- There were at least 4 versions of the NWA United States Tag Team Championship in the old territory days, this is not even mentioned, nor are the three other versions linked to anywhere. with there being 4 versions frankly the name "NWA United Statest Tag Team Championship" should have been a disambiguation but if you can find a way to handle it without a disambig I could be swayed.
- Do you have a source for that? I don't. Which is why I don't mention it.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Considering that there are 3 other articles with the name on Wikipedia is the first clue, they're not the only ones either - and yes actually I do have a source "Wrestling Title Histories" tells me all about the various NWA US Tag titles from the territory age. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well those titles had no roots to this title so I added a otheruses template instead because the creation or use of those titles had no effect on this title.--Truco 503 17:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No roots but they all share a name, so "NWA Umited States Tag Team Championship" without ANY qualifiers is not the proper name for this article as it refers to other versions as well and with 3 other titles on Wikipedia and more US Tag titles out there I'm not sure huge "otheruses" template is the way to go. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The thing is, this title was not a regional championship. It was all over the country with JCP and WCW, and it wouldn't be correct to have a acronym of those 2 companies as the qualifier when the NWA controlled the title most of the time in its history. Technically, they considered this the prime NWA US Tag Team Championship, so making a dab for this would be a bit tricky, unless you have an idea. --Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I happen to know quite a bit about the subject and have several books on the subject so allow me to explain something here. this version of the US TAg Team champions was very much a regional title, it started out as the JCP US Tag and remained the JCP US Tag until it was turned into the WCW US Tag. the NWA Never recogonized ONE US Tag title, there was no "Main" title, just a bunch of regional versions, no one title being "main". Yes it's the title that grew most notable and known definitely, but it was never a "Prime" championship - the NWA had three "Prime" championships, the world singles and two lower weight class singles titles, this was always a JCP championship. There is also no indication that the NWA post-JCP recognized ONE primary US Tag title. MPJ-DK (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No "Reigns by combined length" section for either teams or individuals as is normal in wrestling championship articles.
- I'm working on that now, it may take a "minute".--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Jim Crockett Promotions was always a member of the NWA, it wasn't until Turner brought JCP and turned it into WCW that they left the NWA so mentions of "During this time, JCP was a subsidiary of the NWA" as they were always a member of the NWA.
- I see no difference in wording but I changed it.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You worded it like JCP was at some point NOT a member of the NWA. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe, since I wrote it I saw it otherwise I guess.--Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If Domino and Lewis held it four times as a team, they also held it the most times as an individual then right?
- Very true, I missed that.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I still maintain that only numbers should be centered
- Well that's your opinion.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- I see no reason as to why everything shouldn't be centered, it seems a bit odd to have different alignments.--Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well centering is not going to be the sticking point on this so no worries. MPJ-DK (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The standard for team lists is that the team name is in small.
- Not really, that standard was set up in the List of WCW World Tag Team Champions list, which I expanded. To me it seems better without small font, not all browsers look right with small font in the tables.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The standard evolves, recent FLs for team titles have had it in small, but "consistency" is just my opinion as above. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- True, I changed it to small font. Damn me and my small font :D--Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "First activation" and "second activation" sounds wrong, perhaps use something like "version" or the likes? Activation sounds odd.
- Definition of activation: To organize or create/the act of starting something Activation is fine.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's your opinion, I disagree 110%. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Look I never said "Activation" as a word is wrong, I just think that it's wrong in this context, I guess we'll just wait and see if anyone else comments. MPJ-DK (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sione Vailahi was billed as "the Barbarian", using his real name is confusing.
- My bad, I missed that.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note 2 should sort as if it said "32 days", it does not right now.
- Not necessarily, from February to May is more than 32 days. But it was sorting by April, so I fixed that, but not what you mentioned.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- >Considering the column is for "Lenght" "April" isn't really a valid sort order, "Note" reigns in FLs sort by the least possible amount of days. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No I meant that it was sorting by "4" instead of "5" (April instead of May), which is the correct date.--Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I would prefer that the numbering is switched for the second and third list so that it's the number of the current championship that's first and the overall that's in parenthesis - so WCW US Tag is 1 (12).
- I don't know about that because all the overall reigns are without parenthesis, and changing that to a different format in the other tables would look odd since different formats are used. Bottom line, I think its better when one similar format is being used.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- But they're not "overall" reigns when you add in the Jersey version. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I mean overall reigns as in (all the reigns combined, not counting the promotional differences since the title evolved from the JCP to WCW back to NWA Jersey).--Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Since there were several US Tag Team titles in the NWA is it confirmed that NWA Jersey actually continued the JCP version? and do they really recognize the WCW reigns? If not then they're a title that happens to carry the same name, but not lineage - and the WCW title is definitly NOT in the lineage of the NWA Jersey title.
- I checked the title histories book and while it confirms it exists and gives the same lineage as listed here nothing indicates that it's a continuation of the JCP version of the US Tag titles. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict)Well the Wrestling Titles Histories book is supposedly stating that the NWA Jersey revived the original NWA title and not the one with WCW lineage. Well, also IDK what you're talking about because they don't recognize the WCW reigns, and that's not what's in the article.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- And I'm saying that "supposedly" is wrong, I have the book. Also if the NWA Jersey branch does not recognize the WCW reigns why do you have the "total reigns" list continue on from the last of the WCW regins? MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The title overall is represented as never being two different titles. When JCP sold to Turner and the WCW, it was still defended as the NWA title until Turner renamed it. But overall its still the same title. Then when NWA Jersey revived it, its still the same overall title: the number in parenthesis are just their to tell the reader how many reigns have occurred under the specific name of the title.--Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not arguing "first NWA, then WCW" I'm saying the addition of the 2nd NWA title is wrong. MPJ-DK (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Public Enemy has a team article, link it.
- Link added.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources
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- Alright I think - I will check to see if the book actually links these two versions of the championship of if that's a solie.org creation.
- They most likely are from the book because if it weren't they would have noted that different editors created the page.--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As i said before, both in the book but Solie.org were the ones that created the connection between them - that is not from the book. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- What do you mean? How does the book list both of these titles?--Truco 503 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It lists the original NWA title as beign replaced by the WCW one. It does not mention any connection to other NWA US Titles at all when it lists the NWA Jersey version, it always lists it's official "predecessor" like say WCCW Tag to USWA Tag. MPJ-DK (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Thats okay ;)--Truco 503 16:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, let me sort this out. The book officially states that the Jersey version is another version of the title with no connection to this one, correct? If that is so, I should create an article just for that list. Then leaving this one just at 19 reigns and ending with the WCW reigns. In addition, I can then rename this article the WCW United States Tag Team Championship, since that's what its last name was (eg. WWWF United States Tag Team Championship). With that being said, a dab can be created for NWA United States Tag Team Championship, what do you think?--Truco 503 20:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that would solve all objections I have left about this list, you can turn the current name into a dab then for the
four five different versions of the NWA US Tag title. MPJ-DK (talk) 21:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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