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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:01, 25 July 2013 (UTC) [1].Reply[reply]

Timeline of the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season[edit]

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Nominator(s): TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 21:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The 2012 Atlantic hurricane season was the third most active season in recorded history, for the third year in a row. While impact during the season was widespread...from Isaac hitting the Yucatan, Nadine playing tango with the Azores, and Leslie affecting Newfoundland...the two storms that will be remembered the most are hurricanes Isaac and Sandy. Collectively, the two storms resulted in over 300 deaths and nearly $80 billion in damage; over three-fourths of both of these totals was a result of Hurricane (or Superstorm) Sandy, the second-costliest hurricane in recorded history. Having been through this process before, I feel this timeline now satisfies the requirements of a featured list. Thanks in advance for any comments! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 21:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from --12george1 (talk) 21:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comments "Though the season officially began on June 1 and ended on November 30, dates which conventionally delimit the period of each year when most tropical cyclones develop in the Atlantic basin,[2] two storms – Alberto and Beryl – developed before the official start, on May 19 and May 26, respectively; this was the first such occurrence since 1908." - That is a rather long sentence. It starts with the season dates, talks about how they delimited when most TC develop, mentions Alberto and Beryl, as well as their dates of formation, and then indicates that it was a record. Maybe split the two sentences like this: "The season officially began on June 1 and ended on November 30, dates which conventionally delimit the period of each year when most tropical cyclones develop in the Atlantic basin.[2] However, two storms – Alberto and Beryl – developed before the official start, on May 19 and May 26, respectively; this was the first such occurrence since 1908." ✗ Not done - The semicolon was meant to show a pause similar to a period/new sentence. No reason to change IMO. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "in late October, causing over $75 billion (2012 USD) in damage and 285 fatalities" - Wikilink USD to United States dollar Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] I noticed that you use nmi (nautical miles) throughout the article. Not sure if there was a discussion about this or it is just a rule of thumb, but WPTC articles apparently shouldn't use units like nautical miles or knots. I've not seen any objection to this in other articles I wrote. If you find the discussion, link me please. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "0600 UTC (2:00 a.m. AST) – Tropical Storm Florence weakens to a tropical depression." - [Citation needed] Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "Hurricane Sandy intensifies into a Category 3 hurricane and simultaneously its second landfall roughly" - I believe you are missing a word here. Done - Was missing "makes". Thanks for noticing. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] I see you are using middle initials for the author names. Robbie Berg's middle initial is "J." according to Hurricane Sandy's Tropical Cyclone Report. Added. Thanks for finding that for me. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] If these issues are fixed or addressed adequately, I will support this nomination.--12george1 (talk) 04:34, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] That should be it. Thanks for the review. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from --12george1 (talk) 21:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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"Though the season officially began on June 1 and ended on November 30, dates which conventionally delimit the period of each year when most tropical cyclones develop in the Atlantic basin,[2] two storms – Alberto and Beryl – developed before the official start, on May 19 and May 26, respectively; this was the first such occurrence since 1908." - That is a rather long sentence. It starts with the season dates, talks about how they delimited when most TC develop, mentions Alberto and Beryl, as well as their dates of formation, and then indicates that it was a record. Maybe split the two sentences like this: "The season officially began on June 1 and ended on November 30, dates which conventionally delimit the period of each year when most tropical cyclones develop in the Atlantic basin.[2] However, two storms – Alberto and Beryl – developed before the official start, on May 19 and May 26, respectively; this was the first such occurrence since 1908."
- ✗ Not done - The semicolon was meant to show a pause similar to a period/new sentence. No reason to change IMO. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"in late October, causing over $75 billion (2012 USD) in damage and 285 fatalities" - Wikilink USD to United States dollar
- Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I noticed that you use nmi (nautical miles) throughout the article. Not sure if there was a discussion about this or it is just a rule of thumb, but WPTC articles apparently shouldn't use units like nautical miles or knots.
- I've not seen any objection to this in other articles I wrote. If you find the discussion, link me please. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"0600 UTC (2:00 a.m. AST) – Tropical Storm Florence weakens to a tropical depression." - [Citation needed]
- Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Hurricane Sandy intensifies into a Category 3 hurricane and simultaneously its second landfall roughly" - I believe you are missing a word here.
- Done - Was missing "makes". Thanks for noticing. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see you are using middle initials for the author names. Robbie Berg's middle initial is "J." according to Hurricane Sandy's Tropical Cyclone Report.
- Added. Thanks for finding that for me. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If these issues are fixed or addressed adequately, I will support this nomination.--12george1 (talk) 04:34, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- That should be it. Thanks for the review. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comments Lead image could be larger, and should be so we can make out the details of the various tracks. It's at 250px, which is the normal for those images. Will a slight increase to 300px work? TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] 300px is allowable for a lead image, particularly when it's as unclear as this image. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "third-most number of" not sure "number of" is actually necessary here. Removed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) "this was the first such occurrence " this being that two storms formed before or should it be "these being the first such occurences.."? The former. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "since 1908." I would prefer "since the 1908 season" to avoid the Easter egg-linked year. Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "but only two" why "but only"? The average is 3, and the two that intensified major hurricanes collectively remained at that intensity for less than a day. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "Though storm impact during the season was widespread and ruinous, the most significant ..." this "Though..." start doesn't make much sense to me. You could have the sentence as "Storm impact during the season was widespread and ruinous, with the most significant ..." Changed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] "the Bahamas" -> "The Bahamas". I'm referring to the island chain and not a country within, so if I'm not it shouldn't be capitalized. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] The Rambling Man (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Lead image could be larger, and should be so we can make out the details of the various tracks.
- It's at 250px, which is the normal for those images. Will a slight increase to 300px work? TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  - 300px is allowable for a lead image, particularly when it's as unclear as this image. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"third-most number of" not sure "number of" is actually necessary here.
- Removed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk)
"this was the first such occurrence " this being that two storms formed before or should it be "these being the first such occurences.."?
- The former. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"since 1908." I would prefer "since the 1908 season" to avoid the Easter egg-linked year.
- Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"but only two" why "but only"?
- The average is 3, and the two that intensified major hurricanes collectively remained at that intensity for less than a day. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Though storm impact during the season was widespread and ruinous, the most significant ..." this "Though..." start doesn't make much sense to me. You could have the sentence as "Storm impact during the season was widespread and ruinous, with the most significant ..."
- Changed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"the Bahamas" -> "The Bahamas".
- I'm referring to the island chain and not a country within, so if I'm not it shouldn't be capitalized. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support good job TAWX14. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane

TropicalAnalystwx13, any chance you could gather some more reviewers from the various hurricane or storm projects to review this further, to prevent it from stalling? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FTR, we are a bit short on editors at the moment. Two of are most active contributors these past few months, one is busy, and the other is on vacation. This FLC is not the one one being stalled, the FLC quite a bit below this has been around even longer not to mention that we recntly had a FAC fail due to lack of comments, 3 GTC's (2 of which have been open for quite some time, thanks for your support on two of them, BTW), I also have many unreviewd GAN's. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 15:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, I saw the backlog at GAN, 400-odd articles waiting, goodness me. Ok, well sorry, I'm sure you understand the situation, we'll just have to sit on this nom for a while and hope more people come by and express comments or support. Not much more we can than that I suppose...? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think the list is fine, but perhaps putting it in a table would make such articles less dry? Nergaal (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment Since I mainly deal with imagery within the Wikiproject, there are a few things that I'd like to point out. Firstly, the trackmap of the article could be a little larger to suit readers' needs. At this scale, it is quite blurry and thus difficult to pinpoint out storms. Secondly, the images on the right hand are almost a identical copy from the season and storm articles, which is a little redundant and not quite suitable to a timeline article. I can get some images better suited to the timeline and work out complementary captions similar to Timeline of the 2013 Pacific hurricane season. In addition, it would be nice to have more links in the "see also" section, which it is currently lacking. Overall, this article is in great shape and I believe it could easily become a featured list. - HurricaneSpin (Talk) 18:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Sure. We can work to get it sorted out elsewhere. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  - It has been a while and I would still like to see these points taken into consideration. It shouldn't take too much time to get some more links in the see also section. - HurricaneSpin (Talk) 18:34, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    - With all the supports this is getting, this might be the last issue that needs to get sorted out prior to promotion. Try to work towards it when you've got time. - HurricaneSpin (Talk) 15:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comments Comments "A Category 1 on the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale, Isaac was a large system that moved ashore the coast of Louisiana on August 12, resulting in 41 deaths." – the wording here is misleading. It leads the reader to believe that it caused 41 fatalities in Louisiana, which is not the case. "The system slammed into the southern coast of New Jersey as an extratropical cyclone in late October, causing over $75 billion (2012 USD) in damage and 285 fatalities throughout the East Coast." – again, misleading statements. Roughly half of the stated fatalities are not in the United States. Personally I'm not a fan of using "slammed" in an encyclopedic context, but that might just be me. Details on the impact of the storms needs sourcing "Tropical Depression One develops from an area of low pressure offshore the North Carolina–South Carolina border." – "Tropical Depression One" never existed in 2012. Alberto was initiated as a tropical storm. "Tropical Depression One intensifies into Tropical Storm Alberto." – reword to reflect changes to previous line "Tropical Storm Alberto degenerates into a non-convective remnant area of low pressure a few hundred miles north of Bermuda" – direction is wrong and please provide a more definitive distance "Subtropical Storm Beryl completes its transition into a tropical storm." – Text never indicated it started a transition to begin with, so the wording isn't proper here. "Tropical Depression Beryl regains tropical storm intensity." – A location would be useful here "Subtropical Storm Chris develops from an area of low pressure roughly 450 mi (720 km) north-northeast of Bermuda." – "Subtropical Storm Chris" never existed in 2012. Chris was initiated as a tropical storm. Please correct subsequent lines to match changes here "Tropical Storm Debby attains its peak intensity with winds of 65 mph (100 km/h)." and "Tropical Storm Debby attains its peak intensity with a minimum barometric pressure of 990 mbar (hPa; 29.23 inHg)." – Don't use peak intensity twice for this. Just state one as maximum winds and the other as minimum pressure. Add a line for when Tropical Storm Ernesto crossed the Windward Islands and entered the Caribbean Sea "Hurricane Ernesto makes its first landfall on Cayo Norte in Banco Chinchorro, with winds of 90 mph (150 km/h)." – Add the country Add when Ernesto emerged into the Gulf of Mexico Add when Tropical Storm Isaac crossed the Windward Islands and entered the Caribbean Sea Add when Tropical Storm Isaac emerged into the Gulf of Mexico "Tropical Storm Michael degenerates into a non-convective remnant area of low pressure." – Since there are so few reference points of where Michael actually is, add one for when it degenerates Add when Tropical Storm Rafael moved through the Leeward Islands and moved over the Atlantic Ocean Add when Sandy finishes crossing Cuba Bunch of minor changes and additions. Should be relatively easy to patch up. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] Fixed the issues with the wording and sourced all the information. As for the locations you requested, none at those particular times were listed in the National Hurricane Center's TCR. Also, is it really necessary to add when the storms entered particular regions of the basin? Seems unnecessary to me. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] For distances, you can use something like Google Earth for a simple calculation. It's a tool that everyone can access and verify the information with. As for the region requests, it helps the reader keep track of where a particular storm is, especially if they move back over water. To get times for these, you can simply provide a range (the points before and after it emerged back over water) if the NHC does not provide a specific time. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply] Everything should be good now. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments

Comments

"A Category 1 on the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale, Isaac was a large system that moved ashore the coast of Louisiana on August 12, resulting in 41 deaths." – the wording here is misleading. It leads the reader to believe that it caused 41 fatalities in Louisiana, which is not the case.
"The system slammed into the southern coast of New Jersey as an extratropical cyclone in late October, causing over $75 billion (2012 USD) in damage and 285 fatalities throughout the East Coast." – again, misleading statements. Roughly half of the stated fatalities are not in the United States.
- Personally I'm not a fan of using "slammed" in an encyclopedic context, but that might just be me.
Details on the impact of the storms needs sourcing
"Tropical Depression One develops from an area of low pressure offshore the North Carolina–South Carolina border." – "Tropical Depression One" never existed in 2012. Alberto was initiated as a tropical storm.
"Tropical Depression One intensifies into Tropical Storm Alberto." – reword to reflect changes to previous line
"Tropical Storm Alberto degenerates into a non-convective remnant area of low pressure a few hundred miles north of Bermuda" – direction is wrong and please provide a more definitive distance
"Subtropical Storm Beryl completes its transition into a tropical storm." – Text never indicated it started a transition to begin with, so the wording isn't proper here.
"Tropical Depression Beryl regains tropical storm intensity." – A location would be useful here
"Subtropical Storm Chris develops from an area of low pressure roughly 450 mi (720 km) north-northeast of Bermuda." – "Subtropical Storm Chris" never existed in 2012. Chris was initiated as a tropical storm.
- Please correct subsequent lines to match changes here
"Tropical Storm Debby attains its peak intensity with winds of 65 mph (100 km/h)." and "Tropical Storm Debby attains its peak intensity with a minimum barometric pressure of 990 mbar (hPa; 29.23 inHg)." – Don't use peak intensity twice for this. Just state one as maximum winds and the other as minimum pressure.
Add a line for when Tropical Storm Ernesto crossed the Windward Islands and entered the Caribbean Sea
"Hurricane Ernesto makes its first landfall on Cayo Norte in Banco Chinchorro, with winds of 90 mph (150 km/h)." – Add the country
Add when Ernesto emerged into the Gulf of Mexico
Add when Tropical Storm Isaac crossed the Windward Islands and entered the Caribbean Sea
Add when Tropical Storm Isaac emerged into the Gulf of Mexico
"Tropical Storm Michael degenerates into a non-convective remnant area of low pressure." – Since there are so few reference points of where Michael actually is, add one for when it degenerates
Add when Tropical Storm Rafael moved through the Leeward Islands and moved over the Atlantic Ocean
Add when Sandy finishes crossing Cuba

Bunch of minor changes and additions. Should be relatively easy to patch up. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed the issues with the wording and sourced all the information. As for the locations you requested, none at those particular times were listed in the National Hurricane Center's TCR. Also, is it really necessary to add when the storms entered particular regions of the basin? Seems unnecessary to me. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- For distances, you can use something like Google Earth for a simple calculation. It's a tool that everyone can access and verify the information with. As for the region requests, it helps the reader keep track of where a particular storm is, especially if they move back over water. To get times for these, you can simply provide a range (the points before and after it emerged back over water) if the NHC does not provide a specific time. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  - Everything should be good now. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All good from my view now. Happy to support this. Nice work TA. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment: Archive all online sources with webcitation.org. You can use this page (step-by-step instructions there) to manually archive all online references which will guarantee they remain accessible even if the site goes down. After this has been resolved, I would be happy to support! SoapFan12 11:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just wanted to note that NOAA sources are always stable so there's no real need to webcite them. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 11:28, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I disagree, I do understand where you are coming from but you never know if NOAA goes down, the source won't be available anymore. Therefore, I think it is very needed to webcite them. SoapFan12 11:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trust me, NOAA is not going down anytime soon. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 15:47, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay. Well guess I will have support! *Support: Good job on meeting every single FL criteria. SoapFan12 16:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sucks that this has been at FLC for so long. Here's another support for ya; I hope it helps. Great job on the article! — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:54, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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