List of Ipswich Town F.C. players

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 10 days, 10 support, 0 oppose. Promote. Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the usual. A really useful peer review has provided me with the confidence to bring this article to the scrutiny of the community. Based on any featured list of football club players you care to choose. Thanks for your time and energy. The Rambling Man 16:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ Just a few comments.

A few names need correcting to include accents and the whole foreign symbols, e.g. Pablo Counago, Amir Karic.
Hopefully fixed. Although having said that, fixing redirects isn't required. But no problem, makes the page more accurate, thanks. The Rambling Man 20:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Pablo Counago and Tommy Miller have had more than one spell at the club.
Indeed, and their time is now fixed. The Rambling Man 20:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The "Forward" links link to "Striker (football)", which leads to "Striker". Should probably be fixed to "Striker". Not that it really matters, just seems like a FL should have that done..
Dab solved The Rambling Man 20:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good work so far. Mattythewhite 19:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments Matty. The Rambling Man 20:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Changes made. Good work. Mattythewhite 20:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, and Alan Lee's link needs changing. Mattythewhite 20:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks for fixing it Matty...The Rambling Man 07:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support another great Ipswich article, following a great template ;) Everlast¹⁹¹⁰ 22:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, the peer review is not yet archived, and I would like to see all points there addressed first. – Ilse @ 09:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The peer review is still not archieved!
Archived. The Rambling Man 19:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Generally the list provides a lot of information and I think the list has a good chance to become a featured list. I still have some suggestions before I'll to vote for or against this candidacy. I think the sentence "Finally, all players inducted into the Ipswich Town Hall of Fame, whose inaugural members were selected in 2007 by a ballot of former Ipswich players, are included." should be removed entirely, because these four players are already included by the 100 matches rule. I think the picture of one single player should be removed because this list isn't about him alone.
This caters for future entrants to the Hall of Fame that don't meet the 100 game criterion. It's no big deal. The Rambling Man 19:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in keeping with all other similar FL's it's fine to include images of those people are most significant. Otherwise all FL's will be image-less and that seems a little pointless. The Rambling Man 19:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the data in the list should be verified, because there were made some mistakes (as discovered during the peer review).
Checking nearly complete. The Rambling Man 19:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, I found an independent resource, the A-Z, which now reflects the statistics. The Rambling Man 19:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The list should also be checked for completeness.
By whom? The Rambling Man 19:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, the list introduction still needs copyediting. – Ilse @ 19:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No-one else seems to have raised any issues with the introduction so I don't really see a problem. The Rambling Man 19:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support An excellent list. Probably the most comprehensive football player list I've seen. Dave101→talk 10:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Placeholder comment pending resolution of some comments left at article talk page. Sorry I missed the PR. --Dweller 11:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support All my concerns addressed. Congrats. --Dweller 16:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from Struway2

;Comment (from Struway2 (talk · contribs)

I think you should reinstate the hatnote For all ITFC players with a Wikipedia article ... see Category:..., as per featured lists List of Arsenal F.C. players and recently-promoted List of Gillingham F.C. players, or else include the category link and the current squad link in the prose of the lead section, as per featured lists List of Manchester United F.C. players and List of Liverpool F.C. players. Either way, I feel strongly that this link should appear at the top of the page where it can be seen and where it will be useful to the general reader.
Yeah, the pitfalls of "put it in", "take it out", "put it in", "take it out"... peer review vs FLC opinions. I'll add something back in, and hope it reaches a good compromise! The Rambling Man 13:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me Struway2 - Talk 13:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On what basis does a player qualify for the captaincy column? For instance, in the 1960s, you have Baxter 63-71, McNeil 64-65, Lea 65-67, similarly in the 1980s with Sedgley and Williams - why were there apparently two or three at the same time?
I'll explain that when I get home tonight... The Rambling Man 13:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ten or more games in a season constitutes "captain" in this case, note added to that effect. The Rambling Man 16:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Was anyone captain in 1946?
I (currently) have no source to indicate that. I'll keep looking, I have one more iron in my fire... ~~
Players with <100 apps - presumably (by process of elimination) players such as Karic, Twamley, Bruce are in the list because they have international caps won while at the club. Do you think it might be worth putting notes in the list to explain that? - one of your peer reviewers felt the need to ask why such players were there, so it may not be obvious to everyone.
Yes, and also it was questioned on the talkpage by Dweller (talk · contribs). I've explained it to him too, you're right, it's by elimination alone that these players can be deemed as included by virtue of their national appearances at the club. I could colour code or add a note for each player, that may be over the top, what do you think? The Rambling Man 13:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'll colour code the country cell, would that do the trick? The Rambling Man 13:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
sounds sensible, presumably you'd colour for all players capped while at the club? Struway2 - Talk 13:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly that. Another job for this evening... The Rambling Man 13:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Coloured pastel pink. The Rambling Man 16:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At peer review you said you were going to re-check the player appearance figures, please would you confirm when you've had chance to do so.
Yes, that'll be concluded this evening (i.e. when I'm not at work!) The Rambling Man 13:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that'll do for now ;) Struway2 - Talk 12:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for that "little" lot, I'll get cracking... The Rambling Man 13:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~;further comment~~

Players with <100 apps (again). You say "However, some players who have played fewer matches are also included. This includes ... players who have set a club playing record, such as appearance or goalscoring records." What appearance record is a player having played fewer than 100 matches likely to have set? Struway2 - Talk 11:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rephrased to talk about transfer fee records. The Rambling Man 12:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support (assuming you have now rechecked the appearance figures and are spending every spare moment looking for the 1946 captain, that is ;-)) Well done. Struway2 | Talk 14:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Excellent work. Surprised to see that John Wark appears to have transformed into Ming the Merciless in recent years, though.... ;-) ChrisTheDude 13:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa, he's a hero. He may now resemble Ming, but his eyebrows aren't quite there yet... The Rambling Man 17:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Conditional~~ Support: Since "Name" is a sortable column, could the names all be in the format "[[Schmoe, Joe|Joe Schmoe]]"? That would make sorting the column more user-friendly. Otherwise list looks great! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I get that... Joe Schmoe's article is at Joe Schmoe, not Schmoe, Joe.... am I missing the point? The Rambling Man 13:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, the names do sort by surname, if that's what you're after...? The Rambling Man 14:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry - I think I made that code wrong. The point is to be able to sort by last name, which is usually what people are after. So the correct code would be "[[Joe Schmoe|Schmoe, Joe]]". -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It does sort by surname, that is what the ((sortname)) template does. Woodym555 14:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Yeah, I was about to say that. Plus none of the other WP:FOOTBALL featured lists use the "surname, first name" approach, and I was aiming for a consistent approach there. Is that reasonable? The Rambling Man 14:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doh. Never mind. Support :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I was one of the peer reviewers and it has been improved even since that comprehensive review. It follows the precedent of other player lists. Meets all the criteria. Well done. (i prefer the category hatnote but thats me.) Woodym555 18:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Can't some sort of elad image be added? Circeus 03:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know what an "elad image" is but I've added a picture of John Wark that a Flickr editor generously provided. The Rambling Man 08:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry for my typo. I meant "lead", obviously :p Circeus 21:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - No worries. Either way, there's an image there now so is that all of your concerns addressed? The Rambling Man 21:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]