I think the reason it's still ordered by date of ceremony is that the last one is still ((pending)). After August 1, when the Hugo Award ceremony takes place, we can order it alphabetically. However, we could still do it now. El Millo (talk) 18:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is it required to make this FL? If it yes, I'd do it right now. Surge_Elec (talk) 18:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think it has to be ordered alphabetically for achieving FL? Surge_Elec (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've started the process of ordering the awards alphabetically. Surge_Elec (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
DONE. I have ordered it alphabetically. Surge_Elec (talk) 20:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The sorting in the recipient(s) columns needs a lot of fixing. Anything starting with a " needs to sort on the first actual word. People's names need to sort based on surname, not forename. Also, the sort order in the result column is Won > Runner-up > Pending > Nominated. I would suggest that "Pending" should sort at the bottom.
That's all I found - good work overall! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:59, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kindly clarify
"People's names need to sort based on surname, not forename." So, Dan DeLeeuw, Matt Aitken, Russell Earl, and Dan Sudick would be changed to Matt Aitken, Dan DeLeeuw, Russell Earl, and Dan Sudick.
At one place right now, Mark Ruffalo is first, then Josh Brolin. So, Josh Brolin would come first.
No, you don't need to change the order of the names in the cell, but any cell that contains the name of one or more people needs to sort based on the person (or first person)'s surname. So if the cell contains the name Mark Ruffalo (or contains multiple names but lists his first), that cell needs to sort under R, not under M as it does currently. To achieve this you will need to use a sorting template (see WP:SORT#Specifying a sort key for a cell)
Anything starting with a " needs to sort on the first actual word: I didn't get it.
Can you show what you mean? So what would this change to: "Payoff One-Sheet" (LA/Lindeman Associates)
A cell that contains that text would need to sort under P. Currently all cells that start with a punctuation mark sort together at the top, which is wrong
Do you mean that these also need to be sorted alphabetically?
Hope my responses above clarify the situation -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One other thing I just noticed - the St. Louis Film Critics Association row has the recipient in the category column and the category in the recipient column -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed one sort value whic hyou had missed and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I support it as well. El Millo (talk) 04:34, 11 July 2020 (UTC) Withdrew support, as I didn't know this was supposed to come from people who had reviewed the article instead of editors who just supported the proposal. El Millo (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Something about using "(won)" when winning a sole nomination doesn't seem grammatically correct, and either way reads awkwardly. Perhaps "(which it won)" would be better.
Comicbook.com Not done Comicbook.com is a website and belongs in the |website= parameter, which italicizes its content automatically
AwardsCircuit Not done Same that Comicbook.com
What makes "Comics Beat" a trustworthy publication? Done
Us Weekly is a subpar source that should be avoided Done
Comment: You can discuss and decide and we can do accordingly. Surge_Elec (talk) 04:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Get through these, and we should be set. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:56, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dones, Not dones and Comments by El Millo (talk) 02:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
While I do appreciate how the article has improved, I'm not sure it's appropriate for you of all people to do so when you've already expressed support for the nomination. Either way, using codes to make fonts smaller is frowned upon for good reason, and that also shouldn't be used in other lists. It's easier to read the text without coding that decreases the size. The nominator should get a chance to address my comments. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the use of the ((small)) here template qualifies as sparingly, and it isn't being used in prose but within a table, which, if I understand correctly, at the very least isn't as frowned upon as using it in prose. List of accolades received by American Hustle and List of accolades received by 12 Years a Slave (film), two other featured list that use the ((small)) template in the same fashion; it seems to me this counts as common practice, as I've seen no featured list with parentheticals of this kind not wrapped within the ((small)) template. El Millo (talk) 03:38, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This I didn't understand. Kindly clarify. Surge_Elec (talk) 04:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is all in reference to the (also for Captain Marvel) and (also for Spider-Man: Far From Home) clarifications in the table. El Millo (talk) 04:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Ok. Regarding this, I thought it was fine as it is. If it isn't by Wikipedia standards, you can discuss and decide and we can do accordingly. Surge_Elec (talk) 04:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would remove the "small" code from parentheticals in the table. Also, I forgot to mention that being a website doesn't give something a free pass to be italicized. One can cancel those out by putting italic code in the "website"/"work" parameter, or simply use "publisher" in place of it. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SNUGGUMS: The decision to italicize website in templates such as ((Cite web)) comes from consensus at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 63#Italics of websites in citations and references – request for comment. You can't ask for wide community consensus to be overridden in order for this list to be "improved". Box Office Mojo, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic are exceptions to this, also agreed upon at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film/Archive 20#We should not be italicizing RT, MC and BOM. Also, I would remove the "small" code from parentheticals in the table, you didn't even acknowledge what I showed you, that every featured list I've come across that has these kind of parentheticals has them it a smaller font. The content of these reviews and the requests for improvement must come from policies, guidelines, and common practice found at other good-quality articles of the same kind. El Millo (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how I missed that bit in the DiCaprio list, and I probably didn't know of the MOS:FONTSIZE guideline back then, but I regardless did cite that guideline above for removing smaller font coding here and also previously mentioned that other lists shouldn't use that either in their tables. In other words, I did acknowledge it by saying they also shouldn't have implemented it. Just because other lists make a mistake in using something doesn't mean we should repeat that in this page. There is no convincing rationale to make things harder on readers' eyes by decreasing sizes from what they naturally would be. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Guidelines should reflect already existing common practices, and this is clearly a common practice. And it's not like this violates the guideline altogether, since the guideline isn't an outright prohibition of the use of a smaller font. This matter should probably be discussed somewhere else –perhaps in the WP:MOSFILMS–, but it shouldn't, as things stand right now, be an impediment to give this list the featured status, as it clearly hasn't been for all the examples that were listed here before. El Millo (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly a major impediment, but it still detracts from overall quality and it's beyond me why anybody seems to think smaller text is beneficial at all. On another note, when looking through the table, nominations for recipients such as Robert Downey Jr. and Josh Brolin are probably worth mentioning in prose when they got a bunch of those (including multiple wins) for their work in the film. Starting three consecutive sentences with "it" also gets repetitive after reading it again. I would prefer for Surge elec to work on this list in the future when neither of us nominated it for FL. The reviewers shouldn't do too much editing for things they're assessing. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On that last note: I thought the Supports weren't reviewers, just people that agreed with the proposal in order to get it reviewed. I'll continue with the edits and I'll withdraw my Support from up there. El Millo (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good call on withdrawing your own support when you were becoming increasingly involved with page contributions. As for me, I now support following improvements to lead and citations. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:38, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Went through the sources, couldn't find any missing dates, authors or publishers – good job with linking the publishers btw. The only thing I did find was that Dragoncon can probably be linked to Dragon Con? Either way, Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 05:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a list of the nominations for the 2019 Seattle Film Critics Society which also includes the actual people that were nominated for Best Visual Effects. I think it is better citation than the one listed for ref 49 since it mentions the actual people nominated.
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