< April 4 April 6 >

April 5

Category:Lists of United States Supreme Court cases by volume

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 10:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Entirely redundant to Lists of United States Supreme Court cases by volume, unneeded as a category. DannyS712 (talk) 23:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:I'm a Celebrity... (UK) contestants

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted, WP:G4, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_27. – Fayenatic London 08:43, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Category:I'm a Celebrity... (UK) contestants to article List of I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! contestants (UK)
Nominator's rationale: Listify - duplicate of List of I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! contestants (UK), lists are the usual way we handle participants rather than categories. Le Deluge (talk) 19:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:People of Finland Swedish descent

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:40, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:TRIVIALCAT, how relevant is it for e.g. British people that their Finnish ancestors spoke Swedish? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not an ethnicity as strong as Armenians and Assyrians for whom religion also plays a very important role. In contrast Finnish people are Lutherans regardless whether or not the belong they belong to the Swedish-speaking minority. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Whole countries and huge empires have come and gone; some countries have moved so radically that there is little territorial continuity. ethnic and cultural groupings are very complex. Boundaries have shifted, some languages and cultures have been suppressed, and there have been mass migrations. Some minority groups have largely assimilated, others much less so.
Some individuals and some families remain closely immersed in one part of that heritage, others much less so. This can happen even within one generation.
So the question is how much of this vast kaleidescope of complexity Wikipedia tries to capture in its category system.
Ten years ago, I would have been inclined to be answer "as much a possible". But I no longer think that approach is sustainable. Too few of our articles capture enough of the complexity of ethnicity and identity to allow meaningful categorisation. The binary nature of categorisation doesn't capture the vast difference between someone whose ancestors assimilated three centuries ago and someone whose family maintained the old ways until a generation ago — in categorisation policy terms, we are looking at an attribute whose WP:DEFININGness can be anywhere from 0% to 100%, and often unclear.
So I conclude that the category system is just to crude to do a decent enough job on on this to make such categories any more than a poorly-sourced, woefully incomplete, ill-defined and disastrously un-nuanced mishmash.
Of course, theses issue should be discussed within the article, subject to all the usual policies: WP:V, WP:RS, WP:WEIGHT etc. But this is one of the jobs which the category system can't manage. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Paramus Catholic High School alumni

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:CATDEF A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define[1] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc. For example, here: "Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement ...", Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject Caravaggio.
It seems really unlikely that what high school people went to was a defining characteristic which is commonly and consistently used to describe anyone. ResultingConstant (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC) ResultingConstant (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Those are good arguments for mentioning information about education in the text of a biographical article (assuming the info can be sourced), but is it really defining? For example, most bio articles won't mention the person's high school in the lede. An article may contain hundreds (possibly thousands) of facts, but we don't categorize for most of those facts. DexDor (talk) 20:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely, and that's just one aspect of how their schooling defines them, there's all the other more standard reasons too in terms of the impact of location of the school, its culture and that of the surrounding area. When you take everything combined. one's schooling its often far more defining than other things we categorise. We happily put people's university in there, even though they often spend less than half the time at such an institution than they spend at school.Shakehandsman (talk) 00:12, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Sinhalese script

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Match the category name with the Sinhala language and Sinhala script articles. Danielklein (talk) 03:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Brightline stations

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:17, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In line with renaming of article to reflect subject's rebranding per WP:C2D. Migle82 (talk) 01:07, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Brightline

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In line with renaming of main article to reflect subject's rebranding per WP:C2D. Migle82 (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Pride of Britain Awards

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting Category:Pride of Britain Awards
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT
The Pride of Britain Awards is an annual award ceremony started in 2000. I have no conceptual problem with the category but it consists only of the main article and three redirects for individual years that all point back to that same article so it doesn't aid navigation. If we don't have individual articles about each ceremony after 20 years, I don't think growth is likely but--if I'm wrong--no objection to recreating this category later. (Alternativley we could convert this to a hidden redirect category if any editors find that useful.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes delete if no "by year" articles. Hugo999 (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Latin Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Latin Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
The Latin Songwriters Hall of Fame is a web site and annual awards show in Florida that started in 2013. The vast majority of articles in this category don't mention the award at all, although it should be added with the other honours. Instead, the Latin Grammy Award is often mentioned (including in the intro) and seems defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in a separate list article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:13, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Even I'm okay with the Grammy categories! RevelationDirect (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
More