- "Deeper fences in old ballparks, such as Pittsburgh's Forbes Field and Detroit's Tiger Stadium, also produced fewer home runs and more triples on well-hit balls. As a result, most of the players on this list have been retired for decades." - Needs reference
I'll see if one can be found. Do you mean a reference that the ballparks were bigger, or that the sized caused more triples? The former is easy enough, but the latter seems self-evident. --Coemgenus 03:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC) I found a cite that should work for both. --Coemgenus 03:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "...his Detroit Tigers teammate..." Needs reference
- You mean I need to reference the fact that they both played for the Tigers at the same time? --Coemgenus 03:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep. This can easily be source from Baseball-Reference, or elsewhere. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure it needs a reference. Would anyone dispute it? A look at either man's article would show that they were teammates on the Tigers from 1905 to 1917. --Coemgenus 03:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Laugh out loud. Referencing Wikipedia article are not allowed. You have to reference everything on the article, and all the references need to be cited on the References section. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 04:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Laugh all you want, I still maintain that not every fact in an article needs a reference. The featured list criteria certainly don't require it. --Coemgenus 13:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That is certainly true, but having a source is better than not having one, as readers can reference check. Like I said, Wikipedia articles cannot be sources for Wikipedia articles. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 17:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) Could anyone beside Coemgenus comment on this? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Never mind. Cross that out. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Some older sources give Crawford's career total as 312." Which other sources? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Hall of Fame still does, for example: [2]. MLB.com and Baseball-Reference.com both give the updated total, arrived at after statistics were given a more thorough review. Should I add that to the footnote? There's quite a bit of citation already. Coemgenus 01:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It could be like "Some sources, like the Baseball Hall of Fame, give Crawford's career total as 312." or something similar with the citation after it. Could you find any more reliable sources that indicate 312? That will be great! -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I added the HOF page to the cite. It's hard to find a more reliable source for inaccurate information. Coemgenus 01:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- IMO, the rank column should be taken out, as it is the same as the number of triples column. Would it be possible to tell when the players got their 100th triple?
- It does arrange the list in the same way, but I think people would like to know where players rank, not just how many triples they have. --Coemgenus 03:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Cross the first part. What about the second? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe, but I haven't found a book or website that lists it. Perhaps by looking into box scores day by day, one could figure it out for the players in the modern era (when better records exist) but even that would probably be original research, and would certainly be more work that I would want to do. --Coemgenus 03:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) After searching Baseball-Reference and Retrosheet, it's pretty impossible to find when the players hit 100 3Bs. I think the best way of finding them is by searching news sources like NY Times, LA Times, Boston Herald, etc., but that will be too bothersome, so no bother wasting a load of time in one column. Would be nice if you could somehow add additional columns onto the table, since it looks very thin. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree it looks thin, but to have sortability it must be all in one column. I couldn't think of anything relevant to add that would widen it, and I didn't want to add extraneous information just for appearances (not to mention that it might only appear too thin on some monitors and not others). If you have any suggestions of relevant info, I'd be glad to consider it. Coemgenus 01:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I think inserting the years of which they completed the 100 triples is definitely possible, as it is on all the players' Baseball-Reference pages. Any thoughts? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure. I think it verges on original research. Does anyone else have an opinion? Coemgenus 02:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether we choose to add another column of info or not, do you think the list meets the criteria? Coemgenus 16:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You said to me you used that ref to show a player was active. Perhaps just include their last active year in the list if there's a consensus to include a "timeframe" for when these records were achieved. It's relevant as you said in the lead how it used to occur so much more back-in-the-day than it does now? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That makes good sense.
Should I just add their last year, or would the MLB debut year make sense, too? Coemgenus 16:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC) I added both years. Coemgenus 18:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You should denote what the columns mean, since readers may not understand. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I revised the headings -- should be clearer now. Coemgenus 20:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) Now how about adding the year in which they got the 100th? I would volunteer to insert it if you would like. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I still think it's borderline original research, and now that their career dates are added, I'm not sure how much it adds. Coemgenus 20:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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