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The article was promoted 15:54, 26 July 2007.


Cardinal-nephew[edit]

Self-nomination. Meticulously referenced article with plenty of free images and an interesting subject matter. It is, I believe, exhaustive in terms of the number of referencable facts about this obscure topic. Has been recognized as a good article, and improved substantially since then. I filed a peer review to see if anything could be done about this list of cardinal-nephews, but quicly realized (with the help of LordHarris) that the obvious solution was to move that to a separate list: list of cardinal-nephews. I hope that you'll support this article; otherwise, I'd be happy to address any actionable objections. Savidan 00:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me from breaking with the imbedded format. I'm inclined not to remove the quote boxes (which are used in other featured articles), although I will change the references as you ask, if you can point to some guideline (actually, even a few examples of outstanding articles would be fine). As for the intro, I will explore ways to to make it more inclusive, but I might have to sleep on that. I'm not incline to move the foot noted material from the intro to another part of the article and then repeat it uncited in the intro. The whole point is that those sentences are summary material, but I wanted to avoid original research in the way I summarized the trends. As I said, I will make some change to the intro, and notify you when its done. Savidan 17:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I will forgive you in time X-D. Please check out this discussion which is very relevant to this FAC. Incidentally, I'd love the opinion of our most esteemed friend Titoxd here. Again, the quote boxes are just a personal thing. I like this template better. If you agree, stick it in. If you don't, keep yours. JHMM13(Disc) 22:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your support, but, just to be clear, the redlinks have been eliminated. Savidan 18:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have augmented the lead as JHMM13 suggested and cleared up the Cardinal Secretary of State thing which Titoxd pointed out. Do either of you have any lingering concerns about the lead?

The source is at the end of the sentence; unfortunately, the entire "[www.fiu.edu/~mirandas/cardinals.htm Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church]" site seems to be down right now. If it's not back up within a week, I'll go through the cache and substitute the printed references which Mirandas gives. I used the site itself because the sources are extremely archaic and the site itself is quite reputable, being included in the Library of Congress's "MINERVA Web Preservation Project" and being linked by multiple scholarly sites, including Britannica.

The Council of Bazill sentence is just a quote from a (relatively ancient book). I can find no other mention of such a council or even figure out where Bazill might be. I didn't want to paraphrase because its possible that the author wasn't extremely precise with his choice of wording, as is common with older books. The brackets are the dates that I found for when this Council of Bazill took place. It's not a Harvard citation; its part of the original quote. He's refering to Session 23 of the Council of Bazill. Again, I didn't want to reword this because I am skeptical about the rigorousness of the source.

I'm out of town at the moment, so pardon me for leaving the rest of your comments for the time being. Savidan 05:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe one day I'll write an article about Instruzione al cardinal Padrone; as I explained in the article it offers choice pieces of advice about how to consolidate power in the college. The rest of your comments I have implemented. Savidan 16:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. I'm not sure whether I was unclear about the source comment: I see it is there, but it would be better if the name of at least one source were explicitly stated in the prose. Instead of "Some sources say brother", write, "Some sources, such as the New York Times, say brother". (And yes, the NYT is the most absurd thing I could come up with.) But, again, otherwise, it deserves to be FA'd. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 20:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oooooh, re-reading that I can see why another source might be needed. It's not that there are two sources in conflict; it's that one source says it could be either. I changed it to make that more clear. Savidan 23:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While it wasn't what I was saying, I'll file this one as WORKSFORME. Support. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 05:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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