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The article was promoted by Graham Beards via FACBot (talk) 09:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC) [1].[reply]


Lightning (Final Fantasy)[edit]

Nominator(s): ProtoDrake (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]


This article concerns Lightning, a fictional character in the Final Fantasy series and the central character of the Final Fantasy XIII games, produced and published by Square Enix. Most references are both working and archived (exceptions are sites that won't allow archiving or won't archive properly: Square Enix-related pages, IGN, Complex), while those who had either flaky or not working anymore are archived and the archive pages work. The article was given GA status in October 2013, and was made part of the Final Fantasy XIII Good Topic in July of this year. The article has undergone a copyedit and its peer review has been archived. I feel that it is of sufficient quality to become a Featured Article. ProtoDrake (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review from JimmyBlackwing[edit]

I'm not really qualified to review character articles—this stuff has never been my forte. However, this nom has been up awhile with no responses, and I still remember the Squall Leonhart FAC's slow and painful death on the vine. To prevent that from happening again, I'll be prose reviewing this article in the next few days. Letting you know now so that you don't think the nom's been abandoned. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 18:52, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Part 1
  • "She is also has featured in other Final Fantasy games within the series, as well, most notably the crossover game Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy." (Italics signify an addition.)
  • "Lightning's design was changed over time, Over the course of the games, she went through multiple design changes, many of which were meant often to reflect her role and development in each successive game, particularly in Lightning Returns."
  • "Her The final art design was made less Asian-looking than originally conceived these early drafts, and her hair color was changed to pink, while the silver hair color was given to Hope Estheim was given silver hair in favor of pink."
  • "While writing the script for XIII, Daisuke Watanabe, while writing the script for XIII, paid particular attention to developing the character's fleshing out Lightning's non-romantic relationship with Snow Villiers and to showing her development as a person while protecting Hope."

That's all for now. The article could have used an outside copyedit before the nom, but it's not in terrible shape. Impressive work digging up all this material on a relatively minor Japanese video game character. I'll be back to look over the rest of the article in a day or two. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 05:35, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've done what I could on you suggestions, and done some work of my own on the following paragraphs in the Character Design section. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:52, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. I noticed that the noun plus -ing issue still needs to be fixed, though. I'll try to be back with more of my review soon. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Part 2
  • "Lightning's home never appeared in Final Fantasy XIII, but the original work by Isamu Kamikokuryo is contained in an artbook: Several models of Lightning's home were constructed for XIII before this aspect of Lightning's life was but were removed from the game due to space issues."
  • "Toriyama revealed in an interview that, even before the decision was made to make a sequel was greenlit, he had wanted to create a happy ending for the character."
  • "The resultant outfit was designed along the lines of a is a leather body suit bodysuit primarily colored white and red, with spinal column patterns on the sleeves the arms given patterns designed like a spinal column and with white and red as the primary colors."
  • "Some ideas for the ending were to have The team considered ending the game with Lightning either meeting up with or speaking with her allies, but Toriyama wished the story to both start begin and end with her alone."
  • "During their time together, she inadvertently summons Odin, and she unknowingly supports Hope's plan to kill Snow by protecting and training her protects and trains Hope to fight, inadvertently supporting Hope's plan to kill Snow."

That's it for now. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 06:31, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've done my best, and I think addressed the issues you raised. I've probably missed something. And in my defense about some of the terms, if I tried to explain them, it would bloat the article to an unhealthy degree. It's one of the XIII series' faults. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable. You've done a solid job so far, in any case. I noticed that Cocoon still is not introduced in the article body, though, even when the lead defines it as "an artificial world". I'm also a bit baffled as to Anima's identity—is it a monster (like Sin from FFX) or a person? Both issues should be easy to solve. I'll do a little follow-up copyediting and return with Part 3 as soon as I can. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:29, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've done my best to introduce Cocoon and Gran Pulse, and explain the fal'Cie in the body of the article. It should make a little more sense now. --- Update: I've also found some more info about Odin's creation and his links to Lightning. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Part 3

I made a few story-related tweaks while copyediting the article, based on my understanding of the text and a few glances at the other XIII articles. If I made any mistakes in the process, feel free to correct them.

  • "During her journey, She begins to doubt her humanity, and, when she learns upon learning that Bhunivelze stole Serah's soul from her and manipulated Lightning's memories, she plans to betray him when he has finished building the new world."
  • "Lightning then witnesses the creation of a new universe, into which she and goes with alongside her allies and the souls of humanity to a new world."
  • "Lightning has been featured in used as the theme for multiple pieces of Final Fantasy XIII-themed merchandise produced by Square Enix."

I was hoping to finish the whole article by today, but my review was slowed down by unforeseen computer problems. I'll have to look through Reception tomorrow. Thanks for your patience and your hard work so far. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 08:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've done my best with everything you mentioned, but there is one exception that I must explain. "Savior" in Lightning Returns is not just a word, but a formal title used for Lightning. She's not 'a' savior, but 'the' savior. I've capitalized the word to make that a little clearer. And I hope that there won't be many more plot-related expantions needed: what with one having lots of lore, one having time travel and one tying up loose ends from the other two, it can't be a headache using as few words as possible to get the point across. And thanks for catching that UK/US grammar slip: I'm UK-native so sometimes my spelling and grammar slip into what I write. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. I doubt any more plot expansion will be needed; I'm into Reception, now. I'll do the usual follow-up and get back to you with the final part of the review ASAP. As for the US/UK thing—since you're a native speaker of British English, WP:ENGVAR entails that articles you've created and/or edited early can be written in British English. That doesn't apply in this case, but it's something to keep in mind for the future. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Part 4
  • "Jeremy Parrish of 1UP.com's Jeremy Parrish commented that, barring if it were not for scenes where in which Lightning showed shows a thoughtful side, she was is "your typical, sullen [Square Enix] protagonist"."
  • "GamesRadar's Carolyin Gudmundson was unenthusiastic,: she opined opining that, while Lightning's narrative had has its points merits, 'it certainly isn't above and beyond what we'd typically expect',. She later commenting commented that this lack of originality makes Lightning resulted in her coming off as 'one-dimensional and boring'."
  • "Simon Parkin of Eurogamer felt found that the game's story suffers suffered for lack of without the driving force of Lightning's single-track single-minded determination driving the pace."
  • "In By contrast, Parkin commented that some of the game's certain side quests, such as herding sheep or helping find retrieving a girl's lost doll, helped to humanize Lightning and make her likable,. Similarly, while Destructoid's Dale North found that the costumes and dialogue available lightened her character,: he argued that these elements make her less making her 'not so 'flat and lifeless now, which is a big improvement.'"

Once these are done and I've followed up, we should be finished. Thanks for your cooperation during this long review. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 00:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All done and addressed, I think. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Image review - Passed
--PresN 22:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done my best with all three. If the source for the main infobox image is not adequate, that can be sorted, I think. Image resize was easy enough, expanding the fair use was a bit more challenging. I also added sources for the other two images. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, now passed. --PresN 23:55, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jaguar[edit]

Sorry for coming to this late. I think that all of the prose issues have already been addressed as reading through most of the article concludes no issues. I'll support this transition from GA to FA as the prose is flawless. However there was only one thing that confused me: Jaguar 12:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done my best with that. I think, given the nature of the question that statement was part of an answer to, that they meant in approaching her depiction and characterization rather than physically approaching her. I've adjusted it accordingly. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:15, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Tezero[edit]

Nothing major.

Tezero (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All sorted as best as I could. Thanks for catching those Oxford comma mistakes. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • Fixed it for you; you can't nest references directly, but if you use the ((efn))/((notelist)) templates, you can. --PresN 19:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. That should be all the problems fixed, unless I missed something. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilinking isn't the same as external linking - you've now got some publication titles linked externally, some linked internally, and some not linked at all, and it isn't consistent (for example, sometimes Famitsu is linked and other times not). Nikkimaria (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria, I've fixed the external links and the Famitsu links, I think. But I can't link all of them sites used in references without leaving red links. Should I just remove the links outright? --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If no article exists about the site, it's fine not to link it - this point is mostly concerned with consistency regarding linking of the same publication (ie. Famitsu should be either always linked or always not linked). Nikkimaria (talk) 16:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria I've done a spotcheck, and it seems to be alright, with the only detections being deliberate quotes or repeats of the names of games. There is a url (3djuegos.com/foros/tema/33612126/21/especial-la-batalla-de-las-estrellas) that's at 82.4% violation, but it isn't part of the article. I don't understand. Other than that, I've gone through the references again and.... I think the rest of the issues have been sorted. I really, really hope this can be finished successfully. --ProtoDrake (talk) 23:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria, please could you give me a verdict some time, or tell me what else needs doing? I'm getting very nervous about this article. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:07, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hey ProtoDrake, source review is done, you're waiting for the delegates to either pass the article or tell you what else it needs to pass. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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