- Category:United Kingdom employment law to Category:United Kingdom labour law – C2D. --BDD (talk) 18:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:United Kingdom employment case law to Category:Category:United Kingdom labour case law
- Oppose both: Employment Law is the standard terminology in use in the UK, so as Speedy criteria C2.C(3) says "This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage", I think the Speedy criteria process is not applicable to this rename request. Rwendland (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The article recently moved to United Kingdom labour law by consensus. It's at the article level that appropriate regional names are typically selected, and then the relevant category name generally just follows the article name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The User Rwendland is confused about the content of this category. It covers the wider category of labour law, rather than the narrower category of employment law. I know because I wrote almost every one of those 195 case pages. Also, Rwendland is confused about standard terminology in the UK: labour law is more standard for the reasons I gave on the talk page. Wikidea 17:33, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternative proposal: The fact that the WP page has recently been renamed from United Kingdom employment law to labour law, which I was unaware of and surprised by, does put a different complexion on the issue. However as every single legal bookseller's website I have visited has a category called "Employment Law" and none have a "Labour Law" category, eg [1][2][3][4][5], and the seminal OUP Blackstone's Statutes book is called "Employment Law"[6] not "Labour Law", I would contend that the UK local usage for categorisation is clearly "Employment Law" - so this rename would be contrary to Speedy criteria C2.C(3). I propose that the existing employment law categories be made sub-categories on new UK labour law categories, and articles clearly about the employee-employer legal relationship be left in the employment law categories, and wider legal trade union, safety etc labour relationship articles be placed in the new UK labour law categories.Rwendland (talk) 09:59, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment From your comments it looks to me like you don't even realize, that the proposed renamed isn't under the C2C speedy criteria, but C2D. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Whoops, I'd missed that, thanks. However C2C also applies to this case, so we should have some cognisance of the C2C criteria. Looking at C2D(2) it does say "If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply." As it seems every UK legal bookseller uses the category "Employment Law" rather that "Labour Law" for this area of law, and the Law Society also uses "Employment Law", I would say there is at least ambiguity in UK usage - not to place UK case report articles, at least, in an Employment Law category is confusing for WP users. It seems to me my suggestion of having some employment law sub-categories of wider labour law categories resolves this in the best way for WP users, compatible with the mainline WP categorisation convention. Rwendland (talk) 11:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No, I'm afraid Rwendland is mistaken. As I explained before on the discussion Talk:United Kingdom labour law the proper term is labour law: this is the main textbooks' and the universities' view. The book shops' section titles are irrelevant, because employment law is a subcategory of labour law. They are not talking about the content of this category. That's why, when I wrote those 195 case pages, I called the category labour law. Please move it all back as soon as possible. Thanks, Wikidea 14:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- As you say, it is reasonable to view employment law as a subcategory of labour law, so why not have some more specific WP employment law subcategories of labour law as I suggest, as Employment Law is the common UK local usage? While Oxford and Cambridge use Labour Law as the main topic, many lesser universities use Employment Law, such as City London[7], Bristol[8], Manchester Law[9]. Major legal firms use Employment, such as Clifford Chance[10], Outer Temple[11], Slaughter and May[12]. Whenever I look around for evidence I simply do not see that Labour Law has superceded Employment Law as the common UK term for this field. Rwendland (talk) 09:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No, labour law is the correct term for this category. It shouldn't have been moved. Those courses and those practices, are not this category. Wikidea 19:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood you. Yes, I should get round to creating more subcategories like I have here: Category:English contract case law - there should ultimately be categories for employment contract cases, discrimination cases, trade union cases, and so on. If you're happy with that, I'll do the work, so long as we put it back to the overall category of UK labour law cases speedily! Thanks! Wikidea 16:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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