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Category:LGBT television episodes

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 11:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT television episodes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I think it's just way too broad and possibly hard to define. I can think of like, 50 Buffy episodes and a million Simpsons/South Park/Drawn Together/Family Guy/American Dad! ones. Not really useful for LGBT studies, either. ~ZytheTalk to me! 18:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • The list was designed to capture very special episode-type episodes. The category is for episodes which focus on LGBT themes but not limited to VSEs. Otto4711 13:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there anything LGBT-related that you don't think is trivia? Seems like every time an LGBT topic is put up for discussion and you weigh in on it, you want it deleted as trivia. Otto4711 13:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it's not integral to the plot, then it's trivial. It's not homophobia, I'm LGBT myself - it's just getting rid of a useless category.~ZytheTalk to me! 14:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • But the sexuality issue being integral to the plot of the episode is rather the bloody point, isn't it? The category is not for episodes that happen to have gay folks in them. It's for episodes that have gay people or themes as the focus of the ep. So to use a concrete example, not every episode of Friends where Ross's ex-wife appears would be included but the episode of Friends where Ross's ex-wife marries her female partner would be. The former would be trivial, but should never be included in the first place. Tis category isn't like a category for, say, episodes about having two dates for the big dance or whatever other staple of sitcom plotting you can think of. This is for those exceedingly rare episodes with deal with sexuality issues as a central theme. Perhaps at some point in the future such episodes will be so commonplace that a category wouldn't be needed. For now such eps are rare enough that an encyclopedic gathering of them is justifiable. Otto4711 14:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • But then justifying inclusion becomes POV! An article on a website other than Wikipedia should attempt this as an essay, by all means. ~ZytheTalk to me! 23:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh good christ, are Wikipedians not to be trusted to exercise common sense and halfway decent judgment? Do you think we're all so hopelessly mired in our points of view that we can't figure out when an episode focuses on queer content and when it doesn't? Aren't there enough categories that have actual problems to worry about before we start going after the ones that don't? Otto4711 02:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • To answer Otto's question - certainly. LGBT literature, for instance, is an art genre. LGBT rights movements are important to both history and human rights. And there are several others. What I object to here is cat'ing episodes by theme; I object equally to any such theme, not just LGBT. For instance, given any soap, we could categorize the episodes as Category:Episodes where two people fall in love, Category:Episodes where the main character fights someone and Category:Episodes featuring a long-lost relative. I do not believe that is useful. >Radiant< 12:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • With all due respect, the notion that categorizing a subject matter that has been rare almost to the point of non-existence throughout the history of television is "systemic bias" is nonsense. Otto4711 19:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • So presumably you can list many other types of "rare almost to the point of non-existence" subject matter that also have television episode categories? Or even common types of subject matter that also have television episode categories? Wimstead 21:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Makes no difference if I can or can't. Whether some other subject matter can be categorized has no bearing on whether this one can or should be. Otto4711 22:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then please, create Category:Black people television episodes. ~ZytheTalk to me! 22:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • No. I'm not interested in doing the necessary research. And that still has no bearing on the properness of this category. Otto4711 13:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Muslim Islamic scholars

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 10:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Muslim Islamic scholars to Category:Muslim scholars of Islam
I believe the closing admin overlooked it, however, I might just be stupid. If I'm missing something obvious, the category will be moved before this CfR closes anyway and it'll be moot. — coelacan talk — 05:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video games that feature celebrity likenesses

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 10:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games that feature celebrity likenesses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Category:Capitals of subnational entities and subcategory

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 10:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Military conflicts and operations by country

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The result of the debate was rename all. the wub "?!" 01:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the failure of the previous nomination to standardize the naming of these categories, WP:MILHIST has come up with a new proposed naming scheme—"X involving Y"—that resolves the three major issues:

  1. Creating a consistent naming scheme across all such categories.
  2. Making more explicit the fact that the categories are set up by participants, not by location (see the FAQ concerning this).
  3. Resolve the concern raised in the previous nomination that the "X of Y" terminology could overlap with the normal naming of particular events (in other words, that readers might expect "Siege of France" to be a particular event).

Hence, we propose that all the sub-categories classifying military conflicts and operations by country be renamed to this new form. Kirill Lokshin 05:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional bisexuals

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Timrollpickering 11:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional bisexuals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Upmerge. As much as I applaud the creation of this category, I believe the distinction between bi and gay is not always possible to be clear. Of the three articles in the category at present, Marissa Cooper and Alex Kelly are indisputable - but perhaps some may see Stewie Griffin as something other than bisexual. Even with confirmation, the line is blurred, shifts, and is hard to objectively define beyond the LGB(T) parent. This is why I think this category should be upmerged as an unnecessary subcategory. If the consensus is that this category is kept, then someone should also create "fictional lesbians" and "fictional gay men" as subcategories. Perhaps "Bisexuality in fiction" or "List of fictional bisexuals" would suit this better. ~ZytheTalk to me! 00:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Placing people in both a "bisexual people" and a "gay people" or "lesbian people" cat is incorrect as the cats are exclusionary. One can't be both gay and bisexual. Otto4711 20:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't want to get in an argument over this, but to some people - you definitely can. Another reason why this category is bad - different people hold different interpretations of bisexuality - two simultaneous full sexualities, a blend, back and forth... yeah...~ZytheTalk to me! 22:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is categorising somebody by saying they're either lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender POV? ~ZytheTalk to me! 19:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Examples of characters whose bisexuality may be disputed:
Sometimes, a character may also appear exclusively hetero- or homosexual but not be. That's why subcategorising LGBT with fictional characters can be problematic. Characters such as the Brokeback Mountain boys would require definite citation. ~ZytheTalk to me! 01:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • When they're over-detailed, they don't work as categories. This category doesn't work, because it weakens "fictional LGBT categories" and behaviour is not always conclusive of definite orientation. ~ZytheTalk to me! 17:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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