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List of accolades received by Madras (film)[edit]

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Nominator(s): — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 09:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article provides a listing of the notable awards and nominations received by the 2014 Indian Tamil drama film, Madras starring Karthi and Catherine Tresa. This film is notable for garnering its cast and crew members several awards and nominations. It is my fourth attempt at a accolades FLC. Any constructive comments to improve this list are most welcome. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 09:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Pavanjandhyala

Finished watching the film just now. Found it slightly melodramatic, but that's okay. Well, on a formal note, i am going into the comments.

"It was produced by K. E. Gnanavel Raja under his banner Studio Green" -- I suggest you opt for "It was produced by K. E. Gnanavel Raja's Studio Green company". Not really adamant on this.

Good call anyhow. Changed as per your suggestion. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would have objected the listing of so many supporting characters, but they are integral to the plot. So, it works for me.
"The musical score was composed by Santhosh Narayanan while the cinematography and editing were respectively handled by Murali G and Praveen K. L.." -- Two points here.

What do you mean to say by musical score? Madras had no songs?

Changed to "soundtrack and score".

Please either introduce the editor first or write it as K. L. Praveen. Watching two fullstops back to back is sort of weird.

Praveen K. L. is his name and that's how it is listed in the credits. I don't know why he calls himself that. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Released on 26 September, Madras received positive critical feedback and box office success, becoming one of the most successful Tamil films of that year." -- We already know it is 2014. Why "that year" and why not "the year"?

Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"The film garnered awards and nominations in several categories, with particular praise for its direction, screenplay, performances of the cast members, music, and cinematography." -- If i give up writing and sound design, almost every department of the film is here. Add writing as a key aspect of direction and screenplay. Let us assume that the sound designer will work along with the music director. Now, what is the use of "particular" here?

Its actually to specify that the crew under their respective categories/professions are appreciated for their work on the film. But since you mentioned that almost every department of the film is here, which is correct, I have removed "particular". — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not compulsory, but numbers above ten are not usually written in words. We can use numbers.
In the last paragraph of the lead, except for Filmfare, i see you mention the heroine's last name. We introduced her in the lead. Why write Catherine Tresa again for Filmfare? Tresa is enough, isn't it?

Good point. Changed as per your suggestion. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We get that Madras is a Tamil film. Why mention Tamil in Filmfare awards? It is for granted that Tamil awards are given to Tamil actors, actresses and technicians. Please remove the word to avoid repetition; i see that everything is appropriately pipelinked there.

Changed as per your suggestion. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same for South. It is given only to one among the four industries and it is mentioned that the ceremony was Filmfare awards south.

Changed as per your suggestion. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"At the 9th Vijay Awards, it was nominated in fifteen categories and won in three..." -- Why "in" here? any featured inspiration?

Tweaked the sentence. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see this as a deliberate error. But read this line once: "Among other wins, the film received seven Ananda Vikatan Cinema Awards, six South Indian International Movie Awards and four Edison Awards." SIIMA ws mentioned above, wasn't it? Why again?

Good point. Changed as per your suggestion. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and Dablinks are fine.
To be honest, i should not comment on the image (as it was uploaded by me). But, given that many follow Bollywood Hungama's template and upload similar files in commons, i take the liberty to say the image is fine considering that an administrator/reviewer (Vensatry in this case) has verified it.

Okay. These comments are a result of an unbiased assessment of this list made by me to the best of my knowledge and skills with a sane mind. I expect the contributor or his friends or anyone in such capacity to resolve these comments or provide a proper explanation. I shall return in three days and am hopeful that the comments shall be addressed by then. Regards, ** Pavan Jandhyala ** 17:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Pavanjandhyala: I have hopefully resolved your comments, Pavan. Do let me know if there's anything at all. Thank you. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Three days have passed and all my concerns have been addressed. The list has my support. Regards, ** Pavan Jandhyala ** 07:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Pavanjandhyala: Thank you very much though, Pavan. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 08:14, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

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The term “his banner” sounds a little odd to me; I would use “his production company” or something along those lines to be more specific on exactly what is being described and introduced. Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] I would move the final sentences in the lead’s first paragraph about the film’s plot before listing all of the actors involved to better situate a reader who is unfamiliar with the film. You would have to revise the wikilinking and introduction of the actors if this is done. Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] As someone who has never heard of this film, I was a little confused by the sentences on the plot. How does Kaali intend to avenge his friend’s death? What are the two political parties involved in this film? A little clarification on these two things would be very helpful here. It is actually two factions of a single political party which are arguing over a wall to establish their so-called supremacy. I have explained a bit more. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] Is the part about Kaali being an IT professional really necessary? Is it important to the film’s plot? It seems rather trivial, and it would seem to be more beneficial to expand on the main conflict of the film and clearly and concisely explain it in a single sentence. Well shouldn't we say who the protagonist is and what he does for a living? Otherwise readers would assume he's unemployed. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] That is a pretty big assumption to make; I would just think that the person's job is just not important enough to the plot to mention in a small, two to three sentence summary. I still do not see the value of this exactly, but I will not press it further. It may just be a small nitpick on my part. Aoba47 (talk) 13:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] In the phrase “becoming one of the most successful Tamil films of that year”, I would assume it should read “Tamil-language films”. Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] In the table, I do not believe that the people need to be wikilinked following their first appearance to avoid over-linking. Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] Great job with this. It was an interesting read. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. If possible, I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide comments for my current FAC, but I understand if you do not have the time or energy to do so. Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] @Aoba47: I have hopefully resolved your comments, Aoba47. Do let me know if there's anything at all. Thank you. As for the FAC, I'm not aware of the subject, so I'm afraid going to have to decline the offer. I hope you don't mind. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:46, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The term “his banner” sounds a little odd to me; I would use “his production company” or something along those lines to be more specific on exactly what is being described and introduced.

Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would move the final sentences in the lead’s first paragraph about the film’s plot before listing all of the actors involved to better situate a reader who is unfamiliar with the film. You would have to revise the wikilinking and introduction of the actors if this is done.

Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who has never heard of this film, I was a little confused by the sentences on the plot. How does Kaali intend to avenge his friend’s death? What are the two political parties involved in this film? A little clarification on these two things would be very helpful here.

It is actually two factions of a single political party which are arguing over a wall to establish their so-called supremacy. I have explained a bit more. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is the part about Kaali being an IT professional really necessary? Is it important to the film’s plot? It seems rather trivial, and it would seem to be more beneficial to expand on the main conflict of the film and clearly and concisely explain it in a single sentence.

Well shouldn't we say who the protagonist is and what he does for a living? Otherwise readers would assume he's unemployed. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That is a pretty big assumption to make; I would just think that the person's job is just not important enough to the plot to mention in a small, two to three sentence summary. I still do not see the value of this exactly, but I will not press it further. It may just be a small nitpick on my part. Aoba47 (talk) 13:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the phrase “becoming one of the most successful Tamil films of that year”, I would assume it should read “Tamil-language films”.

Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the table, I do not believe that the people need to be wikilinked following their first appearance to avoid over-linking.

Done. As asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great job with this. It was an interesting read. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. If possible, I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide comments for my current FAC, but I understand if you do not have the time or energy to do so. Aoba47 (talk) 03:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: I have hopefully resolved your comments, Aoba47. Do let me know if there's anything at all. Thank you. As for the FAC, I'm not aware of the subject, so I'm afraid going to have to decline the offer. I hope you don't mind. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:46, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will support this nomination. Thank you for addressing my comments. It is okay if you cannot help with my FAC, but your reasoning is a little weird to me, especially when you post a request for me to review this out of the blue and I did the review even though I am completely unaware of the subject matter. Again, it is fine if you are unable to do the review, but your exact rationale seems a little hypocritical to me. Aoba47 (talk) 13:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: Thank you very much though, Aoba47. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 14:42, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"The film's story revolves around Kaali (Karthi), an impulsive and short-tempered IT professional who lives in the Vyasarpadi area of Chennai. His friend Anbu (Kalaiyarasan) is killed in the midst of a feud between two factions of a political party over a building wall at one of the housing board apartments in the area. When Kaali hears of this, he decides to avenge Anbu's death." A little too detailed for an accolades list to be honest. How about something shorter like: "The film's story revolves around Kaali (Karthi), an impulsive ... Chennai. When his friend is killed amid a feud between two politicians, he decides to avenge his death"?

@FrB.TG: This is what Aoba47 asked me to do: Expand the plot for clarity. This is quite alright and anyways, the lead is not as big as La La Land's list (no offense).

None taken. Your reasoning makes sense, although the comparison to the La La Land list is not quite right because the musical has won many more awards than this film.

The norm for film accolades list is that the plot is followed by the names of important cast members.

Done as asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 17:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have the budget and box-office figures?

Kailash29792, please explain. Thank you. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 17:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't focus so much on finding definitive budget/BO figures for this film, as this is an awards list, not a fiscal list. And definitive data on budget/BO figures in Indian films are elusive. Just saying it was among the highest-grossing Tamil films of the year is enough I think. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not something that should be done but it would have been nice if we had the data.

I would remove "As of 2017" as it is unlikely that the film will win more awards in the future.

Done as asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 17:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"and Best Male Playback Singer (Pradeep Kumar)" - what song?

Done as asked. Added the song. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 17:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"won three, which are" - I would get rid of the other two words. – FrB.TG (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done as asked. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 17:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nicely put together. – FrB.TG (talk) 18:02, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG: Thank you, Frank. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 08:33, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Skr15081997

The titles in 12th and 13th refs can be changed to lowercase.
Per the lead Pa. Ranjith won the Vijay Award for Best Director but the table doesn't support this statement.
The above reviews have left nothing for me to comment on the prose quality.

Nice list. Good job on this one. --Skr15081997 (talk) 12:26, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Skr15081997: I have hopefully resolved your comments. Do let me know if there's anything at all. Thank you. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 13:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Now there's 1 redlink in the lead and Vijay Award for Best Supporting Actress and Actor both lead to the same article. These 2 issues need to be resolved. --Skr15081997 (talk) 14:29, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Skr15081997: Done. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 15:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to Support this nomination. --Skr15081997 (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Skr15081997: Thank you, Skr15081997. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 04:55, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Sorry for the delay. I was very busy. Coming to the list, I think it fulfills every criteria for FL. Hence I support this.Krish | Talk 16:06, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Krish!: Thank you, Krish. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 16:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Looking good, just the one thing: why do we not have a reference for the critical response for the various aspects of the film? Rest looks fine. Good work. NumerounovedantTalk 07:07, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Numerounovedant: I actually meant that the awards went to those particular categories. Do you want me to rephrase it? — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I believe that would be better. NumerounovedantTalk 07:57, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Numerounovedant: I have rephrased it now anyway. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:58, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Great work. Ping me if you need someone for the spot-checks, I'd be happy to help. NumerounovedantTalk 08:22, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Numerounovedant: Thank you and yes, I would need your help with the spot-checks for both my FLCs (The other one's here. Feel free to leave comments there too) if that's alright. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 08:30, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Although I wouldn't be able to do both, I'll try and get to this one later tonight. NumerounovedantTalk 09:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Spot-checks

Ref 1. does not name K. E. Gnanavel, nor does it give the release year (look further).

Done. As asked. Used another source. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 18:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ref.2, 3, and 4 have no proper mention of any of the supporting actors. I am just not convinced with just the odd first/last names occurring here and there with contrived spellings. Is there no better source?

Tried everywhere but they don't mention the full names. Removed some of them for now. I'll re-add them if something comes up later perhaps. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 18:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ref. 5 Same, it's astonishing how no source uses the full names, for all we know it can be any Praveen, Murali, Hari.

Used another one with the full names. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 18:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

None of the 6,7, and 8 references give a direct mention of the Indian release date.

@Numerounovedant: Reference no. 8 (10 now) shows the poster of Madras which states "from 26 September". Hopefully, that can be counted. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 18:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How about the bms source? NumerounovedantTalk 19:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Numerounovedant: Bookmyshow is deleted as it seems to be considered non-reliable. Better to go with IBTimes. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:49, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Going through the awards. NumerounovedantTalk 17:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The awards list looks largely fine. Sorry for the delay, let me know if I missed something. NumerounovedantTalk 17:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the recent changes, it looks good to go. NumerounovedantTalk 19:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Numerounovedant: Thank you, Vedant. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:49, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 09:27, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The BH source for box office overseas leads to a category page and not a direct one to an article about Madras, the archived one is correct. You could probably remove this ref as the other two support the text. Ref. should be Ref(s) as there are multiple references in the column Non English references should have language= in the reference I think ndash should be used for 6-7 August. "Released on 26 September, Madras received positive critical feedback and box office success,[8][9][10] becoming one of the most successful Tamil-language films of the year" How about just? --> Released on 26 September 2014, the film garnered generally positive reviews and was a commercial success at the box office. It's kind of overegging it as one of the most successful of the year as according to that ref it was number 8 at the box office and was included in one newspaper's top 20 of the year. Any figures for production budget and final gross? Cowlibob (talk) 14:44, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] @Cowlibob: I have resolved all your comments, Cowlibob. As for your last one regarding "figures for production budget and final gross", please refer to Kailash's comment in FrB.TG's comments.. I'll put it here for you: "I wouldn't focus so much on finding definitive budget/BO figures for this film, as this is an awards list, not a fiscal list. And definitive data on budget/BO figures in Indian films are elusive. Just saying it was among* the highest-grossing Tamil films of the year is enough I think." — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 15:26, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 09:27, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

*The BH source for box office overseas leads to a category page and not a direct one to an article about Madras, the archived one is correct. You could probably remove this ref as the other two support the text.

Ref. should be Ref(s) as there are multiple references in the column
Non English references should have language= in the reference
I think ndash should be used for 6-7 August.
"Released on 26 September, Madras received positive critical feedback and box office success,[8][9][10] becoming one of the most successful Tamil-language films of the year" How about just? --> Released on 26 September 2014, the film garnered generally positive reviews and was a commercial success at the box office. It's kind of overegging it as one of the most successful of the year as according to that ref it was number 8 at the box office and was included in one newspaper's top 20 of the year.
Any figures for production budget and final gross?

Cowlibob (talk) 14:44, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: I have resolved all your comments, Cowlibob. As for your last one regarding "figures for production budget and final gross", please refer to Kailash's comment in FrB.TG's comments.. I'll put it here for you: "I wouldn't focus so much on finding definitive budget/BO figures for this film, as this is an awards list, not a fiscal list. And definitive data on budget/BO figures in Indian films are elusive. Just saying it was among the highest-grossing Tamil films of the year is enough I think." — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 15:26, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: Thank you, Cowlibob. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 09:56, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the ((featured list candidates)) template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:09, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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