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The article was promoted by Ealdgyth via FACBot (talk) 20 July 2020 [1].


Meteorological history of Hurricane Dorian[edit]

Nominator(s): NoahTalk 22:39, 7 June 2020 (UTC) and ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs}[reply]

This article is about the meteorological history of Hurricane Dorian. This is one of many articles written about the powerful storm that stalled over the Bahamas at peak intensity and made at least eight total landfalls. I have renominated it per the request of a few project members. NoahTalk 22:39, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

  • @Buidhe: This likely means that your browser's width is significantly larger than mine. NoahTalk 10:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly, but featured articles should also follow the MOS for a variety of reasonable browser settings. buidhe 10:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some articles won't have leads large enough to avoid "sandwiching" the infobox. I believe this article to be one of those cases because it isn't particularly large. NoahTalk 20:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by JavaHurricane[edit]

Doing. JavaHurricane 09:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Having sorted out things, I am doing the review now. Sorry for the delay. JavaHurricane 03:47, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It said "all but ceased" as the intensification that did occur was very slow and only involved a pressure drop of a few mbar. NoahTalk 10:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately it is OR to assume it was a hurricane at that time even though we know it was. The NHC said 15:30 UTC, so that means we can't say it was a hurricane at 15:29:59 or before without adding OR. NoahTalk 10:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changed as it says in the Bahamas later in text. NoahTalk 10:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good otherwise! JavaHurricane 05:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Hurricannehink[edit]

Done. NoahTalk 21:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just changed the mention for the season. NoahTalk 21:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. NoahTalk 21:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Changed the lead to state when it became a TD and a TS. I removed that bit about the windwards. NoahTalk 21:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed and did a minor mod for the second. NoahTalk 22:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. NoahTalk 22:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done.. NoahTalk 22:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would rather leave that in Dorian's preparations since there wasn't really a "track error" and large location changes here. NoahTalk 22:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This shows that Dorian moved just east of the island. NoahTalk 22:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All in all, a good read, well-researched, and well-cited. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: I believe I have addressed your concerns. Let me know if there is anything else NoahTalk 22:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support!Hurricanehink (talk) 00:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Airborne84[edit]

Did a quick run-through. Reads nicely. Will return in a bit to finish. In the meantime, only one note below:

  • @Airborne84: Thanks! I have added your suggestion. Let me know if there is anything else. NoahTalk 21:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The good news is with that level of detail I don't have much left for you as far as comments for the article. Airborne84 (talk) 01:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Airborne84: I think I took care of the citation and all the dashes that needed to be addressed. NoahTalk 01:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I won't second-guess Buidhe on the images, but the sources look good and the prose reads well. I also like the records section that appears to be above and beyond that of other FAs of this type. Well done. Airborne84 (talk) 04:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@FAC coordinators: Should this be added to the urgents list to get another review? I know two usually isn't enough. I put in a request for a source review a while ago as well. NoahTalk 20:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note[edit]

Adding this to the urgents list... --Ealdgyth (talk) 15:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And it needs a source review... like so many others... --Ealdgyth (talk) 13:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ealdgyth: Did something happen? I notice an unusually large backlog. NoahTalk 00:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No idea but I may have to return to source reviews, which will slow down promotions ... which isn't good.. --Ealdgyth (talk) 00:49, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ealdgyth: The page really exploded since you commented here... and the list of needed SRs was obliterated. NoahTalk 15:20, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SG review (Support)[edit]

Reviewing June 22 version. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed everything above this comment. NoahTalk 19:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Noah, you did more NBSPing than I care about ... the way I see it, Wikipedia software should solve the dates and not expect us to! I only asked for after Category, but you went all the way ;). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:49, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would moving the images down to the second paragraph be a possible fix to this problem? NoahTalk
  • Yes, that would work ... I was just trying to help you find a solution to the broader problem, as this often happens. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, basics out of the way, looking now at prose:

  • Not really unusual at all. It happens frequently if conditions are favorable. Some storms skip the depression phase altogether. The most recent example of this is the currently active TS Fay. NoahTalk 22:05, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarified it was relaxing wind shear... Also, wind shear is linked at the start of that paragraph in the lead. NoahTalk 22:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extratropical cyclones occur all the time across the world and are unnamed spare the European wind storms and the occasional winter nor'easter (the latter is unofficially named). NoahTalk 22:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gave a brief explanation. NoahTalk 22:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the United States Virgin Islands, it made landfall over St. Croix at 15:30 UTC and St. Thomas at 18:00 UTC.
  • It would then cause issues with the part about it strengthening into a Cat 1 storm at the same time. NoahTalk 22:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added this in as the second sentence. NoahTalk 22:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added a note for the one part. NoahTalk 22:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all ... the writing is competent and I like how the language is varied. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:16, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The prose adjustments are excellent, and you have a fine way with words, Noah ... I know it can be hard to vary the wording in hurricane articles, and I think you've done a nice job, and have expeditiously addressed all my queries. I rarely support articles, particularly if I don't know the topic well, but I find it quite disturbing that a well prepared and FAC-ready article had to sit here for two months without reviewers engaging, so in compensation for whatever is causing other reviewers to avoid hurricanes, you have my SUPPORT. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the review, SandyGeorgia! NoahTalk 23:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done[edit]

  • What are you meaning by this? NoahTalk 01:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the citations are formatted using a template - eg ((cite web)) - but then in Records there's at least one that isn't. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That should be fixed. NoahTalk 15:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed several. NoahTalk 15:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Nikkimaria: as I understand the Hurricane article structure, impact is covered in a different article. I think? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which article? I would anticipate that meteorology-specific impact could appropriately be included here... Nikkimaria (talk) 00:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • From what I have read, the meteorological impact causes effects that are felt elsewhere. In this case, the Gulf Stream flow reduction led to increased coastal sea levels. It would be best to discuss this either on the main article and/or the effects of Dorian in X (wherever it caused the sea level increase). The sea level increase caused by the disruption of the Gulf Stream may have had some impact on land (low-lying for example), sealife, beaches, etc.. I'm just pointing out examples of possibilites. NoahTalk 01:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: I believe everything has either been fixed or addressed. NoahTalk 15:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral by CPA-5[edit]

I just was looking here around and found this article. Nothing special like with other hurricane articles before I wanted to have a review before it closes. I then found something strange. Why is this written in American English? The Hurricane Dorian was the worst hurricane the Bahamas ever had. There's no policy (as far as I'm familiar with) about what to do with multi-English speaking countries unless Commonwealth countries but that's not the case. Per MOS:TIES "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation." 74 people died and 245 were missing in that country while the US had only 10 deads and none missing? And if we look at the costs then we get this the Bahamas got $3.4 billion while the US had only ≥$1.2 billion. If I look at the numbers and the sentence "Hurricane Dorian was the strongest hurricane to affect the Bahamas on record, causing catastrophic damage in the Abaco Islands and Grand Bahama in early September 2019." in the article then I have the feeling that the Bahamas has a "closer tie" then the US had in this event. I believe it should be written in Commonwealth English. I disagree to see the usage of American English in this article without a good reason. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CPA-5: It's not like the USA did not get any impacts either and as bad as Dorian was in the Bahamas, the American impact was also significant. Plus, the Regional Specialized Meteorological Center, the NHC, speaks in American English and this article is emphatically not about the impacts the storm had, but its history, which was documented primarily by the (American) NHC. TIES is not applicable here.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@CPA-5: This is just the meteorological article. The ties for it would have to go to the United States since the National Hurricane Center is the one reporting on the storm. I don't disagree that Commonwealth English should be used, but it belongs in the Effects of Hurricane Dorian in The Bahamas and possibly the Caribbean one too rather than here. NoahTalk 21:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm okay then but does the NHC use MM/DD/YYYY or like the military and some other US departments DD/MM/YYYY? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 12:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • NHC uses MM/DD/YYYY for their public watches and warnings, but use DD/MM/YYYY internally. NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done since it is an adjective. NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Must have forgotten to add the disp=flip here. Scientists only use degrees C and Kelvin for their measurements. NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe remove celsius this sentence reapets the conversion from the this sentence "temperatures near or over 84 °F (29 °C)" before. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @CPA-5: The first one was discussing a forecast of temperatures NEAR or ABOVE that value while the one in the other section shows that the forecast checked out and that the temperatures were at 29C (not near or above). NoahTalk 22:28, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No reason to bust the abbreviation here as it conforms with other articles. NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added sigfig=1 so it removes the extra .01 meters. NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess that was a remnant from before the NHC trimmed the extratropical portion of the track.. ie they determined it wasn't Dorian at that point. NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately, that one citation is the only way to prove it was the fifth TC, fourth named storm, 2nd hu, etc.. NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 12:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CPA-5: How does that look? NoahTalk 14:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Jasper Deng[edit]

There are numerous problems that must be fixed with the prose, however:

  • Unfortunately, the TCR doesn't give lots of detail while the advisory discussions help on that end. Articles like this would not get off the ground primarily using one source. NoahTalk 22:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Specified the shear came from the southwest. NoahTalk 22:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • changed to a less strong word. NoahTalk 22:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarified what direction. NoahTalk 22:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed both of those words and split the winds and pressure into two sentences. NoahTalk 22:53, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moved this to before the recon plan sentence. NoahTalk 22:53, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moved the one-sentence up. NoahTalk 22:56, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:49, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by MaranoFan[edit]

No problems I can see with the article, great prose and it was engaging throughout. Great work here! Just one minor comment, at least one repetition of intensity in the sentence "after Dorian rapidly intensified to its peak intensity, it broke numerous intensity records" can be reduced, if it is changed to "after Dorian reached peak intensity, it broke numerous intensity records". Cheers.--NØ 16:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC) @MaranoFan:[reply]

I modified it slightly. Changed the second intensity part to strength. NoahTalk 17:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MaranoFan and Hurricane Noah: "peak intensity" is the term used in academic discussions, while "strength" is less academic. "Rapidly intensified" is also an academic term, but I'd rather it be replaced by "rapidly strengthened". But also, the RI is hardly relevant to the record itself so I recommend it just be omitted. This would allow for using a more active voice with "Dorian's peak intensity set numerous intensity records" or something similar.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. NoahTalk 22:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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