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Category:Elemental superheroes

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Elemental superheroes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Near recreation of Category:Fictional elementals. Not objectively definable, not useful for categorisation or for real world analysis, and certainly too broad. ~ZytheTalk to me! 22:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dinosaurs of Eastern North America

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dinosaurs of Eastern North America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - Wikiproject:Dinosaurs has tried to avoid geographic divisions finer than continent because of the movement of landmasses during and since the Mesozoic. In this case, the supporting text is incorrect in that it is not actually difficult to track down information about dinosaurs from eastern North America (the info is just poor because most such dinosaurs are based on poor remains). Also, although the category mentions the Western Interior Seaway that split the continent in the Cretaceous, half of the dinosaurs in the category are from the Jurassic, when there wasn't a geographic division in the continent. It may be better to include information about the Cretaceous split in the Seaway article. J. Spencer 19:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Heterodontosaurs

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The result of the debate was delete per convincing arguments by Firsfron. the wub "?!" 09:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Heterodontosaurs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - This category is for a very small group of dinosaurs and has little growth potential; good-faith but tiny category. J. Spencer 18:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Question: What do you mean about the inconsistency? They had been listed solely under Category:Ornithischia up until a couple of weeks ago (and still are, actually). J. Spencer 20:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we do have Heterodontosauridae, which is a Good Article, and includes the names. J. Spencer 04:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fabrosaurs

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fabrosaurs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - This category is based on a poorly-defined group of dinosaurs that is no longer recognized as a natural group, is small and with little chance for growth, and, if fully-utilized, would be largely redundant with Category:Ornithischians J. Spencer 18:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A list of valid Fabrosaurs would be:
  1. Fabrosaurus (if it is not actually Lesothosaurus).
Gongbusaurus and Agilisaurus have been removed from the Fabrosauridae by several studies (references available in Gongbusaurus and Agilisaurus). One item does not warrant a list, and the material is already covered in Fabrosauridae. Firsfron of Ronchester 21:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Georgia category

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The result of the debate was rename all. the wub "?!" 11:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

rename --Won3161 17:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For completeness, here are the remainer of "from/of/in Georgia" cats that turned up in my search. They are all, I think, unambiguous, and may or may not be worth renaming for consistancy. I have not tagged any of these cats.
About the country:
About the U.S. state:
  • Category:Interstate Highways in Georgia
  • Category:Amtrak stations in Georgia
  • Category:Lieutenant Governors of Georgia
  • Category:Governors of Georgia
  • Category:Georgia state courts
  • Category:Georgia state court judges
  • Category:Georgia Civil War regiments
  • Category:Georgia State Senators
  • Category:Georgia militiamen in the American Revolution
  • Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives from Georgia
  • Category:United States Senators from Georgia
×Meegs 02:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, renaming them all is a good idea so that they don't act as models for future cats. Tagging them all isn't absolutely necessary, but I'll do it now anyway. Note, I omitted a few other cats that were even less ambiguous, like "United States Senators from Georgia."×Meegs 02:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's not unambiguous. If an immigrant from Georgia (nation) becomes a senator for New Jersey, they'd properly fit in this category. 70.51.11.204 03:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I agree that it's necessary, but I've added the U.S. House and Senate to the list. ×Meegs 04:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It would be for consistency. If all the subcategories for the country and spelled the same way it will make it easier for readers searching for categories about the country or state and for editors creating categories about them to guess the name of a category they're interested in without even using the category tree (ie just type it directly into the search box). Ideally you want categories within the same scheme to use similar naming conventions as much as possible. Dugwiki 21:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but there might be some exemptions. King of Georgia (country) sounds a bit awkward. Nobody will ever browse through the Georgia categories in search of King of Georgia (U.S. state).--KoberTalk 19:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Louisville religion

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 09:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Louisville religion to Category:Religion in Louisville
Nominator's rationale: Rename, as per Category:religion by city and because Louisville is a place where religion is practiced, not a type or religion. Jamie Mercer 16:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom, to fit the general naming scheme used here. BencherliteTalk 22:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Religion in Birmingham

Category:Christianity in Birmingham

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 09:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Religion in Birmingham to Category:Religion in Birmingham, England
Propose renaming Category:Christianity in Birmingham to Category:Christianity in Birmingham, England
Nominator's rationale: Rename, in line with other Birmingham, England categories, due to the existence of the large city of Birmingham, Alabama. Jamie Mercer 16:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mega64

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mega64 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - unnecessary eponymous category for a TV series. Everything is interlinked through the articles and template. Otto4711 16:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Non-article Cities pages

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The result of the debate was already deleted. Bduke 06:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Non-article Cities pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Category empty, and name inconsistent with others in project (all others are "WikiProject Cities", not just "Cities"). Appropriately named category also now exists. Ebyabe 16:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National parks of Portugal

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The result of the debate was keep. Bduke 05:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:National parks of Portugal to Category:Protected areas of Portugal
Nominator's rationale: There's only one national park in Portugal, so unless a new national park is created in the country (which seems unlikely in the near future), this category shall remain unnecessary with a single occupant. Renaming this category to "protected areas" would allow the many natural parks to be included and thus turn it into a useful category. Húsönd 16:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kongs

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The result of the debate was merge to Category:Donkey Kong characters and Category:Fictional apes. the wub "?!" 11:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest merging Category:Kongs to Category:Donkey Kong characters
Nominator's rationale: Merge - overcategorization as a small category with little or no potential for growth and to a lesser extent as a shared name category. There is no need to split out these four characters based on their names all containing "Kong." Otto4711 15:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:"Related ethnic groups" needing confirmation

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The result of the debate was Keep. Contrary to the nomination, there is some latitude for having maintenance and cleanup cats on article mainspace (cf. Category:Wikipedia infobox cleanup, Category:Wikipedia maintenance). However, if migration of this template-generated category to article talk is to be considered, it should be run with the involvement/consultation of the wikiproject WP:ETHNIC which instituted this (temp) measure; it seems that no-one had provided a notification there that this was under discussion here. Will do so, as if it is to be done will require some further modifications to the project's template banner code. --cjllw ʘ TALK 14:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:"Related ethnic groups" needing confirmation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Speedy Delete WP:SELF.Nkeep12 15:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Taiwanese Dancers

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The result of the debate was rename. Bduke 05:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Taiwanese Dancers to Category:Taiwanese dancers

Reason: to follow Wikipedia's naming (upper/lower case) convention

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Category:Thomas Corker

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The result of the debate was delete. Bduke 05:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Thomas Corker (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, as an eponymous person category. -- Prove It (talk) 14:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Long articles

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The result of the debate was delete. Bduke 05:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Long articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete as suhjective, see also discussion of June 2nd. -- Prove It (talk) 14:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Monumental wastes of human energy

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. "Politically motivated nonsense" is right. ×Meegs 01:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Monumental wastes of human energy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete as vague and suhjective. -- Prove It (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indie Record Stores

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The result of the debate was delete. Bduke 04:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indie Record Stores (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Rather than being populated by category links within the respective articles, this category page is actually being used as the repository for a list filled with redlinks. Metropolitan90 03:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roads in Simcoe County

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The result of the debate was no consensus. the wub "?!" 11:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Roads in Simcoe County (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Suggest merging Category:Roads in Simcoe County with List of Simcoe County Roads & Category:Ontario provincial highways

Nominator's rationale: This Catagory seems redundant. This seems to be the only County (within the province) to have a catagory devoted to listing the roads and highways within it. I propose to move the few articles (ahem, 10) in this catagory to a seemingly more appropriate location. Please note - this Article is a reverse view of the Article nominated in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_1#Category:Highways_in_Simcoe_County. Both this and the previously deleted Article contain BOTH Roads and Highways. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exit2DOS2000 (talkcontribs)

For the record, it isn't the only county/region in Ontario with a roads category; there are also roads cats for Prescott and Russell, Waterloo, Peel, Durham and York. I don't think any of them are needed (they all seem to invite the notion that any road in those counties, even a dinky little residential cul-de-sac with three houses on it, is notable enough for an article), but would request that they all be considered together. Category:Roads in Ontario should be subdivided in some way and should not directly contain all of these articles. Bearcat 00:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
hmmm seems you are correct... I only noticed a few lists (eg. List of Roads in Prescott and Russell County) before, which I do not have any problem with (I endorse the idea of a [[LIST of Roads in <pick your county>]]). My worst fear is, what happens when the point arises that there IS a difference between a 'Cresent', 'Line, 'BackLine'(and their ilk) and a 'Road" ? I am hoping we can head off other categories being created and direct them towards becomming Lists. Would it be acceptable to modify this Nomination to include the removal of all [[:catagory:roads in <pick your county>]] and move listings into [[List of roads in <pick your county>]] or when appropriate Category:Ontario provincial highways ? The List pages may get huge, but at that point they can be broken down by road number, or into alphabetical listings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exit2DOS2000 (talkcontribs)
I'd support that; I don't generally think most county roads actually merit their own articles. Bearcat 01:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that roads by county categories invite articles about residential cul-de-sacs any more than Category:Canadian tennis players encourages articles about nn players. We build categories around the articles that we have, not the other way around. That said, I do agree that counties are probably not the best was to break up the roads by province cats. ×Meegs 11:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong disagree. I agree with what Meegs said: We BUILD categories around articles we have, NOT the other way around, and that, what is the point for merging the category with the list. If we do that for every county or for every other so-called "minor" topics in Wikipedia, then what are categories designed for? We might as well stuff everything into a confusing list. And then, the only thing I DO NOT AGREE with Meegs is that counties are not the best to break up the roads by province cats. If we don't use categories, what shall we use? Local Muncipalities? (Too specific) A general area? (Like Northern Ontario, southern Ontario, etc. -- then the categories would be WAY too big). There is NOTHING wrong with what is done right now.
One more thing. Why would we be merging the category into a category like Ontario provincial highways, when most of the Simcoe County Roads HAS NOTHING to do with provincial highway.  Smcafirst | Chat  at 23:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't get me wrong, roads by county is not that bad, but one problem is that some long roads will end-up in of the cats. I have no strong opinion either way, but an alternative is to have a catchall category for the provence (Category:Roads in Ontario), and subcats only for short roads confined to major cities (e.g. Category:Roads in Hamilton, Ontario, Category:Ottawa roads). ×Meegs 01:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman governors

Category:Roman governors by province

Category:Roman governors by type

Category:Roman proconsuls

Category:Roman propraetors

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated, but merge Category:Roman governors by type to Category:Ancient Roman governors. ×Meegs 09:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Roman governors to Category:Ancient Roman governors
Propose renaming Category:Roman governors by province to Category:Ancient Roman governors by province
Propose renaming Category:Roman governors by type to Category:Ancient Roman governors by type
Propose renaming Category:Roman proconsuls to Category:Ancient Roman proconsuls
Propose renaming Category:Roman propraetors to Category:Ancient Roman propraetors
Nominator's rationale: Rename, for clarity per several precedents. Ravenhurst 01:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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