Comments
- How leads read for FLs has now changed, so it should need to start something like "Aston Vila Football Club is..." or something. But that's basically already there with the second paragraph, so what needs doing is a bit of reordering.
- "InterToto Cup" - "Intertoto".
- Also, the link is wrong.
- No needed for "Winners" beside it, as it says this directly below.
- "1981(shared)" - "1981 (shared)"
- Maybe when the club was runner-up in a competition could be included in the "Honours" section?
- All dates need unlinking, I found this out myself a few days ago.
- I'd put "against" rather than "v.".
- How many caps did Steve Staunton get? And who for?
- Maybe "Record transfer fees" could be renamed "Record transfer fees paid" for clarity, despite there being no section for record fees received.
- Need some full stops in the "Managerial records" section.
- References needed for "First manager/secretary of the club" and "Most successful manager".
- "in 1930–31 season" - "in the 1930–31 season", which needs doing for the rest of the seasons.
- "Division One / 1969–70" - perhaps "Division One and the 1969–70" instead?
- First League Cup match?
- "League: 69,492" - "League game: 69,492".
- "Cup game: 76,588" - "FA Cup game: 76,588".
- "the European Cup which" - comma needed
- Think it would look better if the contents of the "Round", "Country", "Home result" and "Away results" columns were centralised.
- A key is needed to clarify what each of the rounds are.
- "Record by Competition" - "Competition" doesn't need to be capitalised.
- "Correct as of 29 July, 2008" - out of date I assume?
- Maybe this table could be made sortable?
- "For" and "Against" are a bit unclear - "Goals for" and "Goals against" instead?
A fair bit. Think a peer review would have been best. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't get your winners comment. In terms of dates, it is still optional until our MOS warriors stop warring over at MOSNUM, so it isn't obligatory to unlink just yet. (v.) is a common and well-used term and is used in other FLs. I think including runner-up would cramp it somewhat, and isn't that important, and potentially devalues the "Winner" links due to it being cramped. The / is used in a number of places and is used for consistency (and is perfectly valid grammatically). The League Cup match was already there (v. Huddersfield) but an unclosed ref tag was hiding it. Only thing outstanding is aligning the columns, I am not sure about them, waiting for further input from other reviewers. Woody (talk) 15:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
More comments Fair enough with those you haven't chosen to do, they were more of personal opinion. But we'll see on the alignment issue eventually.
- What I'm referring to is "Intertoto Cup Winners" - the "Winners" seems redundant when it says they won it directly below.
- Full stop needed after "for the Republic of Ireland".
- Ref 44 needs converting into a footnote.
- The "Total" row in the "Record by competition" needs to be made unsortable.
- I think this table should also have its contents aligned in the centre, but you can wait for what others think.
- Perhaps a "Record by location" table could be added?
Cheers. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done the Intertoto, done full stop, done ref 43, made unsortable. How do you mean record by location? I can't see any in any other stats FLs? Villa have only ever been at Villa Park since 1896... Woody (talk) 16:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I assume you're in the process of getting those done. And this is what I'm talking about. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, apologies, I had done them in a different tab and forgot to save! Is records by location that neccessary? I am sure I could rustle one up, just not sure that it is that informative? I will see what other reviewers think. Thanks for all your time. Woody (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: Added in the runners up into the Honours section now, thanks. Woody (talk) 19:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
More comments Not far off now.
- "League titles" should just be "League" now.
- I'd say using reference [4] after the final honours of the different sections is a bit redundant with it being provided at the end of the sententce at the beginning of the section.
- "Charity Shield" - should be changed to "Community Shield".
- Could the "Record transfer fees paid" table be made sortable?
- Do you know the "Record League Cup win"?
- Or the "Record League Cup defeat" or "Record European defeat"?
- Don't think reference [37] mentions their attendance against Liverpool being their record Premier League attendance.
- Could you find the highest attendances at Villa Park in the League Cup or in Europe?
- Or the lowest attendance at Villa Park in the Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup or Europe?
- The figures in the "Total" row of the "Record by competition" table could be bolded.
Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 22:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done League, removed redundant referencing, haven't changed the Charity Shield as it was been called the Charity Shield when they won it, made table sortable, added League Cup win and European defeat, done the bolded totals, switched the ref to programme notes which took me a while to find in my loft. I haven't been able to find the records for the other ones. I could go through the records for each season, but that would be synthesis/OR as it I cannot find them explicitly stated anywhere, and I could get it wrong. Regards. Woody (talk) 23:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "4&ndash1" needs fixing for the "Record European defeat" you added. Fair enough with the Community Shield. Could any of your Villa books explicity state the "Record League Cup defeat", or the record highest/lowest attedances? Mattythewhite (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Woody's away at the minute, I fixed the 4-1 typo though, Struway2 (talk) 15:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No they don't; believe me, I have looked! One of the books has all of the records at the back over 4 pages so that is easy to check. I have gone through the A-Z book and cannot find any of the record attendances broken down by competition. That information simply isn't available to me through printed media, and the internet has proved paritcularly barren when it comes to finding reliable sources (or even unreliable ones) that state any of those requested. There simply is nowhere else available to me to look at. Regards. Woody (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- More comments
- Reference needed for the "Record European win".
- Reference [35] needs converting into a footnote.
- Could the record League Cup defeat not be worked out using FCHD?
- "UEFA CUP" - "CUP" doesn't need to be capitalised.
- My opinion is it seems quite "wonky" really to have the highest attendances in three competitions and only the lowest in one competition. I'd consider only having the record highest and record lowest for equality, but that's upto you really.
Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 21:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done the first 4, though I suspect the FCHD crosses into the murky WP:SYN/WP:OR boundary, though I think it is an acceptable source. In terms of the attendances, I don't think symmetry is a neccessity here. Personally, I think the larger the number of those records available, the better. It includes all the available information, though I do understand your viewpoint. (Sorry for the late replies but I went away for the week). Thanks again for the time you have spent reviewing this. Regards. Woody (talk) 22:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]