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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:23, 11 August 2009 [1].

NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship[edit]

Nominator(s): Truco ₅₀₃ 23:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Well here it is...the NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship. This is one of the oldest championship lists that have come here recently and one that is no longer in existence, so it was interesting to expand and should be an interesting read. Now bear with me, this took a lot of hard work to expand, and because the Jim Crockett Promotions is no longer in existence, I was limited in resources. So luckily I found the Mid-Atlantic Gateway which keeps records of all the titles and history of the company through research in newspapers, old advertisements, and other reliable party sources, which is verifiable and not speculation, so it should come across as a reliable source. Disclaimer: This is one confusing title history. Thanks for the reviews!--Truco ₅₀₃ 23:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I can't run the dab tools, so there will more than likely be some dabs because I didn't check them before hand. Once the tool is up, I will check them unless someone notes it here.--Truco ₅₀₃ 23:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Use User:Splarka/dabfinder.js. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - How do I run that? I have to install the js?--Truco ₅₀₃ 23:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Right. Just put importScript('User:Splarka/dabfinder.js'); into your monobook.js. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Okay, I did but I have no idea how to run it.--Truco ₅₀₃ 01:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        After bypassing your cache, look at the toolbox to your left. You will find a link that says "Find disambiguations". Click on it, and it will shortly highlight all dab links. The tool also has a handy redirect finder. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I did, but I don't see that link. --Truco ₅₀₃ 02:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        In the toolbox to the left; the link will be near the bottom (in normal reading mode, not the edit screen). Dabomb87 (talk) 04:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Still nothing.--Truco ₅₀₃ 21:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) Ah well, we can deal with that later. Here are the dabs (you know the subject, so it's better if you fix them):

NWA United States Tag Team Championship (twice)
Pat O'Connor (twice)
Black Bart {twice)
WRAL (twice) Dabomb87 (talk) 22:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed all of them except the NWA United States Tag Team Championship because the dab page is the intended target.--Truco ₅₀₃ 03:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Why is it the intended target? Per MOS, we shouldn't purposely link to dab pages. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Because there is no article about the NWA United States Tag Team Championship, and the dab states that it was a name of a championship used in various variations, which is why the article states version of the NWA United States Tag Team Championship since there were many versions of it, the dab page just lists those that we know of and it states that it is a name of various titles=intended target.--Truco ₅₀₃ 23:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~Support

Resolved comments from MPJ-DK
Lead "a prime reason why its championships included "Mid-Atlantic" in their names." A "prime reason why" doesn't read right with me, how about simplifying it by saying "which is why all JCP Championships all include "Mid-Atlantic" in their names" "In 1970, the championship was introduced (under the name "NWA Eastern Heavyweight Championship")" Do we need the parenthesis? How about "was orginally introduced as the NWA Eastern Heavyweight Championship"?? "on a taping" => "during a taping" "On the September 6, 1973 taping of Championship Wrestling,[Note 2] to coincide with JCP's alternate name of Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling", I'm not even completly sure what you're trying to say here. I reworded it, is that better?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Barry Windham worked as Krusher Kruschev? That's wrong, they defeated Koloff and Kruschev so the Krusher note should just be removed. "and handed it to Crockett, Jr.", I'd use "belt" instead of "it" since that's the physical representation of the championship. "The title was deactivated afterwards for unknown reasons by Crockett, Jr., and eventually, JCP was sold to Ted Turner in 1988.[3]" may I suggest "Jim Crockett, Jr. deactivated the championship for unknown reason, and eventually JCP..." "Their prime championship, called the MACW Heavyweight Championship,[4] as a result, has no connection to this original JCP/MACW championship." I'd move "As a result" up first in the sentence. "in arenas or television studios" As opposed to? I changed it to and, maybe that will help.--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Table With Pat O'Conners' title reign being fictious would it make sense to actually not give it a number and start with 1 for the Misouri Mauler? Just wondering. The thing is, he is credited as actually being the champion, who are we to say he wasn't? If JCP said he was champion, then that's what he was. Just because it was a storyline reign, doesn't mean we shouldn't add it.--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] I think that it'd look better if all the numbers in the second # column were on the same line and not underneath each other. On my browser they are all on the same line, I added +1 digit to the width, how is it now?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] N/A shouldn't sort by "N" but be either first or last in the sort order, I've done it by using ((sort\|-\|N/A)) to get it to sort as "missing data" and not data called "N/A" Black Bart sorts by "Bart", but that's not his last name, should sort by "Black", it's not a "first name" "last name" name but more of a title Iron Sheik should sort by "Iron" not "Sheik", as above. Johnny Valentine's 1st reign sorts like it's between 66 and 69 days but the note states 402 days Combined reigns I've been told that "The exact length of at least one title reign is uncertain, the shortest possible length is used." should be "The exact length of at least one title reign is uncertain, so the shortest possible length is used." instead. Sorting as above. The ordering of the tied reigns, in each case it's got a confirmed length and a "minimum length", I'd put the one with the potential to be longer as the first one, so Koloff before Brunzell and Slater before Atlas. Footnotes #1, should be "on which" not "In which" Notes 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 13 should all be worded "The exact date on which" Sources Look good to me. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 10:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for looking. I addressed all your comments, and specifically commented on the ones which I could not/had trouble addressing. Thanks again!--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from MPJ-DK

Lead

"a prime reason why its championships included "Mid-Atlantic" in their names." A "prime reason why" doesn't read right with me, how about simplifying it by saying "which is why all JCP Championships all include "Mid-Atlantic" in their names"
"In 1970, the championship was introduced (under the name "NWA Eastern Heavyweight Championship")" Do we need the parenthesis? How about "was orginally introduced as the NWA Eastern Heavyweight Championship"??
"on a taping" => "during a taping"
"On the September 6, 1973 taping of Championship Wrestling,[Note 2] to coincide with JCP's alternate name of Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling", I'm not even completly sure what you're trying to say here.

I reworded it, is that better?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Windham worked as Krusher Kruschev? That's wrong, they defeated Koloff and Kruschev so the Krusher note should just be removed.
"and handed it to Crockett, Jr.", I'd use "belt" instead of "it" since that's the physical representation of the championship.
"The title was deactivated afterwards for unknown reasons by Crockett, Jr., and eventually, JCP was sold to Ted Turner in 1988.[3]" may I suggest "Jim Crockett, Jr. deactivated the championship for unknown reason, and eventually JCP..."
"Their prime championship, called the MACW Heavyweight Championship,[4] as a result, has no connection to this original JCP/MACW championship." I'd move "As a result" up first in the sentence.
"in arenas or television studios" As opposed to?

I changed it to and, maybe that will help.--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Table

With Pat O'Conners' title reign being fictious would it make sense to actually not give it a number and start with 1 for the Misouri Mauler? Just wondering.

The thing is, he is credited as actually being the champion, who are we to say he wasn't? If JCP said he was champion, then that's what he was. Just because it was a storyline reign, doesn't mean we shouldn't add it.--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it'd look better if all the numbers in the second # column were on the same line and not underneath each other.

On my browser they are all on the same line, I added +1 digit to the width, how is it now?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N/A shouldn't sort by "N" but be either first or last in the sort order, I've done it by using ((sort|-|N/A)) to get it to sort as "missing data" and not data called "N/A"
Black Bart sorts by "Bart", but that's not his last name, should sort by "Black", it's not a "first name" "last name" name but more of a title
Iron Sheik should sort by "Iron" not "Sheik", as above.
Johnny Valentine's 1st reign sorts like it's between 66 and 69 days but the note states 402 days

Combined reigns

I've been told that "The exact length of at least one title reign is uncertain, the shortest possible length is used." should be "The exact length of at least one title reign is uncertain, so the shortest possible length is used." instead.
Sorting as above.
The ordering of the tied reigns, in each case it's got a confirmed length and a "minimum length", I'd put the one with the potential to be longer as the first one, so Koloff before Brunzell and Slater before Atlas.

Footnotes

#1, should be "on which" not "In which"
Notes 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 13 should all be worded "The exact date on which"

Sources

Look good to me. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 10:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking. I addressed all your comments, and specifically commented on the ones which I could not/had trouble addressing. Thanks again!--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, support. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 20:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disclaimer -- I won't be on Wikipedia from 8/6-8/11, I will try to get someone to look over this FLC while I am gone, if not, I will address the comments when I get back.--Truco ₅₀₃ 03:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) "a territory-promotion governed by the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) promotion." Can we fix the repetition of "promotion"? "had defeated defending-champion Pat O'Connor in New York" Is the city not known? Remove the hyphen and insert "the" before "defending". "promotion, nevertheless," Comma after "promotion" should be a semicolon. "of it being a fictitious reign."--of its being a fictitious reign. That is not correct, it does not sound right when you read it -> Further information regarding O'Connor's reign is unavailable as a result of its being a fictitious reign.--Truco ₅₀₃ 15:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Actually, the current noun + -ing is ungrammatical; using the possessive is correct. See this. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] I reworded, how does it look?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] "this coincided with JCP beginning to be promoted as Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling."-->this coincided with JCP's beginning to be promoted as Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling. JCP's beginning isn't right because they did not have a beginning of being promoted its just that they began to be promoted.--Truco ₅₀₃ 15:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Well, the noun + -ing structure is ungrammatical. Please rephrase. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] I reworded, how does it look?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] "During this change" I assume the change wasn't gradual, so it should be "At the time of this change" "a group of promoters were given permission" One group, so "was". "there were 60 reigns among 29 wrestlers" "among"-->shared between "second-highest"-->second-most "length, at 504 days with two reigns; Patera ranks second, at 495 days with four reigns." Per WP:MOSNUM, comparable quantities should be written in the same way, so make the numbers all words or all numerals. "televised events which aired"-->televised events that aired Can you center the em dashes in the key? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] All done, except were I commented. Thanks for the review!--Truco ₅₀₃ 15:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"a territory-promotion governed by the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) promotion." Can we fix the repetition of "promotion"?
"had defeated defending-champion Pat O'Connor in New York" Is the city not known? Remove the hyphen and insert "the" before "defending".
"promotion, nevertheless," Comma after "promotion" should be a semicolon.
"of it being a fictitious reign."--of its being a fictitious reign.

That is not correct, it does not sound right when you read it -> Further information regarding O'Connor's reign is unavailable as a result of its being a fictitious reign.--Truco ₅₀₃ 15:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the current noun + -ing is ungrammatical; using the possessive is correct. See this. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded, how does it look?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"this coincided with JCP beginning to be promoted as Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling."-->this coincided with JCP's beginning to be promoted as Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling.

JCP's beginning isn't right because they did not have a beginning of being promoted its just that they began to be promoted.--Truco ₅₀₃ 15:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the noun + -ing structure is ungrammatical. Please rephrase. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded, how does it look?--Truco ₅₀₃ 16:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"During this change" I assume the change wasn't gradual, so it should be "At the time of this change"
"a group of promoters were given permission" One group, so "was".
"there were 60 reigns among 29 wrestlers" "among"-->shared between
"second-highest"-->second-most
"length, at 504 days with two reigns; Patera ranks second, at 495 days with four reigns." Per WP:MOSNUM, comparable quantities should be written in the same way, so make the numbers all words or all numerals.
"televised events which aired"-->televised events that aired
Can you center the em dashes in the key? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All done, except were I commented. Thanks for the review!--Truco ₅₀₃ 15:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 21:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – ~~Glaring redundancy here: "the promotion was also promoted as...".~~ Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] ~~I don't think Garvin's first name needs repeating in the lead, though this is a minor point.~~ Also, Jerry Brisco's first name repeats in one of the table's notes, as does Garvin's. Fixed. Could you be exact as to where Brisco's name is repeated in the notes?--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Brisco's name repeats in the note for reign 15, the first under the new name. Garvin's repeats in the final reign's note. Giants2008 (17–14) 15:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] All fixed.--WillC 08:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Comma before reference 4? Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] "Overall, there were 60 reigns shared between 29 wrestlers, all of which occured in the United States in arenas and television studios." Wouldn't it make more sense to say the titles changed hands during shows? Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] "Each reign was won at JCP promoted events". This strikes me as a bit awkward. How about "Each reign began at JCP-promoted events". Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] I like the "All title changes" bit, but I'd still like to see a hyphen for "JCP promoted". Giants2008 (17–14) 15:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] All fixed.--WillC 08:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] ~~Jerry Brisco linked twice in the lead. Also two broadcast delay links, though one of them is piped.~~ Fixed. Considering it is pipelinked in one of them, I wouldn't say that is overlinking.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Note for reign 51: Contraction to be fixed (it's). Same for reign 56. Fixed, I believe.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Don't want to be a pain, but the "its" doesn't look that great without the apostrophe. Perhaps "it is" would work better? Giants2008 (17–14) 15:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] All fixed. You aren't a pain, grateful for all comments, no matter what they are.--WillC 08:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] ~~Footnote 12: Semi-colon after "television markets".~~ Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] ~~En dash needed for page range in reference 3.~~ Giants2008 (17–14) 23:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply] All fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 21:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

~~Glaring redundancy here: "the promotion was also promoted as...".~~
- Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~I don't think Garvin's first name needs repeating in the lead, though this is a minor point.~~ Also, Jerry Brisco's first name repeats in one of the table's notes, as does Garvin's.
- Fixed. Could you be exact as to where Brisco's name is repeated in the notes?--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Brisco's name repeats in the note for reign 15, the first under the new name. Garvin's repeats in the final reign's note. Giants2008 (17–14) 15:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - All fixed.--WillC 08:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comma before reference 4?
- Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Overall, there were 60 reigns shared between 29 wrestlers, all of which occured in the United States in arenas and television studios." Wouldn't it make more sense to say the titles changed hands during shows?
- Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Each reign was won at JCP promoted events". This strikes me as a bit awkward. How about "Each reign began at JCP-promoted events".
- Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I like the "All title changes" bit, but I'd still like to see a hyphen for "JCP promoted". Giants2008 (17–14) 15:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - All fixed.--WillC 08:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Jerry Brisco linked twice in the lead. Also two broadcast delay links, though one of them is piped.~~
- Fixed. Considering it is pipelinked in one of them, I wouldn't say that is overlinking.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note for reign 51: Contraction to be fixed (it's). Same for reign 56.
- Fixed, I believe.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Don't want to be a pain, but the "its" doesn't look that great without the apostrophe. Perhaps "it is" would work better? Giants2008 (17–14) 15:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - All fixed. You aren't a pain, grateful for all comments, no matter what they are.--WillC 08:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Footnote 12: Semi-colon after "television markets".~~
- Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~En dash needed for page range in reference 3.~~ Giants2008 (17–14) 23:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - All fixed.--WillC 02:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Looks as good as the other wrestling title lists I've seen. Giants2008 (17–14) 21:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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