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Category:News Limited

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 11:01, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. News Limited has been renamed News Corp Australia. Bbb2007 (talk) 19:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jordanian Armed Forces

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Category now has three members so a discussion that started with one member could be misleading. No problem with an immediate new nomination based on the current contents and the discussion here. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with just a single article is not useful. User<Svick>.Talk(); 13:34, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(Vote above unchanged) According to British usage the navy and air force are NOT military. Jordan was a British protectorate, so that I expect that British uisage is appropriate. However we certainly have too many categories here and they need to be rationaliused somehow. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Byzantine emperors killed in battle

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Roman emperors killed in battle. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A whole category for two individuals is rather a stretch, per WP:SMALLCAT. Category:Monarchs killed in action suffices perfectly well. Constantine ✍ 12:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:21st Century Fox subsidiaries

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. There was no discussion here on this being a member of Category:Corporate subsidiaries by company. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: If this is how the category is going to be used, maybe rename to match main article. ViperSnake151  Talk  06:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:European Capitals of Culture

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Having been a ECofC is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of a city. This is an award recipients category (which fails WP:OC#AWARD) and/or an event category (which fails WP:OC#VENUES). This has some similarity with the Olympic host cities CFD. We don't categorize cities by things like whether a city has an underground (metro) system or whether it has been beseiged which (IMO) is a much longer-lasting and significant characteristic (although also not strictly a WP:DEFINING characteristic). For info: There is a list at European Capital of Culture and Template:European Capital of Culture. The Ruhr.2010 article could be upmerged. DexDor (talk) 06:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per our article: "The European Capital of Culture is a city designated by the European Union for a period of one calendar year during which it organises a series of cultural events with a strong European dimension" So, at best, this is a "current category" because if the designation is defining for a city, why does the city lose the title after year? Apparently, Brussels no longer thinks the city worthy of being denoted as a capital of culture. Moreover, each city seems to have to come from specific countries with no recognition that London or Rome has never won, but Luxembourg has won twice shows the non-defining nature of the award, unless the consensus here is that Luxembourg has twice the culture of Antwerp, and London and Rome are culture-less. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The previous CFD was withdrawn after the nominator was told that ECoC is a big deal in Europe. IMO, in the UK at least, thats dubious - a news item about an event may mention that it's part of ECoC activities, but I don't see much in the national news about ECoC itself. Even if it was a big deal, "a year-long series of events accompanied by ... promotion of a city" (quoting from one of the keep votes in the previous CFD) isn't (in the long term) a WP:DEFINING characteristic of a city. DexDor (talk) 20:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Locations in the Iliad

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We should not categorize real places by associations with fiction (e.g. mythology is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of Lemnos). After renaming this category should be purged of real places. For info: This category was mentioned in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_May_10#Category:Robin_Hood_locations. DexDor (talk) 06:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the Iliad is a work of history, "(real) places mentioned in <book>" isn't a category structure that should be encouraged. The Second World War (book series) is an important work, but we shouldn't use it to categorize every place it mentions. DexDor (talk) 21:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't put one or two or twenty ancient works in a separate class. ... In its original, there's only one, but that might be said of many myths -- that there is one original source work. Then it gets adapted into many others. ... And even if there were only one text, the real places referred to it have changed name, geopolitical identities, and so forth over time ... --Lquilter (talk) 16:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Category:Mythological locations in the Iliad" would be OK (in WP categorization mythology is a subset of fiction). It would still enable real places to be removed from the category. DexDor (talk) 21:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have cats like this only because they've been getting deleted -- like Robin Hood. --Lquilter (talk) 16:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • People do approach the Iliad as a historical work. It has an ancient religious framework. Comparing the Iliad with the Bible is imbalanced due to different historical scope. A comparison with the books of Samuel might be better. Are the Books of Samuel fiction? Is the Iliad fiction? These questions are better left to article, and it is better to leave categories silent on asserting that something like the Iliad is fiction. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:11, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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