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Category:American Jewish community activists

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:American Jewish community activists to Category:American Jewish community organizers
Nominator's rationale: Seems to fit better in the category tree that way. We have Category:Community organizers, but not Category:Community activists. Also, will allow for more people, such as Saul Alinsky, who are already in the community organizers category to be added to this category. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 22:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What about the problem that the category doesn't fit into the category tree as is? And I'm not seeing the argument to you appear to be make about community organizers being more invested in the system...when I think community organizing, I think grassroots, not bureaucracy. Considering that the category has only seven pages and that other American Jewish occupational categories with larger amounts of pages have been deleted, it is untenable as is and needs to be redefined. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 17:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Come up with an appropriate new name and I'll support. Renaming it from one bad thing to another bad thing makes no sense. --Dweller (talk) 21:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Football in the Faroe Islands by club

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2C per convention of Category:Association football players by club. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Football in the Faroe Islands by club to Category:Footballers in the Faroe Islands by club
Nominator's rationale: Seemingly mistitled compared to all other categories in Category:Association football players by club. SeveroTC 11:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Motorcycles in The Art of the Motorcycle Exhibition

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Motorcycles in The Art of the Motorcycle Exhibition (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I believe this is overcategorization. Being featured in one particular exhibition is not sufficiently defining for the motorcycles in question to merit a category. The main article The Art of the Motorcycle and especially List of motorcycles in The Art of the Motorcycle exhibition are more appropriate for grouping these motorcycles. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The purpose of this category is to be used in conjunction with categories to be created for the other major collections in the world, including the List of motorcycles in the Smithsonian Institution, Deutsches Zweirad- und NSU-Museum, National Motor Museum, Beaulieu, Motorcycle Hall of Fame list of classic bikes, the National Motorcycle Museum (Anamosa, IA), and the Barber Motorsports Park museum. The thing that categories do that lists do not is show overlap: we are particularly interested in the motorcycle models that overlap in several of these collections, as verifiable independent, expert evidence that they are recognized as historically important.

    The motorcycles most recognized by collection curators are unlike the most popular motorcycling articles, and in fact, if you look at how many redlinks there are on the lists for The Art of the Motorcycle and the National Motor Museum, it's clear that Wikipedia editor interest strays far from what the experts tell us. A key goal in all this is to draw attention to, and correct, Wikipedia's systemic bias in choosing which bikes to make articles about.

    But we also need the list pages because there are so many redlinks, and without the lists you couldn't see the entire collection catalog, and we need the categories to clearly see the overlap between collections at the bottom of the article's page. (It's unfortunate that we can't easily see how many redlinks there are which overlap collections, but that's a technical limitation). Also note that Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates states that redundant lists and categories are synergistic, and not in conflict, and that "...arguing that a Category or List is duplicative of the other in a deletion debate is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided."

    Please read the article The Art of the Motorcycle for extensive detail on how influential this series of exhibitions was in the motorcycling world, and why membership in the catalog is evidence of the motorcycle's historical importance. --Dbratland (talk) 02:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. This category violates WP:OC#OVERLAPPING which states "If two or more categories have a large overlap (e.g. because many athletes participate in multiple all-star games, and religious leadership does not radically change from year to year), it is generally better to merge the subjects to a single category, and create lists to detail the multiple instances." Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with a single category of motorcycles that have been in any collection is that it fails to highlight those that have been in multiple collections, treating those that happened to be chosen once as no different than examples which have been selected again and again. And how, exactly, is this like 1971 National League All-Stars or 1852 religious leaders mentioned in WP:OC#OVERLAPPING? The exhibition was a unique, exclusive event, not a calendar year. --Dbratland (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This was a landmark exhibition in the world of motorcycles. Proposing that this category be deleted is as ridiculous as proposing that Category:Paintings of the Louvre be deleted because it is also covered in List of works in the Louvre and Musée du Louvre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biker Biker (talk • contribs) 07:17, 3 April 2011
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Category:Boeing Charleston Factory

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Boeing Charleston Factory (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category includes five articles. One is its main article. The other four probably shouldn't be in the category. Delete. - Eureka Lott 01:44, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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