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The list was promoted by Giants2008 10:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

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Laurel and Hardy filmography[edit]

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Nominator(s): Jimknut (talk) 21:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because Laurel and Hardy are among the best loved movie comedians of all time. Therefore they deserve an outstanding filmography. The peer review for this list has now been archived. I put this one together using the previously available version and put the films into chronological order with cited notes and a significant introduction. Take a look and give me some advice if you can to bring it up to featured list standard. Jimknut (talk) 21:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll pick up on this shortly (very glad to see this here, but was also a bit disappointed, as I had plans to work on this list at some point!)

• Is there a reason why there is a non-free image at the top, rather than a free one? - SchroCat (talk) 19:57, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Commons does not have a decent picture of the duo. The one I used also appears on the main page and is therefore an appropriate picture. Actually, I don't see why it is listened as non-free when it is clearly a publicity portrait from the 1920s or 1930s and those are considered to be in the public domain. Jimknut (talk) 15:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• File:Laurel and Hardy in Lucky Dog.jpg is free, and we should use free images in lieu of non-free ones where available. Since then, oppose until images are brought in line with guidelines. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I've uploaded more here, and the Commons cat is full of pictures (including some that are quite nice, like File:Laurel and Hardy in Any Old Port.jpg this). Again, no policy-based reason to use FU here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Still from Any Old Port! now on page. Jimknut (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments from SchroCat

• Not sure we need two very short paras to open: these are related enough to be run together.
  • Now put together.
• "hall tour of England, Ireland, and Scotland": could just be "hall tour of Great Britain"
  • Changed.
• Is there something we could add that explains the difference between a "short" and a "feature"? Even as a footnote this would prove useful, especially as the text states "all short film are two reels in length", while there are entries in the table for shorts that are three or four reels long
  • The second opening sentences reads: "Together they appeared together in 34 silent shorts, 45 sound shorts, and 27 full-length sound feature films." Note that there are hyperlinks to "silent film", "short film", "sound film", and "feature film". I think this should be sufficient.
  • The opening text of the filmography section reads: "except where noted, all short film are two reels in length." "Reel" is hyperlinked.
    • It's OK for this, but I think a footnote explaining the difference between a short and a feature could be useful. Is there a definition of where the line is drawn between the two? - SchroCat (talk) 19:29, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Any reason why "20th Century Fox" is hyphenated in the table notes?
  • Fixed (hyphen removed).
• "Foreign-language versions" section: "sound" and "lost" are both duplicate links from the earlier text
  • Hyperlinks removed.
• FNs 2 and 78: shouldn't "The Laurel and Hardy Magazine" be italicised?
  • Fixed. Italicized and two identical footnotes merged into one.

Nice work - SchroCat (talk) 12:49, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All good - just a small point of possible improvement, but your call whether you decide to incorporate it or not. - SchroCat (talk) 19:29, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I added some footnotes. Jimknut (talk) 19:28, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support; thanks for the final tweak - it's perfect: just enough information to cover the question without people having to go to different articles to find it out. I've tweaked slightly to show which Academy you are talking about. All good otherwise. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 08:48, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Ruhrfisch comments - I became aware of this at peer review and think it is pretty close to FL quality. I have made some copyedits to the article, and the following are some questions / comments I have.

• The fair use lead image needs to have a Fair Use rationale for its inclusion in this article (in addition to the rationale already there for its use in the main L&H article)?
  • Fixed. Free picture now used.
    • I made File:Laurel and Hardy (from Bonnie Scotland).jpg, which is also free and in color and tried that as the lead image. Feel free to revert if you prefer the previous black and white free image. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Should the lead mention that 10 of the (early) films they appeared in together were made before they became a team?
  • The lead states: "Laurel and Hardy officially became a team the following year, in the silent short film The Second Hundred Years (1927)." In the actual list we can see that The Second Hundred Years is the 11th film. I think it's a safe bet that most people who use Wikipedia can count that high.
    • While I do not doubt that people can count to 20, 27, 34, 45, or 106 either, these numbers are given in the lead. This count still seems to me like information that would be useful in the lead, perhaps just add the word "eleventh" as in Laurel and Hardy officially became a team the following year, in the[ir eleventh] silent short film The Second Hundred Years (1927)." Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay, I changed it. Jimknut (talk) 20:02, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Also in the lead, could the word "silent" be added for clarification here? Stan Laurel (1890–1965) and Oliver Hardy (1892–1957) were established as film comedians prior to their teaming, with Laurel appearing in over 50 [silent] films and Hardy in over 250.
  • Fixed
• Would it help to somehow clarify here that Hardy had died three years before In 1960, Laurel was presented with an Honorary Academy Award "for his creative pioneering in the field of cinema comedy."[12]
  • The years of Hardy's birth and death (1892-1957) were established earlier in the introduction. I'm sure people can figure out that by 1960 he had been dead for three years.
• Since "Atoll K" is also known as "Utopia", should that be noted here??
  • I don't think it's needed as Atoll K is hyperlinked in both the intro and the film list. In the latter the notes stated that it was also known as Utopia. Jimknut (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have switched to support, above. Nicely done. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Support – This is a very good article and worthy of FL status. Nicely done! -- Cassianto^Talk 08:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

*Comments from Crisco 1492: Are you keeping track of alternative titles? Bonnie Scotland had at least one alternate title, and other films may as well. Any thoughts on including a link to the full film of The Lucky Dog (on Commons as File:Laurel and Hardy - The Lucky Dog (1921).ogv) Try to avoid redirects. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks to everyone for the support. Link to Lucky Dog video has now been added. I'll keep an eye out for alternate titles and redirects but I think I fixed all of the latter. Jimknut (talk) 17:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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