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Michael Jackson albums discography[edit]

Michael Jackson albums discography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): TheWikiholic (talk) 17:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating Michael Jackson albums discography for the featured list because it is sourced, well-organized, and easy to navigate through. I have spent quite some time expanding and cleaning up the article, which I now believe meets the featured list criteria. This is my second featured list nomination, and I look forward to the comments. Regards.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment: Most album details appear to be unsourced (the chart histories may contain this info, but that is not clear at the moment), and the chart positions for the video albums are completely unsourced. Also, many sources have access dates from 2009 or 2010, so how can they cover albums released throughout the 2010s? Make sure access dates and archived pages reflect recent updates. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RunningTiger123 I have reviewed and sampled many articles from Category:FL-Class Discography articles before nominating this article, and none of them were sourced as you say. They either use the sources part of chart history or the certifications. Here I've already added a source for the albums, even if it was not certified even though it has already charted. There were only seven releases since 2010 and that's why most of the sources have access dates prior to 2010.— TheWikiholic (talk) 04:13, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know that older nominations don't have the same level of sourcing, but the three most recent discography promotions – Regine Velasquez discography, MewithoutYou discography, and Amy Grant discography – all provide sources for album details. Also, access dates and archived pages still need to be updated even if most of the cited information predates those; we need to source all of the information, not most of it. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Follow-up: I missed the part where you'd updated the sources – those generally look good now, though I haven't taken an in-depth look. Thanks for doing that! RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
;Initial comments
  • No reason for a capital on Extended
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No reason for a capital on Remix
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "According to Recording Industry Association of America" => "According to the Recording Industry Association of America"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album peaked at 14 on the Billboard 200 album chart" - the chart wasn't called that in 1972
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It peaked at five on the Billboard 200 album chart" - same again
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No reason for capital on Silver
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Epic Records, then known as CBS Records" - that's not true
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "spawned two number-one singles on the billboard hot 100" - needs a capital B
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Off The Wall made Jackson the first solo artist to have four singles from the same album to peak" => "Off The Wall made Jackson the first solo artist to have four singles from the same album peak"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "At the 1980 Grammy Awards, it was nominated for two Grammy Awards" - any way to avoid repeating those two words in the same sentence?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The source does not support the above claim
plus Added.— TheWikiholic (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jackson winning Best R&B Vocal Performance, Male for "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough"" - not relevant, this article is about his albums, not his singles
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's what I got on the first two paragraphs of the lead, will look at more later..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
  • "the Billboard Top LPs & Tapes chart, which spent a record 37 weeks at number one" - the chart did not spend 37 weeks at number one
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Seven singles were released. They all reached the top 10 on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart." - these two very short sentences could be combined into one
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "eight Grammy Awards at the 1984 Grammy Awards" - again, try to avoid repetitive language
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "while "Beat It" won Record of the Year" - again, not really relevant in this article
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "eight American Music Awards at the 1984 American Music Awards" - as above
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The single "You Are Not Alone" was the first song in history to debut at number one on the Billboard Hot 100" - again, not really relevant in this article
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and is the best selling multiple-disc release, making it one of the best-selling albums of all time" - this badly formatted sentence fragment repeats the sentence before so should be removed
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Title of Blood on the Dance Floor should be in italics
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure "skyrocketed" is really an encyclopedic choice of word
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Essential Michael Jackson should be in italics
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • And so should the two albums in the last sentence of the lead -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:29, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
  • The table heading "Compilation" should be "Compilations", as there is more than one
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:12, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "albums at least 18 months old, have fallen below" => "albums at least 18 months old which have fallen below"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:12, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Here, a list of his albums reached a major position in this chart while not eligible for the Billboard 200:" - this is very mangled English. I would suggest "The following albums appeared on this chart while not eligible for the Billboard 200:"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:12, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would also join that list to the one in the next sentence. It makes no sense at all to separate out those which reached a "major" position and those which reached a "minor" position, especially when some of the minor positions are higher than one of the major positions!!
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:12, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "List of officially released compilations and other albums not charted in the table" is a terrible title and I can't even tell what it's trying to say. Is it just "albums which don't appear in any of the tables above"? If so, why not? Albums which did not chart should still be listed in the same table as equivalent albums which did, so for example all the Remix Suites should be in the same table as all the other remix albums...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on refs
  • Ref 2 lists no publisher/work
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 9 is some random guy's self-published/print-on-demand book. There must be dozens of better refs for that statement.
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 10 does not list the author of the book
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 13 - what's "George"?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 15 shows the name of the RIAA in full, whereas an earlier ref shows the initials
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The title of ref 28 is not "archived copy", it also lists no publisher/work
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 42 lists nothing but the title
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 43 lists no publisher for the book
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 44 is also self-published, so not an acceptable source
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The chart history portion of ref 55 does not exist
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 65 lists nothing but the title
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 72 has the same issue as ref 9
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 82 uses different date format to the rest (as do some others)
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 83 has two different date formats within the same ref!
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 101 - Nielsen Business Media Inc. is not the author's name
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 102 - author's names are the wrong way round
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 109 - why is Parool.nl wikilinked, when it doesn't have an article?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 120, 121, 129, 144 are just bare URLs
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 01:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 122 has "via allmusic.com", different to all the other AllMusic refs
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 125 is missing almost all fields
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 138 lists no publisher/work
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 143 is another self-published book
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 146 and 148 (and some others) show the author's name with forename first, unlike the rest
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quite a lot of formatting work to do on the refs, I fear...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude take a look now, please.— TheWikiholic (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick comment - ref 11: Condé Nast is a company, not a person, so shouldn't be listed as the author -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

Done. TheWikiholic (talk) 18:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. TheWikiholic (talk) 13:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PresN take a look now, please.— TheWikiholic (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@TheWikiholic: Ah, not quite- see my edit to the page. Both the "Peak chart positions" and all of the "US", etc. column headers need it too. I've done it for the first table as an example. --PresN 15:43, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PresN Please see my latest edits and let me know if I missed anything. TheWikiholic (talk) 08:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Gerald Waldo Luis[edit]

Great to see this, as I'm a relatively new MJ fan ever since my brother got interested in his songs. This looks like massive amount of work, which I applaud, but of course at a cost of some flaws which I found. If they're all resolved I'll happily support this nom. GeraldWL 17:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from GeraldWL 16:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
* Why cant those links in the See also hatnote be moved to the See also section instead?
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suggest using the original crop of the infobox image, since the current one's blurry
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "has sold 89 million certified albums in the US"-- change "US" to "United States"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album peaked at 14" --> "It peaked at 14"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "HHe followed the debut album with Ben in the same year. It peaked at five on the Billboard Pop Album Chart and was certified silver by the British Phonographic Industry." Kinda repetitive, suggest "In the same year, he released another album, Ben, which peaked at five on the Billboard Pop Album Chart and was certified silver by the British Phonographic Industry."
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jackson's next two studio albums were Music & Me and Forever Michael. These two albums were released in 1973 and 1975 respectively." --> "Jackson's next two studio albums were Music & Me (1973) and Forever Michael (1975)."
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 1975, Jackson signed to Epic Records. Jackson's fifth studio album, and the first with Epic Records, Off the Wall, was released in 1979." --> "In 1975, Jackson signed to Epic Records, and released his fifth studio album, Off the Wall, four years later."
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Billboard hot 100" --> "Billboard Hot 100"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "it was nominated for two Awards"-- decapitalize the A
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It became Jackson's first"-- change "Jackson's" to "his"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the first to become the United States’" --> "the first to become the U.S.'"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the links on the texts "Billboard 200", "9x platinum", and "Billboard Top LPs & Tapes" as they're duplicate
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It won a record-breaking eight Grammys at the 1984 Grammy Awards, including Album of the Year. Jackson also won a record-breaking eight Awards at the 1984 American Music Awards." This can be shortened to "It won a record-breaking eight awards at the 1984 Grammy Awards (where it won Album of the Year) and the 1984 American Music Awards."
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "record-breaking five number ones." What does "five number ones" mean?
five number one Singles.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Bad was certified 11× platinum by the RIAA. With sales of over 35 million copies sold worldwide, Bad is one of the best-selling albums of all time." This can be shortened to "With a certification of 11× platinum by the RIAA and sales of over 35 million copies worldwide, Bad is one of the best-selling albums of all time."
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album was Jackson's first since Forever, Michael (1975)"-- remove "(1975)" as repetitive.
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "one on the US"-- change "US" to "U.S." for consistency
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As part of this deal, two posthumous albums of previously unreleased tracks were released with Michael in 2010 and Xscape in 2014." --> "As part of this deal, two posthumous albums of previously unreleased tracks were released: Michael (2010) and Xscape (2014)."
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The table caption must be in title case. For example, "List of Studio albums" --> "List of studio albums"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the format types should be linked at first mention
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • And the "Records" shouldn't prob be ommitted, for example "Motown" --> "Motown Records"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the Got to Be There column, "World" --> "WW"
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should probably add Template:Abbr in the abbreviations, for example ((Abbr|WW|Worldwide)) which creates WW
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:17, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can omit the abbreviation in the section heading, I think it's too specific and the table caption handles that well
Gerald Waldo Luis Is that necessary? I think one editor asked me to add it because it's necessary for mobile phone users. Feel free to correct it or me if they were wrong.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I opened the mobile version, and I also have the Wikipedia App. None of them omit the table caption, so yeah. GeraldWL 16:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think "List of Compilations albums" must be "List of compilation albums" without the s, considering our article for it is called Compilation album. Keep the section name tho, the s is valid there
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've worked in an electronic store for two years, but I've never heard of "CD/DVD". Mind clarifying?
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The references are inconsistent. For telegraph.co.uk, you have "Daily Telegraph" in one reference but "Telegraph" in another. You also need to determine whether you want the publication name to be linked or not. Also titles that are in foreign language must have a translation in the "trans-title" parameter.
Gerald Waldo Luis The telegraph issues are fixed. Can you please provide the reference numbers where the publication and a trans-title parameter are needed?.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, it's ref 60, 107, 147, 152, 153, 154, 155, 158, 161, and 165 for the trans-title. There's also some other foreign-language citations without a language parameter. For the publication, you have ref 2 (CNN), ref 7 (RIAA, which must be referred to by its full name), ref 10 (Simon), ref 11 (New Yorker), ref 15 (Grammy.com must be changed to Grammy Awards), and many more unlinked but in other places linked. There's also consistency: ABC News is in =website at the first citation but is =publisher on others. The list is honestly exhaustive, so I can help you fix it if you want. GeraldWL 16:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gerald Waldo Luis I am open to any assistance on the remaining issues and bettering any part of this article. Please, be my guest. TheWikiholic (talk) 14:33, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gerald Waldo Luis I have fixed the publication issues and added trans- title parameter for references 60 and 106. I don’t believe that the remaining need a trans-title parameter since they do not have a title in foreign languages. Please have a look at my edits and please provide the reference numbers if there are more issues. Thanks.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Comments from TRM[edit]

Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 03:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.TheWikiholic (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 36 is supposed to say that the album was certified 8-time platinum by RIAA.
Fixed.TheWikiholic (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.TheWikiholic (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's the lead reviewed. Plenty to do here. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man Please have a look at my edits, and let me know if I missed something. TheWikiholic (talk) 18:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kavyansh[edit]

Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, 1964. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Kavyansh.Singh I've referenced a few FL discographies, and none of them use center-aligned em-dash in empty cells like sales or certifications.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All my comments are probably resolved. I'll check back later if I can support. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 20:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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