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Category:People from Pskov Oblast

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kurgan Oblast

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all. Categories are useful as a navigation tool between articles about the same topic. When lots of categories only have 1 or a few articles the whole purpose of categories goes astray. The fact that there is useful translation work to be done can also be derived from the limited number of articles at a higher level, that is certainly not a reason to keep all these smallcats. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:19, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not what WP:SMALLCAT says. You're one of the most regular contributors here, so what you and Oculi saying clearly is what practice actually is, but perhaps you could update the guidelines to reflect that practice? (e.g. "Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members..." --> "Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members or that currently have very few members..." or whatever the rule is). Furius (talk) 14:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have to look at the number of articles actually in English Wikipedia unless there is some reason to expect more in the near future. Categories are supposed to be defining, and place of birth is not necessarily so. Rathfelder (talk) 15:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Samara Oblast

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Tula Oblast

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 17:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for Category:People from Uzlovsky District (41 individuals on ru.wiki), Category:People from Shchyokinsky District (53 on ru.wiki), Category:People from Shchyokino (town), Tula Oblast (22 on ru.wiki), Category:People from Plavsky District (15 on ru.wiki), Category:People from Leninsky District, Tula Oblast (12 on ru), Category:People from Dubensky District, Tula Oblast (12 on ru), Category:People from Bogoroditsky District (46 on ru). Support for Category:People from Zaoksky District, Category:People from Kurkinsky District, Category:People from Belyov (23, but almost all from Belov town) Furius (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm perfectly happy to keep any which have realistic potential for growth. Rathfelder (talk) 20:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think these do. When I'm doing translation work, I often use categories like this to identify targets for translation to en.wiki (though Russian isn't one of my languages, yet). Furius (talk) 21:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fantasy-comedy films by country

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 3#Category:Fantasy-comedy films by country

Category:Polish pilots

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I've transferred everything over to Category:Polish aviators. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Test pilots

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There used to be individuals listed here, but some of them were subcategorized by nationality, so I completed the process. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clarityfiend.seems to be suggesting containerisation
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Academic personnel in Europe

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 3#Academic personnel in Europe

Category:Exophonic writers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 3#Category:Exophonic writers

Category:Songs in memory of Matthew Shepard

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Works about Matthew Shepard. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Songs in memory of Matthew Shepard to Category:Songs about Matthew Shepard
Nominator's rationale: For good housekeeping following previous discussions which resulted in moving members manually and deleting the parent cat Songs in memory of deceased persons and where both categories existed, Songs in Memory of XXX were merged with the Category, Songs about XXX. As stated in previous nomination mentioned above, whether a song was written before or after the death of the subject seems such an artificial distinction. Richhoncho (talk) 10:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Tatarstan

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 08:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Krasnoyarsk Krai

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 08:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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People by occupation and city

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These three are consistent with many siblings, but were opposed as Speedy nominations on the ground that they are by location not nationality. However, WP:SUBCAT allows for sub-catting where the majority of the contents fit into the parent. – Fayenatic London 08:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of Speedy discussion
  • Oppose Not all scientists working in Foo country are Fooian nationals.. This is a "by country" category, not a "by nationality" category. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Laurel Lodged.--Bduke (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not all scientists working in Foo country are Fooian nationals.. This is a "by country" category, not a "by nationality" category. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Laurel Lodged.--Bduke (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You think these two are different from the rest of Category:Scientists by country and city?Rathfelder (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Artists by city or town in India to Category:Indian artists by city or town – C2C: To match the rest of Category:Artists by city or town Rathfelder (talk) 12:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not all scientists working in Foo country are Fooian nationals.. This is a "by country" category, not a "by nationality" category. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All the others in Category:Artists by city or town are of the form Fooish artists from .... Why is this different? I dont think many editors see a distinction between "by country" categories, and "by nationality" categories. Rathfelder (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply We don't need to check passports, we only need to check an atlas. London is either in the UK or it is not. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Medieval Arab people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: delete (after manual merge) or rename as per nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete (after manual merge) or rename, trivial intersection between ethnicity and occupation (WP:OCEGRS). Articles may be moved to an occupation in the medieval Islamic world category or a more specific category in that tree (e.g. Al-Andalus or Abbasid Caliphate) if they aren't already there. And the latter is quite likely. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair point. The articles should already be in an Arabs by century category, but it will not harm to check that as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would not expect the closer to implement the proposal right away, presumably they will list this at WP:CFDWM. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The nomination does not deny that these categories are based on Arab ethnicity, but it is based on the notion that intersection between ethnicity and occupation is generally regarded as overcategorization as laid down in the WP:OC guideline. Articles do not have to be in Category:Astronomers of Al-Andalus and Category:Medieval Arab astronomers, the former is sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Many categories are based on both ethnicity and occupation, for example Category:Medieval Jews by occupation and Category:Medieval Iranian by occupation. An astronomer in Al-Andalus can be of Arab, Berber, Jewish or Persian descent. It's not an exact substitute. Al-Andalusi (talk) 18:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes there is still a lot of clean-up to be done. But that shouldn't be a reason not to clean this up. For being an astronomer it is entirely irrelevant where their ancestors came from. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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