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Category:Canadian international soccer players to Category:Canadian men's international soccer players

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 09:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity and for consistency with Category:Canadian women's international soccer players and Category:United States men's international soccer players. --Usgnus 23:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Computer and video games with special editions to Category:Computer and video games with limited editions

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertGtalk 10:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency with List of computer and video game collector and limited editions, its main article. Pikawil 23:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Undefeated national football teams

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Time-based categories are generally a bad idea. This one contains only three members, growth is unlikely, shrinkage nearly certain. -- ProveIt (talk)
Delete per nom. Handle it as a single line in each article. --Dhartung | Talk 05:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Chicheley 02:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tombstone to Category:Images of tombstones

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It contains images of tombstones. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Antbirds

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The result of the debate was category redirect Tim! 09:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:Thamnophilidae. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wheatears

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The result of the debate was category redirect Tim! 09:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:Oenanthe, with the other Wheatears. What's wrong with the common name? -- ProveIt (talk)
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Category:Restaurateurs

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The result of the debate was ((category redirect)) the wrong one to the correct one. So Category:Restauranteurs will redirect to Category:Restaurateurs; I am trusting Dhartung that "Restaurateurs" is correct! --RobertGtalk 09:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Restauranteurs. Spelling counts. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Romanian-Australians

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The result of the debate was category redirect Tim! 09:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:Romanian Australians. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's empty, so why redirect? ~ trialsanderrors 01:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Colombian men

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The result of the debate was delete Tim! 09:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We don't usually categorize by gender -- ProveIt (talk) 21:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Left and Right

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The result of the debate was keep Tim! 09:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous, redundant and POV/OR categorization. The Category:Right-wing organizations in the United States for example, includes the American Nazi Party. These meaningless categories do nothing but cause confusion and overgeneralization. Therefore, Delete. Move articles up in hierarchy or into ideological categories. Intangible 21:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Agreed, ill-defined category set, being utilized in a POV manner for guilt by association. However, a new set of better defined categories to class these organizations is probably necessary. --tjstrf 21:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mexican colonels

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There was only one article in this. I took it out because the article made no reference to a military career, and found that I had rendered it empty. I believe the preference is not to categorise by rank below general, so this can go. Chicheley 18:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wildlife of North Carolina

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Biota of North Carolina Tim! 10:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Fauna of North Carolina. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting from July 9, please help find a consensus. Conscious 18:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose if there's consensus we can merge. However, I feel that the merge should be more inclusive; I intend to expand some of my articles into the all-inclusive, full-fledged documentation of the flora and fauna in North Carolina. Perhaps best is to merge everything into Category:Ecology of North Carolina. Remarks? Nimur 03:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You will note that below there is a debate about Flora and Fauna by subdivision or state of the U.S. this is a bigger issue that I don't hope to be able to take on... hopefully someone who knows what they are doing will get it right. gren グレン 18:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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People by language

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The result of the debate was No consensus to delete: Welsh speaking people, delete others. Tim! 10:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

votes summary:

delete:

keep:

Category:People by language
Category:English speakers
Category:French speakers
Category:Spanish speakers
Category:German speakers
Category:Italian speakers
Category:Portuguese speakers
Category:Dutch speakers
Category:Catalan speakers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Danish speakers
Category:Latin speakers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Welsh-speaking people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)


See Minority language for guidance. Deb 21:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fenerbahce players to Category:Fenerbahce footballers

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The result of the debate was relist on July 29 Tim! 09:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also wouldn't object to a change to Category:Fenerbahçe footballers. Rationale: Fenerbahçe have merged their basketball operations with the former Ülkerspor club, and the merged team is now known as Fenerbahçe Ülkerspor. Since there's now the possibility that "Fenerbahçe players" can refer to more than one sport, it should be changed to "Fenerbahçe footballers". There's precedent for this; other clubs with multiple sports (e.g. FC Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSV Eindhoven) use "footballers" for their football player categories. — Dale Arnett 17:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Automotive companies to Category:Motor vehicle industry

(Or in the alternative, to Category:Motor vehicle companies)
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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Motor vehicle companies Tim! 09:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This recent CFR moved the "Automobile manufacturers" "Motor vehicle manufacturers", but left the parent category unchanged. I think the name makes the intended distinction (between actual vehicle assembly, and the industry in general including parts and supply chain) far from clear, and some consistency about the whole "automobile" business would be nice. (Existing usage seems to be far from consistent about whether "automobile" includes vans and trucks, not to mention it largely being a North Americanism.) Rename category and per-country descendants. Alai 17:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians in the NFL to Category:Wikipedians in the National Forensic League

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 09:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to expand misleading abbreviation. - EurekaLott 17:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People On Tru Calling to Category:Tru Calling actors

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertGtalk 09:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match other members of Category:Actors by series. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Decatur, Alabama

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The result of the debate was ((category redirect)) Category:Decaturites to Category:People from Decatur, Alabama. --RobertGtalk 09:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:Decaturites. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alligators

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The result of the debate was relisted on July 29 Tim! 09:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another joke category populated by a joke userbox. Delete. - EurekaLott 16:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Youth Groups in Ireland

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The result of the debate was merge Tim! 09:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Youth organisations of Ireland, a member of Category:Youth organizations by country. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tragedy

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Surprisngly this is an opera cat - where it is too broad to be useful - not a drama cat where it might be useful. - Kleinzach 16:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Spiders

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The result of the debate was keep and ((category redirect)) Category:Araneae to it. --RobertGtalk 09:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as redirect to Category:Araneae, or Reverse merge to restore. How many people know latin plurals? -- ProveIt (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Niagara Falls, Ontario buildings to Category:Buildings and structures in Niagara Falls

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The result of the debate was merge/split per nom. Tim! 08:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to have two identical categories such as this. I'm listing this as a merger but what really should be done is to merge and split into Category:Buildings and structures in Niagara Falls, Ontario and Category:Buildings and structures in Niagara Falls, New York. BoojiBoy 15:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chairmen of Chelsea F.C. to Category:Chelsea F.C. chairmen and investors

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 08:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only by renaming this to match the parent category can the current club owner Roman Abramovich, who doesn't even sit on the board, and previous major investor Matthew Harding be included. Calsicol 15:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tragic melodrama and Category:Historic drama

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as part of clearout of superfluous unused opera cats. - Kleinzach 14:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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American rosh yeshivas, Israeli rosh yeshivas, European rosh yeshivas

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The result of the debate was merge all Tim! 08:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Rabbi Yitzchok Hutner. A man born in Europe, moved to America and died in Israel. So what category? In this case, "American Rosh yeshivas" and "Israeli rosh yeshivas". Why not European?
    Rav Hutner was not a rosh yeshiva in Europe. Only in America and Israel. IZAK 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Rabbi Yosef Shlomo Kahaneman. Born in deepest Europe in Kuhl, Lithuania. Spent 54 years - most of his life, in Europe, then moved to Israel where he reestablished his institutions. What category? Only "Israeli Rosh yeshivas". Why not European?
    So put that in. IZAK 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Rabbi Elazar Shach. Again, a man with impeccable European roots. Born in Wabolnick/Vabalninkas, a rural village in northern Lithuania. Immigrated to Israel at around 42 years of age. True, he lived for another 61 years at least - but surely his European birth, ancestry and long sojourn deserve to be categorised as such! Why only "Israeli rosh yeshivas"?
    Again, put that in, but he was not famous for being a rosh yeshiva in Europe. IZAK 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Rabbi Michel Dorfman. European-born, in 1911. Immigrated to Israel in 1970. What category? Only "Israeli Rosh yeshivas". This for a man who's lived the vast majority of his life outside of Israel.
    Was he a rosh yeshiva in Europe? IZAK 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Rabbi Aharon Kotler. Lived in Europe then moved to the USA. Due to the present inefficient system, he must perforce be listed in two categories: "European rosh yeshivas" and "American rosh yeshivas". What a needless duplication.
    What's wrong with that? They are two different continents. IZAK 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Rabbi Chaim Michael Dov Weissmandl. This just takes the cake. Born in 1903 - in Debreczen, Hungary - so definately European. Came to America around 1945 and died in 1957. By my reckoning, that's 12 years in the US and 42 years out. Hmmmmmmmm... so that's about 2/7 of Rabbi Weissmanl's life spent in the US and 5/7 in Europe. What category? "American Rosh yeshivas"!
    Again, if you are sure he was indeed a rosh yeshiva in Europe, put it in. IZAK 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me, or this system desperately needs an overhaul? The list above is but a fraction of the real number of cases. Just take a look at Category:American rosh yeshivas, Category:Israeli rosh yeshivas and Category:European rosh yeshivas and see for yourself how many people are in more than one category.

Nesher: The "system" is called categorization and it should also strive for accuracy. There are thousands of Wikipedia categories by country and region. This is relatively very minor and not confusing. IZAK 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With most of the Rosh yeshivas in more than one Rosh yeshivas category, what real purpose does it serve to continue lumping them together based on such weak factors? I would like to avoid the monotonous and ever-reappearing categories and categorise these individuals in just one effective location: Category:Rosh yeshivas. Many thanks, Nesher 14:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Underweight people

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

People should be defined by what they do, not be personal characteristics that have little to do with their encyclopedia achievements. Hawkestone 12:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It's really not that necessary, and does not provide any encyclopedic value. Is someone going to follow this category cloesly, and remove names as people gain weight? I don't think so, this is not a needed category. --Nehrams2020 17:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Children's TV characters to Category:Children's television characters

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The result of the debate was relisted on July 29 Tim! 08:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remove abbreviation as per usual. Hawkestone 12:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mafiosi by origin

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Gangsters by origin Tim! 08:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category should be renamed into Criminals by origin. British, Indian, Serbian or Vietnamese mobsters are not mafiosi and neither are Triad members. One is a mafioso when one belongs to the Sicilian Mafia or the American Cosa Nostra. -- Mafia Expert 11:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hawkestone 12:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I did not see Category:Criminals by nationality. Looking at all the different categories about criminals, mafiosi, criminal organisations etc. there is really an overload of categories on these subjects. I suggest that we should try to come up with a few clear categories and stick to that. -- Mafia Expert 12:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we need yet another category in the crime section of Wikipida. There are already far too much categories. They should be restructured. I repeat: we should try to come up with a few clear categories and stick to those. -- Mafia Expert 14:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fardella crime family

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category refers to an article Fardella crime family that has been deleted as a hoax. -- Mafia Expert 08:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People noted for being in rare medical or psychological categories

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:People by medical or psychological condition. Tim! 08:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inherently pov. What is "rare" considered to be here? Also, this seems to be almost random in structure. For example, it contains the blind, the mute, the autistic, and the selectively mute, but for some reason, does not contain the deaf. Any possible function held by this category could be much more clearly expressed by 2 or 3 new ones that aren't vast illogical groupings of everything remotely interesting. Thanks go out to user:Quistnix, who's similarly nominated category contained this one, making me aware of it. tjstrf 08:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. ISTR a category deletion for HIV/AIDS, on the grounds that this was best handled in lists, leading to a deletion of a larger group of categories. I may be wrong. --Dhartung | Talk 05:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Baseball coaches to Category:Major League Baseball coaches

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The result of the debate was keep Tim! 08:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the coaches listed are MLB coaches, and the category will be less broad. "Baseball coaches" could be anyone from minor league coaches to little league coaches. --*kate speak 06:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then what would be in the Category:Baseball coaches other than subcats? --*kate speak 07:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Many categories only contain subcategories, though this one could contain an article about baseball coach and a list of baseball coaches.
Yea, the more that I think about it, you're right.
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Category:Jewish terrorists

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The result of the debate was delete Tim! 08:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as malicious POV fork --DLandTALK 03:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A closer reading of the arbitration case reveals that it is completed, it just isn't announced on the evidence page for some reason. Someone should do that. --tjstrf 03:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You refer to Category:Terrorists by nationality but Judaism in not a nation. If you are seeking consistency, the correct category has to be "Israeli terrorists". --Gabi S. 13:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I considered that, but Jewish terrorists were most active before Israel existed. Hawkestone 18:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, the category is currently empty. That kind of implies that there are none. If it stays that way, then we need to delete this category as not yet having any members. --M@rēino 19:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Vulnerability to manipulation by biased interest groups??? This is a two-edged sword, as you probably know if you look at the Nakba family of articles. Instead of slugging mud, try to achieve a consistent NPOV and make Wikipedia a better site to look at. --Gabi S. 06:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lyric drama

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertGtalk 09:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as part of clearout of vague, undefined surplus opera cats. - Kleinzach 01:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Derivative sample songs and Category:Sampled songs

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The result of the debate was delete (is listified at List of sampled songs). --RobertGtalk 09:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Highly unmaintainable, to the nth degree. Hundreds of thousands of songs have sampled others, including the majority of all hip hop songs. --FuriousFreddy 00:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea. --Gabi S. 17:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bad idea. Highly unmaintainable and guaranteed to be bloated. Far too vague. --FuriousFreddy 04:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Owen Sound Platers

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The result of the debate was delete Tim! 08:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Team has been renamed and the current edition doesn't have a category. If anything this could be renamed to Owen Sound Attack but I think a deletion is a better idea as there are very few relevant articles to be categorized. BoojiBoy 00:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fellows of the AAAS to Category:Fellows of the American Association for the Advancement of Science

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertGtalk 09:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Expand the abbreviation so that every reader will be able to tell what the category is about. Chicheley 00:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ontario Hockey Association coaches to Category:Ontario Hockey League coaches

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The result of the debate was merge Tim! 08:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate category. The OHA was renamed to the OHL in 1980 but it's the same league, and distinguishing serves no useful purpose (and would lead to overcategorization, as nothing else changed but the name). All other related articles are already in Category:Ontario Hockey League. BoojiBoy 00:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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