February 19
Eponymous SMALLCATs for schools
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete. I manually merged to parent categories where necessary. – Fayenatic London 10:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Propose deleting:
- Category:Ananda College
51 more Sri Lankan schools
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- Category:Alborz High School
29 more schools, mostly in the USA, UK, and the former British Empire
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- Category:St. Paul's Co-educational College (added 02:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC))
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT: small, limited possibility for expansion, not part of an established series.
- Nearly all these categories contain only the head article and a category for alumni or "people educated at"). The remainder contains one or more of
- List of alumni, already in the alumni subcat
- Image file for the school logo
- A redirect to head article
- None of those 3 items needs to be categorised with the school, because all of them will be cross-linked. Most schools can be covered adequately in a single head article, so it is only in exceptional cases that there will be other articles relating to a single school.
- Note that the cluster of Sri Lankan school categories was created recently by User:Obi2canibe, who may wish to comment here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - there isn't generally currently a cross-link from the article about the school to the alumni category (e.g. Hillwood College has no such cross-link). The argument for deletion would be stronger if such cross-links were in place or would be put in prior to deletion. DexDor (talk) 22:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @DexDor: checked the cross-links for a few dozen of them, and will now check the rest. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @DexDor: all nominated categories are now cross-linked to the head article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- @DexDor: checked the cross-links for a few dozen of them, and will now check the rest. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. This is analogous to the deletion of eponymous categories for bands with just 1 subcat, of albums typically, hundreds of which have been deleted at cfd. Oculi (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete All per WP:SMALLCAT. If I'm wrong, and any of these get up to 5 or so direct articles (not counting an alumni subcat), no objection to recreating. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom/smallcat. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 05:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comment As the issue with cross-linking has been sorted out I have no objection to the deletion.--Obi2canibe (talk) 12:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete -- In all the cases that I checked, there was an alumni sub-cat and an article on the school/college. The one article will make an appropriate main article for the alumni, so that it will not be orphaned from it, but a check needs to be made that the school/college articles have appropriate categories and will not be orphaned of parents by the deletion. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Books by Indian authors
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Category:Explosives engineering and bomb disposal in fiction
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Category:Foyle College
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only 2 items related to this secondary school in Derry: the head article Foyle College and Category:People educated at Foyle College.
Little or no prospect of expansion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:44, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: Nominator's so called rationale is absolute nonsense and a little hypocritical to say the least. There are hundreds of categories with a similar amount of articles. In fact BrownHairedGirl has created dozens of categories with just a single article in them. See for example majority of subcategories in Category:Ladies' Gaelic footballers by county in Ireland. Djln Djln (talk) 17:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Djln: a bit less personal please, and a little more attention to the categorisation guidelines.
- Before dismissing a CFD nomination as
absurd
, do please read the long-established stable guideline WP:SMALLCAT is clear "Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme". - There is no "overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" for eponymous categories for schools. If you think that the set categories in Category:Ladies' Gaelic footballers by county in Ireland is not part of an accepted scheme, feel free to nominate them for merger.
- As to Category:Foyle College, its only function is to group an article and a subcat which are both cross-linked. That sort of category is routinely deleted at CFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Oh please crying "personal attack" when you've been called out ! Your logic of "Little or no prospect of expansion" applies equally to Category:Ladies' Gaelic footballers by county in Ireland. Case of pot calling kettle. You ignored WP:SMALLCAT when you created these subcategories but I'm not allowed to. Please explain why ? Please don't just quote guidelines. Not interested in reading them thanks. Djln Djln (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Djln:, I did explain it.
- And if you seriously (really? really?) believe that there is no prospect of more notable Ladies' Gaelic footballers in those counties, or that there is not an established series of categorisng GAA players by sport and county, then as noted above please feel free to nominate those cats for upmerger.
- However, this discussion is not about Ladies' Gaelic footballers; it is about Foyle College. Please do try to stay focused. In this case you don't dispute that there is prospect of expanding the category, and you don't dispute that they pages are already interlinked. So the category serves no purpose, which is why this type of category is deprecated in a long-established guideline which forms the basis of many CFD nominations every day.
- Note to closer see the category creator's statement[1]
Please don't just quote guidelines. Not interested in reading them thanks
. Draw your own conclusions. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)- @BrownHairedGirl: What a patronising tone and attitude. You've been caught out. Now you're trying to worm your way out of it by quoting guidelines that you yourself have ignored. Guidelines or just guidelines, they are not sacrosanct or carved in stone. They are just opinions. User:Djln Djln (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sigh. @Djln, I have not been
caught out
. I have followed the guideline, and explained it to you, but your replies are all personal rather than addressing the substance. - I am sorry that you feel I have been
patronising
by alerting to a long-established guideline which you should have been aware of, but which you determined to ignore. However, this isn't the place to discuss your personal discomfort with en.wp's core principle of WP:CONSENSUS and with the guidelines which record that consensus. - At the top of the page WP:SMALLCAT, there is a standard notice as applied to all guidelines: "This page documents an English Wikipedia editing guideline. It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." You have not attempted to identify any reason why Foyle College should be treated as an exception to SMALLCAT. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I get it now. It's okay for you to create a category with a single article but I'm not allowed to. That seems to be the story. Djln Djln (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, Djln, you don't get it all. You might get it if you either read the guideline or read my explanations, but you refuse to do either. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:55, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I get it now. It's okay for you to create a category with a single article but I'm not allowed to. That seems to be the story. Djln Djln (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sigh. @Djln, I have not been
- @BrownHairedGirl: What a patronising tone and attitude. You've been caught out. Now you're trying to worm your way out of it by quoting guidelines that you yourself have ignored. Guidelines or just guidelines, they are not sacrosanct or carved in stone. They are just opinions. User:Djln Djln (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Oh please crying "personal attack" when you've been called out ! Your logic of "Little or no prospect of expansion" applies equally to Category:Ladies' Gaelic footballers by county in Ireland. Case of pot calling kettle. You ignored WP:SMALLCAT when you created these subcategories but I'm not allowed to. Please explain why ? Please don't just quote guidelines. Not interested in reading them thanks. Djln Djln (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Before dismissing a CFD nomination as
- Delete per smallcat. It is highly unusual for a school to merit its own category. Category:Wikipedia categories named after schools in the United Kingdom contains some, a few of which should also be deleted. Oculi (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- "highly unusual for a school to merit its own category". That is apart from the 71 plus that already exist. Really ? Djln Djln (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Djln, there are tens of thousands of articles on schools, but you claim to have found only 71 with an eponymous category. That should be a clue to you.
- If you can identify any categories for a school which contains only the eponymous head article and one subcat, I will CFD them too. -BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Looks like there are several inappropriate SMALLCATS in Category:Wikipedia categories named after schools. I am preparing a group nomination. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Seriously @BrownHairedGirl: you need to get a life. Have you nothing better to do ? Djln Djln (talk) 21:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- WP:NPA, Djln. I could spend some time setting up education facilities for people who who refuse to read guidelines and then get outraged when they find they have breached them, but I reckon this is more productive.
- Thanks for the pointer towards Category:Wikipedia categories named after schools, where I found over 80 more pointless categories. Nominated for deletion above, at Eponymous SMALLCATs for schools. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Don't make me laugh. If you were a teacher, you would probably tell your pupils one thing and then do the complete opposite. Just like you have done here. If you want to waste your time deleting categories in a petty minded manner then go ahead. Djln Djln (talk) 18:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- WP:NPA, Djln. I could spend some time setting up education facilities for people who who refuse to read guidelines and then get outraged when they find they have breached them, but I reckon this is more productive.
- "highly unusual for a school to merit its own category". That is apart from the 71 plus that already exist. Really ? Djln Djln (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Category doesn't aid navigation and growth potential seems minimal. (Feel free to do review any of the categories I've created.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SMALLCAT, and the personal attacks make me think a WP:NOTHERE block may be in order. Miniapolis 23:00, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete The school article will make an appropriate main article for the alumni category. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:28, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete -- The case is exactly the same as the Sri Lankan and other schools at the top of this page. If this were about a university, we would have a category for staff/faculty and such like, but school teachers are rarely WP-notable. This is not a question of the notability of the school, whose article should of course be kept. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Anna Sui
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Subject and two articles insufficient for WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 13:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Actors of German descent
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- The result of the discussion was: keep without prejudice to renominating as part of a batch nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: not a notable intersection of characteristics Ivar the Boneful (talk) 11:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - Is there a reason you've singled out this one category out of the scores of subcats of Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent? Anomalous+0 (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose unless this is a sample nom, to be followed by a general cull of all such categories. Descent is not generally a significant factor in the actor's ability to perform. However we have a lot of such categories, and in this case I not that the male and female subcats each have over 550 members. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Pan-Hornism
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: It's no accident that there's no article about "Pan-Hornism" on Wikipedia. If there actually is such a thing as "Pan-Hornism", there's no confirmation on either Google or Google Scholar. What more is there to say? Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. It's a real thing, though it's usually called Pan-Somalism (there's a tiny bit about it in Greater Somalia. Long story short, a minority of Somalis like the idea, residents of other countries in the region don't, and Somalia has enough trouble trying to hold onto its own independentist regions (e.g, Puntland, Somaliland) without worrying about annexing its neighbours. So as a movement it's pretty much dead in the water and I doubt - political shocks excepted - that there'll ever be enough stand-alone articles for a category, let alone a NPOV one. Grutness...wha? 09:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info. Even if there were an article elaborating on the subject, the 3 categories that are currently the entire contents don't even begin to make sense. Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete -- The category contains 3 articles on nationalism in 3 countries, who of which will be opposed to Pan-Somalism. I recall that Somalia fought a war to try to establish its claim to the whole of the Horn of Africa, ultimately resulting in nothing at all. If we were discussing an article, I would suggest merging or redirecting to Somali Nationalism. As it is potentially a category with one genuine member, it should not even exist. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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