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Category:Years in Indian association football navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Football is the official name of the sport in India. Association football is never used in India to describe the sport and soccer is only used by a select bunch but a very, very small minority. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you want a global change on wikipedia to "association football" then say this on WP:Football, otherwise give a judgement here based on the current standards in place. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 16:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs about Candy

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:34, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Songs about Candy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    . Speedied to Category:Songs about candy
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This is a bunch of songs that mention candy in the title, that doesn't make it "about candy" In fact those where there is a comment about what the song is about makes it clear the songs are about something else, for example, Lollipop (Mika song) says Mika wrote the song as a message to his younger sister, warning her not to have sex too soon as it would "mean something very different to guys than it would to her. Candy Shop says, the chemistry between 50 Cent and Olivia "is almost as explicit as the lyrics ... the bass line is made for grinding to. For Candy (Cameo song) the article says nothing about the subject matter, but part of the lyrics are, (It's like candy)/Ooh, vanilla! Oh, chocolate!/You look real nice, wrapped up tight/(You're so tender). Yeah sure, does anybody want to sit on my candy stick? Richhoncho (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Decatur, Tennessee

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small town with only one entry. ...William 17:04, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hispanic and Latino American child actors

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to both parents. We don't need to have this last-rung category to finely define child actors by ethnicity. See related discussion here. A simple category intersection can give the same information. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think we should compare our differing understandings of what "bottom-rung" means, OWK. It occurs to me that the issue is perhaps more clearly seen in the other CFD, because I purposely refrained from creating sub-categories by gender for Category:Hispanic and Latino American child actors, as those would have been **true** "bottom-rung" categories. It also occurs to me to point out that, in both cases I am also factoring in the current concensus on creating gendered categories for actors, which has not yet been fully implemented in all branches of that category tree.
As I explained in the other discussion, Category:African-American child actors does not constitute a "bottom-rung" category, because it's not, in fact, the "bottom-rung". Category:African-American child actresses, on the other hand -- along with its missing counterpart, Category:African-American male child actors -- ARE/would be "bottom-rung" categories, because they entail a further intersection by gender -- and that is why I support upmerging it as proposed. Please explain where you see things differently than what I've laid out here. (PS - Thanks for the CFD notification. It's a shame that some editors dispense with that.) Cgingold (talk) 09:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No thanks needed - twinkle does it for me, so I can't really take credit... This category (and the African-American ones) are bottom rung because they slice Category:American child actors by ethnicity, and there are no other sibling/uncle/cousin categories into which things can be diffused - thus it's the last rung of the ladder, and it slices by ethnicity. It also slices Category:Hispanic and Latino American actors by age, which is fine btw. As a counter example, Category:African-American politicians is not a last-rung, as there are many sibling categories which are diffusing. I'm fine with gendered categories, but we don't need to implement gendered categories all the way down the tree. It would suffice, IMHO, to have something like "American male actors" and "American actresses" as the only gendered categories, and then put everyone else together by ethnicity, state, year, genre, whatever. The other problem with these categories, besides the bottom rung issue, is they are essentially triple intersections: job, ethnicity+nationality, age. We usually discourage these. I invite you to explore the category intersection tool which is quite powerful, I made a demo here: Category:Singaporean_poets, you could easily do the same in the actors categories if needed.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:53, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I really have to object to your lead remark, JPL. "Pointy"?? Hardly. To the contrary, I felt that you had raised a valid and valuable point that couldn't be ignored. I created and populated the new category in the same spirit that I have created countless other categories. In all my years editing here, I have never done anything merely to "make a point". It's not how I operate, and frankly, I have much better things to do with my time. So I would appreciate it if you would kindly strike thru that line, in the interest of present and future comity. (As we like to say, Assume Good Faith). Cgingold (talk) 11:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • When its only sibling category is currently nominated for upmerger, it does not make sense to respond to comments in that nomination by creating this category. That is not the right approach.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I could not agree LESS. What arrant nonsense. If you've never seen a new category created as a positive and constructive response to a CFD discussion, that merely goes to show that you haven't been around here as long as some of us have. And just because you don't like it sure as hell doesn't give you the right to make baseless accusations. So much for Assume Good Faith. Cgingold (talk) 08:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, since no one has yet argued such for Lucy Arnaz, in fact no one has even tried to claim the character Kim Carter was meant to be Hispanic at all, I think this is a compelling argument.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Jacksboro, Tennessee

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small town with just 3 entries. ...William 13:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Revolutions in Belgium

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The convention of Category:Revolutions by country is "FOOian revolutions". Armbrust The Homunculus 11:38, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for sharing your thinking on the subject -- I always appreciate hearing from Category creators. I didn't mean to suggest that the events in question didn't take place in territory that later became part of the modern state of Belgium -- only that it wasn't considered to be "Belgium" at the time. I probably should have addressed that issue explicitly in my remarks. We run into this sort of issue all the time with categories for earlier periods of history. And as a rule, we don't "pretend" that a certain swath of territory that later became part of Country X was already part of that country in an earlier period. I can understand why you want to group these revolutions together in one category, but it's gonna need a better name that more accurately reflects the geo-political circumstances. Cgingold (talk) 07:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Americans convicted of spying against Iran

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2013 SEP 17 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:14, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OC#SMALL, a subcategorization by the nation, which against they were convicted of spying doesn't make sense with only 8 articles. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per WP:SMALLCAT....William 12:19, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Sneedville, Tennessee

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small town with just one entry. ...William 11:34, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Yoga and sex scandals

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The scope of this category is different than the title suggests: it seeks to include biographies and not scandals. However, there are other issues in that the inclusion criteria is based on accusations and not convictions etc which is what we'd require for bios, as opposed to pages on scandals. Also, the intersection is random and in violation of WP:OCAT -- the scandals are involving people (leaders of individual practices) and not the practice of Yoga itself, so it is invalid. —SpacemanSpiff 06:25, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prague Declaration on European Conscience and Communism signatories

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Prague Declaration on European Conscience and Communism signatories (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Having signed a document is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of a person. For an example of a recent similar CFD see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_7#Category:Signers_of_the_Humanist_Manifesto. For info: There is a partial list at Prague_Declaration_on_European_Conscience_and_Communism#Signatories. For info: The name (but not the existence) of this category was discussed at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_August_12#Category:Signers_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence. DexDor (talk) 02:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Predecessors of Norfolk Southern

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category contains one article and has no parent category/ies. DexDor (talk) 02:35, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mountain biking venues in Wales

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The result of the discussion was: delete; none of the included articles are about venues which are mounting biking venues in the sense that Aston Hill Mountain Bike Area is a mountain biking venue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Places (towns, forests, hills etc) should be categorized by permanent WP:DEFINING characteristics (e.g. being a village in Wales) - not by what activities (e.g. coal mining, trout fishing, hill walking or mountain biking) have taken place there. Note: The parent Category:Mountain biking venues in the United Kingdom should also be purged (of articles like Aonach Mòr), but that category does contain some articles for which mountain biking is a defining characteristic - e.g. Aston Hill Mountain Bike Area. The text at Category:Mountain biking venues which currently says "the criteria is that an article should contain some text about mountain biking" should also be changed as it's not compatible with WP:DEFINING. For info: The category was renamed by Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_September_20#Category:Mountain_bike_trails_in_Wales. DexDor (talk) 02:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Unmarried elected leaders

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:26, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't normally categorize people by combination of marital status and occupation - this is the only "unmarried" category and we only have "married" categories in a few cases where it's very unusual (e.g. Category:Married Roman Catholic bishops). DexDor (talk) 02:24, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Professionals

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The result of the discussion was: delete Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • @BrownHairedGirl, I agree the title "Disbarred professionals' is not ideal since only lawyers are disbarred not physicians/nurses/engineers/architects/accountants etc. BUT... please find a more appropriate name instead of simply deleting. XOttawahitech (talk) 16:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Peterkingiron, in regards to your comment:
'Reparent' Category:Disbarred lawyers to an appropriate category, covering doctors, nurses and others removed from the appropriate professional register for misconduct
This exactly is the reason I created this category in the first place. I could not find a way to locate physicians who have been officially removed from their profession due to malpractice. However, since I am used to having my category-creations deleted in short order I did not go the extra mile that is required to make this into a properly titled well-designed category. Maybe some of the editors here whose efforts are not exclusively directed at tearing down the work of others will complete this important task. I am out of this. XOttawahitech (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I really don't see a problem with that, since no profession is ever licensed everywhere across the globe, these would necessarily be resorted to only categorize professionals by locality for those localities which licence professionals. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 13:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Archimedes was not a professional engineer, so it's wrong to categorize him as a professional in all cases. Indeed, most of the Ancient Greeks would not be professionals of any sort. As I said, if they are renamed, the categories would need to be resorted. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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