Disneyworld restaurants
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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 16:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Category:Restaurants in Walt Disney World, overcategorization. -- Prove It (talk) 23:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge as suggested above. --Rtphokie 11:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was speedy delete as re-created content. Songs and albums should never go into an eponymous category.--Mike Selinker 16:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Nas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Speedy delete - as recreated content. Recreated a week after being deleted by an editor who participated in the discussion. If not speediable, then delete as eponymous overcategorization. Coverage of Nas is not so complex as to warrant a category. Articles on his projects are already linked by text, template and album and song categories and what remains is easily interlinked. Otto4711 20:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No, in fact it's much worse. It looks like all you've done is add the contents of Category:Nas songs and Category:Nas albums to this cat unnecessarily. Nas's songs and albums are all linked to Nas through text and a navtemplate. Nas's main article serves as an appropriate navigational hub for articles relating to Nas. Additionally, you recreated the category against the consensus of the community, which is in general not a good thing to do. Otto4711 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Afghan politicians
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- The result of the discussion was: speedy close. The same proposal (by the same nominator) was discussed at CfD only last week, and closed today with a clear "keep": see CfD Sept 17. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Afghan politicians to Category:Politicians of Afghanistan
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, There are many reasons for this renaming. One reason is that Afghan politicians can refer to Afghan politicians in lets say America, and there are several Afghan politicians serving other countries, for example Zalmay Khalilzad. Politicians in Afghanistan or Politicians of Afghanistan would avoid this issue. Also, many of these politicians are not ethnic Afghans (Pashtuns). For example. Rashid Dostum is an Uzbek, Latif Pedram does not call himself Afghan but rather Afghanistan as he is a Tajik. Others are Hazara, Turkmen, etc. Roughly half of these politicians are ethnic Afghans. To avoid this issue the name change to Politicians of Afghanistan is a very simple solution to these problems. Behnam 20:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Checkmate personnel
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The result of the debate was delete. Sam Blacketer 19:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Checkmate personnel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete As per standing precident, we don't catergorize comic book characters by team or organization due to the fluidity of such memberships in that medium. J Greb 19:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Famous cemeteries
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The result of the debate was delete. After Midnight 0001 01:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Famous cemeteries (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: "Famous" is point-of-view. Possessing an article is enough to claim a cemetery's notability. - Dudesleeper · Talk 18:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters who can fly
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The result of the debate was Keep. - jc37 12:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Fictional characters who can fly → Category:Fictional characters who can defy gravity
Category:Marvel Comics characters who can fly
[edit]- Category:Marvel Comics characters who can fly → Category:Marvel Comics characters who can defy gravity
Category:DC Comics characters who can fly
[edit]- Category:DC Comics characters who can fly → Category:DC Comics characters who can defy gravity
Category:Anime and manga characters who can fly
[edit]- Category:Anime and manga characters who can fly → Category:Anime and manga characters who can defy gravity
Category:Flying Pokémon
[edit]- Category:Flying Pokémon → Category:Pokémon who can defy gravity
Nominator's rationale, Rename
[edit]This would seem to clear up confusion on all fiction characters who aren't limited to keeping their feet on the ground because of physical, paranormal, superhuman, technological, and supernatural means. For example, while Casper the Friendly Ghost is categorized in the parent cat., some may argue that ghosts do not fly, claiming that being an ephemeral entity is not the same as flying, and would most certainly go for other ghost-related beings in fiction like genies, or even real-life apparitions, see ghost and orbs. In Bleach anime and manga, the Soul Reapers tend to "air walk" or "air hop", or just stand still in the air, but not necessarily fly like Superman or most Dragon Ball characters. Hellsing`s Alucard does not quite hover like some fiction vampires, he can only defy gravity to an unknown limit. And heroes like Ultraman, Astro Boy or the Gundam Wing`s Mobile Suits fly with only technological support, so I think this rename would explain further why they are categorized here along with these flight-capable beings or entities in the first place. And there are those who levitate themselves or appear to "fly" by use of [advanced] telekinesis, Jean Grey from Marvel Comics and Mewtwo from Pokémon are such examples. If this rename proposal seems unuseful then a separate set of categories should be created to elude these potential discrepancies. Any additional thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thoughts:
- The phrase "defy gravity" is as awkward as "fly" since it doesn't mesh well with mechanical/powered flight, wings or jet propulsion, or flight that isn't flight, the TK examples. In these cases flight happens, but not by ignoring gravity.
- Most of what you've put forward argue for reshuffeling the subs by method rather than medium. ie "...fly by..." ...mechanical means, ...lighter than air, ... TK, ... defying gravity, etc.
- It also argues that the cat should be converted to a list since placement would need some sort of citation. Lacking that it becomes POV and OR. - J Greb 20:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm really, really trying to not have these categories listified since WP:NOT#INFO, and that it risks a complete deletion. Technically, apparitions such as ghosts and vampires (unless in winged form) don't "fly" in the air, though I guess it depends on another person's view. What do you suggest J Greb? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Realistically? Treat it like a fire ant nest: leave it alone unless it's real life-or-death need to tinker with it. Right now we've had had previos CfDs on the entire family of superhuman powers cats with the result of delete some, listify others, and keep the rest. Mostly the debate, IIRC, was brought up on grounds of over catting and overly vague cats. Flight is one that sailed through, like super-strength, telepathy, and shapeshifting. That should have been goo enough and left things like this for debate on the cat's talk page.
All that bringing it back to a CfD, even for renaming, does is open it back up to the same debate that's already been settled. "Flight" is specific enough for the purpose of cat here, discussing the flavor of flight may be something for an article such as Flight in fiction. Such an article would also lend itself to using a few examples of each method. - J Greb 21:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Leave category:Flying Pokémon alone. Flying Pokémon are a type of Pokémon, like category:Electric Pokémon. It does not mean "Pokémon who can fly," at least not necessarily. No opinion on the rest of the nomination.--Mike Selinker 19:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't rename "Defying gravity" sounds overly specific but not well defined. Everybody knows what it means for people or creatures to fly, and there's no need for technical arguments about the definition. —Michael Z. 2007-09-26 03:46 Z
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Category:Political parties in Taiwan (Republic of China)
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The result of the debate was reverse move, there was no consensus to drop "(Republic of China)". Kbdank71 17:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Political parties in Taiwan (Republic of China) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: All the articles have been recategorized to Category:Political parties in Taiwan Jerry 18:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: User:Jerrch emptied the cat, created a parallel Category:Political parties in Taiwan, added as CSD tag on the category. This is not the way to deal with a controversial issue like Taiwanese nationhood. My personal opinion is to merge PRC and ROC parties categories, this is not a differentiation between two countries but two states claiming the (more or less) same area, and could thus be in both cats. Moreover, the two single most notable Chinese parties, CPC and KMT, predates the current divisions between PRC and ROC. Soman 18:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Spanish Letters
[edit]Universities by grant
[edit]Motorsport infobox template categories
[edit]Motor racing venues categories
[edit]Category:Latter Day Saint businesspeople
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The result of the debate was delete. Sam Blacketer 19:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Latter Day Saint businesspeople (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: A non-notable intersection between relgion and other status. I have examined the articles and I cannot identify anything that suggests that LDS businesspeople are unique among businesspeople in any way. Rich Uncle Skeleton (talk) 09:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both religion and ethnicity are irrelevant here, see also discussion of December 8th. -- Prove It (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Commenton my rationale for setting up this category. Some people do want this information, that's why the List of Latter Day Saints was set up. I thought the use of a category was a better approach because the sources are already identified in the articles and it is easier to maintain. It may be helpful for someone writing a report, for example, on a certain businessperson to select one that is of a particular faith. The unique aspects of an LDS lifestyle in business is the subject of the book "The Mormon Way of Doing Business", so there is enough of a connection between the religion and business to warrant this publication. And, even if the preceding information is not compelling enough, what is the harm in having this category? Some may feel the connection irrelevant, others may not. Why not just include it? Alanraywiki 00:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cocktails with tequila or mezcal
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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Category:Cocktails with tequila or mezcal
- Nominator's rationale: This category appears to have been created erroneously. The category has 3 members all of whom are also members of Category:Cocktails with tequila. It doesn't add anything to the sum of knowledge, AFAIK. The problem, though, is that I cannot see how articles are added to cat. Its not listed amongst the normal 'bottom of the article' category lists. It may well be through a template, but I cant see which one. HELP! MurphiaMan 05:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Voice teacher
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The result of the debate was - I moved the text to Voice teacher, but since there are currently two members in the category, I didn't delete the category. Feel free to re-nominate for deletion. - jc37 13:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Convert to article Category:Voice teacher to article Voice teacher
- Nominator's rationale: This category appears to have been created erroneously. The category page consists primarily of text about what a voice teacher is and does, which should be on an article page rather than a category page. There are two articles within the category, which could be recategorized in a new category Category:Voice teachers. Metropolitan90 04:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Convert, rename per nom, although great numbers of professional classical singers do masterclasses etc at some point, & really the new category should be restricted to those, like these two, who made it their main activity after a certain point. Johnbod 13:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Virginia Tech Hokies Athletic Hall of Fame members
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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Virginia Tech Hokies Athletic Hall of Fame members to Category:Virginia Tech Sports Hall of Fame members
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. The official name of the institution is the Virginia Tech Sports Hall of Fame, as noted at VT's official athletics site. Dale Arnett 03:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Rename per nom. - jc37 11:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Nearly every article in these categories is a game, and this conversion would allow these categories to be put into category:Games by company, a la Category:Cheapass Games games. Almost every other article is a person, and I'd argue that this constitutes a kind of "performer by performance" relationship, as it's common for people to jump from company to company. Regardless, if people want these person articles to stay in their categories, it would be easier to move all these categories and then recreate the original names as umbrella categories. Fair warning: I'm fairly biased on this nomination, having worked with several of these companies.--Mike Selinker 14:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: What about the base article on the company itself? Those are generally included in these categories (and definitely are, in the cases I'm familiar with), and are certainly not games. --Rindis 17:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As with category:Albums by artist, the company's name would go in the header. Only (as in the case of Games Workshop) when there are a lot of non-game related articles would there need to be a category that contains the name of the company other than category:Game manufacturers.--Mike Selinker 19:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay. I generally agree with the complaint about people, though Roberts (for AH) and Dunigan and Simonsen (for SPI) are tied up enough in the history of the company as to give me some qualms. --Rindis 19:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The same could be said about any company founders. The rub comes in though that the person and the company are already cross-linked. And the person should, at the least, be mentioned in the articles for any products he or she had a hand in, if not having a biblio for cross-linking. This is the same as with actors, writers, etc. - J Greb 19:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Looking at the cats, and their subs, it's arguable that both the TSR and White Wolf cats should be treated in the same manner as GW since there is a good chunk of articles there that relate to elements and concepts from the games, not just the game products themselves. Other than that, the move from eponymous cats to "Games by ..." cats makes sense. - J Greb 19:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- TSR looks like all games to me, but I can see your point on White Wolf.--Mike Selinker 00:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I was looking at the subs as well, D&D specifically. That sub holds articles dealing with game concepts, game elements, a TV series, publication, websites, and its own subs for more concepts, more elements, novels, and images. - J Greb 00:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I was about to close this, but I want to ask first: is "...Inc. games" correct? - jc37 12:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Music from Leipzig
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- The result of the discussion was: speedily closed because nomination withdrawn, with no votes to delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Music from Leipzig (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, as musicians are usually only categorized by country. Alksub 01:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC) Withdrawn. --Alksub 21:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Awards and decorations of the military of Germany
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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Awards and decorations of the military of Germany to Category:Lists of Knight's Cross recipients
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to match contents. Category also duplicates Category:Military awards and decorations of Germany. Alksub 01:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:LGBT rights in the United States
[edit]Category:Indian pilots
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The result of the debate was merge. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Suggest merging Category:Indian pilots to Category:Indian aviators
- Nominator's rationale: Merge, Duplicate. Alksub 01:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was rename as proposed. Sam Blacketer 19:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Landmines to Category:Land mines
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, For consistency with the article land mine, and with the English dictionary. —Michael Z. 2007-09-23 00:42 Z
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