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German history books

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Dana boomer (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:German history books into Category:History books about Germany
Nominator's rationale: The category “History books about Germany” is a later created category but is more descriptive, ie it is for books about German history but not (say) to include German (history) books about the history of France or the Middle East. If agreed, I would also propose the merging of the other seven countries in Category:History books by country. PS: should the category for Germany be a subcategory of both Category:History of Germany and Category:Historigraphy of Germany; ref the category Category:Indian history books? PS: most of the country subcategories of Category:Works about countries do not have a link to a category for the particular country as they should. Exceptions include China (to main country category) and the United Kingdom (to British culture subcategory); which option is preferred? Hugo999 (talk) 23:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Robot

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The result of the discussion was: administrative close: deleted by another admin per G7. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Robot is a newly created near-duplicate of Category:Robotics. Creator has also been busy moving articles from Robotics to Robot. We don't need this and the singular name is against WP:MOS. We already have Category:Robots too, for individually notable robots. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Metal Highway Bridges of Fulton County Multiple Property Submission

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The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Metal Highway Bridges of Fulton County Multiple Property Submission to Category:Bridges in Fulton County, Illinois
Nominator's rationale: Merge. These bridges are not notable for being in the MPS. Upmerge in case any are not currently listed in the county category. Navigation is be better addressed in the main article, Metal Highway Bridges of Fulton County Thematic Resources. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Iowa MPS, part 1

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Dana boomer (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Houses of Mississippi River Men Thematic Resource (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Guttenberg, Iowa MPS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Advent & Development of Railroads in Iowa MPS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Architectural Legacy of Proudfoot & Bird in Iowa MPS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Public Schools for Iowa: Growth and Change MPS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:PWA-Era County Courthouses of IA MPS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This nomination is for a collection of TRs and MPSs that are small and some larger ones. In the end, previous discussions have failed to establish that being in a TR or an MPS is defining for the property. The buildings are notable on their own and not from being in the broader resource. When the TR or MPS is notable on it's own, it has an article that provides better navigation for the related articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Words coined in the 21st century

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to first set of proposed names.. Dana boomer (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Words coined in the 21st century to Category:21st-century neologisms
Propose renaming Category:Words coined in the 20th century to Category:20th-century neologisms
Propose renaming Category:Words coined in the 19th century to Category:19th-century neologisms
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is not simply words, it is words and phrases which are more correctly neologisms. Another option would be Category:Neologisms introduced in the 21st century which might more correctly identify the purpose and would better identify this as a part of the introductions category tree. In any case, this change would need to be applied to the related categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Minneapolis – Saint Paul

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Minneapolis – Saint Paul to Category:Minneapolis–Saint Paul
Nominator's rationale: (including some subcategories, which either use a endash with spaces or a simple hyphen) Per main article and MOS. The Evil IP address (talk) 17:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Works "on" categories

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Works on literature to Category:Works about literature
Propose renaming Category:Books on Dacia to Category:Books about Dacia
Propose renaming Category:Books on historiography to Category:Books about historiography (or Category:Historiography books)
Propose renaming Category:Essays on anarchism to Category:Essays about anarchism
Propose renaming Category:Essays on music to Category:Essays about music
Propose renaming Category:Essays on poetry to Category:Essays about poetry
Propose renaming Category:Essays on literature to Category:Essays about literature
Nominator's rationale: There are no other "Works on" categories. The wide variety of subjects in here suggests the standard "(Formats) about (X)" should be used instead.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree As creator of Category:Essays on anarchism, I see no problem in this. That seems a simple conversion. --Cast (talk) 16:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Journalism-themed television series

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Journalism-themed television series to Category:Television series about journalism
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-themed" works categories. The emerging standard in Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)." This is a subcategory of Category:Works about journalism.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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(X)-related works

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The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Death-related art to Category:Death in art in line with sibling categories within Category:Art by subject. Rename all others as nominated following the "Foo about bar" form. If any works deal with a subject in a non-defining way, they should not be categorised by it. If the coverage of a subject in various works is non-defining but nevertheless notable, then the way to incorporate it in the encyclopedia is instead to create a list or a fuller descriptive article. – Fayenatic (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A global nomination for multiple types of (something)-related works. Our primary categorization scheme in Category:Works by topic is "(Type of work)s about (topic)". The following subnominations are broken out by topic, in case people want to debate specifics of the category names.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Death-related art[edit]
Propose renaming Category:Death-related art to Category:Works about death (or Category:Art about death if contents are streamlined)
Propose renaming Category:Christian death-related art to Category:Christian art about death
Propose renaming Category:Paintings on the theme of death to Category:Paintings about death
Nominator's rationale: The first category is more properly a "Works" category, because it includes paintings, films, and songs. Most categories of Category:Art by subject are about visual art. The second and third nominations are designed to bring them into the "Works about" format.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(X)-related songs[edit]
Propose renaming Category:School-related songs to Category:Songs about school
Propose renaming Category:Cold War-related songs to Category:Songs about the Cold War
Nominator's rationale: Mike Selinker (talk) 15:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Race-related works[edit]
Propose renaming Category:Race-related films to Category:Films about race
Propose renaming Category:Race-related books to Category:Books about race
Propose renaming Category:Race-related plays to Category:Plays about race
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)." I newly created Category:Works about race to hold these.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cancer-related works[edit]
Propose renaming Category:Cancer-related films to Category:Films about cancer
Propose renaming Category:Cancer-related books to Category:Books about cancer
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)." These are subcategories of Category:Works about cancer.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Drug-related works[edit]
Propose renaming Category:Drug-related works to Category:Works about drugs
Propose renaming Category:Drug-related video games to Category:Video games about drugs
Propose renaming Category:Drug-related songs to Category:Songs about drugs
Propose renaming Category:Drug-related poetry to Category:Poetry about drugs
Propose renaming Category:Drug-related literature to Category:Literature about drugs
Propose renaming Category:Drug-related films to Category:Films about drugs
Propose renaming Category:Cannabis-related films to Category:Films about cannabis
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite sure what you mean. Being "foo-related" does not necessarily mean it is the main, defining topic. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is what we're trying to make clear. Categories should be about things that are defining. If a film is about cannabis, then it's worth categorizing. But if it only has cannabis as a tangential theme, we have no reason to categorize it in relationship to cannabis. The proposed change will set a strong standard for inclusion, and those that don't meet it will likely be removed. That's what categories are about.--Mike Selinker (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are incorrect. Articles are categorized according to multiple topics, not just the main topic. Deletionism is not a policy of Wikipedia. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I see that I'm not going to convince you. Hopefully others will weigh in.--Mike Selinker (talk) 01:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cannabis is a defining characteristic of nearly all the movies listed in the category. So the category applies according to WP:DEFINING. Cannabis is not a trivial characteristic of nearly all the movies listed in the category. WP:OC#TRIVIA: "Avoid categorizing topics by characteristics that are wholly peripheral to the topic's notability." Most articles have multiple defining characteristics. This is what you are not acknowledging. "About cannabis" implies that cannabis is the main topic of the film. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That is not an argument based on Wikipedia guidelines. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Adoption-related works[edit]
Propose renaming Category:Adoption-related works to Category:Works about adoption
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."-- Mike Selinker (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. Many topics are approached in a roundabout way, through simile, metaphor, science fiction, etc.. Secondary topics are important for categories. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Temples dedicated to Lord Jagannath

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Temples dedicated to Lord Jagannath to Category:Temples dedicated to Jagannath
Nominator's rationale: Removal of honorific. Redtigerxyz Talk 13:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Compositions by Czech composers

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The result of the discussion was: merge.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Compositions by Czech composers to Category:Works by Czech people
Nominator's rationale: Singular case; I can't find any other category "Composions by fooian composers"; on the other hand, Category:Works by nationality is the container of many categories "Compositions by person". See also: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 October 11#Category:Operas by Czech composers. Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I suggest that creating such categories is fraught with problems of nationalistic and anachronistic categorisation, and as there is no easy way to reference category membership, they will invite controversial edits. For a start: Benatzky? Handel?, Mahler? Mozart? --Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, this category is entirely analagous to many others -- for example, Category:Belgian novels by author‎, or Category:Films by Japanese directors. The only difference is that those category trees are further along in their development.
And lastly, the suggestion that categories like this are inherently problematic due to alleged issues regarding nationality is pretty silly. To begin with, that argument (if it were valid) would apply equally to the proposed upmerge target, Category:Works by Czech people -- and all of its counterparts. But to be very clear: it simply isn't an issue. Simply put, all of the composers whose works are included herein are already categorized by their nationality. This is also true for the examples offered by the nominator, some of whom have been categorized under more than one nationality, when that has been deemed appropriate. Ergo, in a Compositions by nationality of composer scheme their compositions would simply be categorized in accord with those nationalities. Cgingold (talk) 00:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • A difference is that categorising a article about a person by the nationality of the person will follow from the text within the article (and can be challenged at article level). Putting Category:Works by J. R. R. Tolkien into Category:Works by English people includes an assertion that JRRT is English, which doesn't follow from the category itself and won't show up on the JRRT watchlist. I would not myself support the creation of any of these 'boos by fooians' schemes and am certainly opposed to any extension of them. (Neither am I keen on putting compositions into composer ('people') categories.) Occuli (talk) 09:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – There is obviously great reluctance (or apathy) to categorise compositions by nationality: the tree under Category:Works by nationality is spectactularly bereft of "compositions" (e.g. zero Italians and Russians, 4 Germans, one of them Handel). This indicates to me that a comprehensive categorisation scheme of compositions by nationality is not going to be established any time soon. Even the opera of the aforementioned Pavel Haas doesn't appear anywhere in that tree. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]



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Category:Stations with enamel panels

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Railway stations with vitreous enamel panels. There seems to be very little confidence in this category, and I wouldn't be surprised if it failed its next appearance here.--Mike Selinker (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Stations with enamel panels to Category:Railway stations with enamel panels
Nominator's rationale: Per parent category, Category:Railway stations. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Giedraičiai

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 01:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Giedraičiai to Category:Giedraitis family
Nominator's rationale: Using the conventions of the family categories and the head article Giedraitis family.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 02:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Golitsyns

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 01:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Golitsyns to Category:Galitzine family
Nominator's rationale: Using the conventions of family categories, and the spelling at the head article Galitzine.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 02:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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