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Category:Standalone accompaniment instruments

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 23:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Arbitrary criterion for inclusion —swpbT 19:35, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:United States airliners 2020–2029

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Arbitrary period —swpbT 19:27, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Argutinsky-Dolgorukov

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:Argutinsky-Dolgorukov to Category:All parents
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one page. The linked Russian Wikipedia category has 4 articles, but for the time being this one is not justified. – Fayenatic London 16:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Association football people by country

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename; there is no consensus to remove this from the parent hierarchy either. Many parts of the hierarchies in English Wikipedia have inconsistencies between one level and another, but the hierarchies nevertheless remain (i) mostly true and (ii) useful for navigation. – Fayenatic London 06:27, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The category should either follow the convention of Category:Sportspeople by sport and nationality or it should be removed from it. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:43, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy nom
  • Category:Association football people by country to Category:Association football people by nationality – C2C: per the convention in Category:Sportspeople by sport and nationality. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose. @Armbrust this is a container for categories of footballers in a country, who may not be of that nationality. See the similar distinction between Category:Association football players by country and Category:Association football players by nationality. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    @BrownHairedGirl: In that case, however, it shouldn't be in Category:Sportspeople by sport and nationality at all. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    @Armbrust: you may be right about that, and if so, then some juggling of parent categories may be required.
    However, the underlying question is that since this all arises from a desire not to put expatriate footballers in Fooland under a "Fooish people" category, hoe far up the tree do we pursue the distinction? I am far from sure that it is a good idea to retain this distinction in the category system, because I don't think that our general intermixing of people-by-nationality with people-by-place supports it. For example, an American expatriate artist in Paris may be there for all their notable career, possibly many decades, so it would be folly not to categorise them under Category:People from Paris .... but that places them under Category:French people. I see no problem with that, but the sports categories are based on the assumption that such fuzziness doesn't exist. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    @Armbrust: This is a can of worms that is way too complex for a speedy. @BrownHairedGirl: I think the sports categories don't assume that kind of fuzziness doesn't exist, it's more that it's very common for footballers in particular to move around the globe, often on an annual basis - but for a very short time, maybe 6-8 years at the peak of their careers. So they don't get entrenched in the way that your artist would, so they don't identify as "French" - but at the same time, their two most defining characteristics at any one time are the team they are playing for and their international team (which is defined more strictly than citizenship - you can have two passports but only one football nationality). And for many footballers from smaller countries like say Ryan Giggs, they are defined more by the club than their country as they win many more trophies with their club than country. So personally I'd let sleeping dogs lie.... Le Deluge (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Apostolic nuncios

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The result of the discussion was: keep, with support for nominating the sub-categories instead. – Fayenatic London 06:29, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. Every subcategory uses a capital "N", so this one should too. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy nom
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Category:Austrian people of Silesian German descent

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at 2017 May 11. – Fayenatic London 13:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: purge and merge, the category consists of four Austrian people whose parents were born in Austrian Silesia so they don't belong in the category (not of German descent) and should be purged. And as a fifth one there is Georg Wahl who was a German Silesian working in Austria for about 15 years. So he wasn't descending, he was just a German and should be moved to Category:German emigrants to Austria. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • While not disagreeing that there may be room for such a category, neither of the five articles in the nominated category would get into it, because the circumstances in these five cases are different from being displaced in 1945. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Drohobych Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 06:31, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, not enough content for a small short-lived (20 years) country subdivision. No need to merge anything, the articles are already in the right categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Consistency with other country's subdivisions. Give a some time. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 06:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good point about consistency, I've added Category:Crimean Oblast to the nomination. This oblast existed for 45 years and still has no more than an eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • We don't create categories for every former subdivision. For example we don't have categories for subdivisions of the Assyrian Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is a bad analogy: do we even have a complete list of the satraps of that Empire? this might generate OR. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:11, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ukrainian football forward, 2000s births stubs

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The result of the discussion was: delete category and upmerge template (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:21, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I propose that this category is a few years too early. Those born in the 2000s would be 17 or younger. Very few would have encyclopedia-worthy careers at this time. Recommend deleting the category and upmerging the template to Category:Ukrainian football forward stubs. Nothing against recreating the category in a few years, once a reasonable number of stubs (> 60) exist for this category. Dawynn (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Soltaniyeh County geography stubs

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The result of the discussion was: delete category and upmerge template (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Inconsistent definition. Wikipedia can't even agree as to whether this is a county of its own or a district in Abhar County. Categories relating to the independent county definition are extremely small. Propose deleting and moving template to Category:Abhar County geography stubs. Dawynn (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Universal identifiers

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The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is in the spirit of CFDS #C2D, but it doesn't precisely fit that situation. Universal identifier is a redlink, and Universal identifiers is a redirect to International identifier, a kind of identifier that's used to identify multinational corporations. The basic concept is covered by an article with a different name, Unique identifier (this is the standard term in the field, not merely a Wikipedia-created descriptive title), which covers all sorts of identifiers from international identifiers to national identity numbers, from Bates numbering to Smithsonian trinomials. The article and category for this basic concept ought to share a title, and when the article has the standard term as its current title, the discrepancy ought to be resolved by renaming the category. Nyttend (talk) 02:06, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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