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File:Sports Illustrated January 29, 1968, UH UCLA.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:2006 German Sports Illustrated Cover.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep, pending consensus to the contrary being developed elsewhere Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 19:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. --Mr. Lefty (talk) 02:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The cover image is notable and is discussed in the article: "Teams started asking Detroit to change its pitching rotation so Fidrych could pitch in their ballparks, and he appeared on the cover of numerous magazines, such as Sports Illustrated (twice, including once with Sesame Street character Big Bird), The Sporting News, and became the first athlete to appear on the cover of Rolling Stone." This illustrates "Bird-mania" where Fidrych was the talk of the Baseball and even the non-Baseball world. I had originally placed the pix in the section with this quote, but it has now been moved to the info box - I'm not against moving it back. Note that I removed this picture from 2009 in Baseball [1] because I didn't believe that it was fair-use there. Smallbones (talk) 04:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Nomination withdrawn. --Mr. Lefty (talk) 02:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The previous picture was not Matt Smith in costume as the Doctor - this new picture is. I would argue that the other one should be removed from the article.
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Most of nominator's original objections no longer apply, and no additional arguments have been raised in more than two weeeks. Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 19:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Image no longer redundant as it is now the only image on that page. More material has been added about the comic strip. Image has been reduced yet again (for the fourth time). Page looks great. Thanks for your help! Pepso2 (talk) 15:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn/Kept. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 01:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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*Delete: orphaned duplicate of File:Town of Marettimo Casa Romana.jpg. Withdraw deletion: that solution works for me. ww2censor (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not terribly familiar with how far Wikipedia's WP:FAIRUSE currently exceeds the actual legal doctrine of Fair Use and I don't have that strong of feelings about these things, but I'll note a few points: The media coverage of LTCM is actually quite significant as it was really the first time that the world of derivatives and hedge funds and the entire shadow banking system entered the main stream. Thus the cover is a bit more historic and relevant than the WP:FAIRUSE rationale and the article currently suggest ie it may be preferable to improve the article and WP:FAIRUSE rationale rather than do away with it entirely. Another consideration is the much discussed magazine cover effect for the subjects of the major business magazines. Here's Paul Krugman[2] or the WSJ[3] and it's just generally a favorite topic for dissection among observers of finance[4][5]. --JayHenry (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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File:EIIR-different.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 15:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Not at all. Unless the three images are all required to significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject in a way that could not be done without the images, then they clearly fail WP:NFCC. It can be explained (and indeed, is explained) in the articles that the Queen is the head of state of these differing countries and does not need the images for the reader to understand that. There may be a case for including each individual item in its own article (Monarchy of New Zealand, Monarchy of Canada, and Monarchy of the United Kingdom) - indeed Monarchy of Canada already does - but there can be no justification for including three non-free images in multiple articles that are not specifically about that topic. Black Kite 16:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • By that argument, though, no non-free images would ever be allowed, as everything can be described with words. Of course, non-free images are sometimes permitted, likely as illustrations can augment, and thus decrease the need for, verbiage - a picture's worth a thousand words, to use the cliché. These particular non-free images together illustrate how one person can be three different heads of state. If the file is maybe used in one article too many, well, that's a different issue that can be resolved without deleting the picture all-together. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem is that the picture is three copyrighted images in one, and thus three non-free uses. As I said, the individual images would be much easier to justify - this one can't really be in its present usage. Incidentally, the above does not mean that non-free images are never allowed - clearly an image is sometimes very preferable to text - but they still need to pass all 10 tenets of WP:NFCC, and this one (or these three) doesn't. Black Kite 19:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You've said they don't pass WP:NFCC, but, from the three points you highlighted, I fail to see why not. There are no free images of the Queen wearing the insignia of her different state orders, and one portrait alone does not illustrate how one person acts as three different heads of state; it takes the three images to do so. That could be done with three separate files arranged side by side in an article; but why would that be allowed and one image made of three is not? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, but the point is that the articles don't need the images for the reader to understand the text. The image is used in three articles; in Head of state and Commonwealth realm it is not necessary to use three non-free images merely to transmit the fact that the Queen is head of state of three different countries (these are occurences where text would be perfectly sufficient - WP:NFCC#1), and in Monarchy of Canada only the single image of the Canadian regalia is required. We should only be using non-free images where there is no other method of significantly increasing the reader's understanding of the article(s) (WP:NFCC#8). Black Kite 21:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I apologize for repeating myself, but that takes me back to the point I made about not needing images at all, as text is ultimately sufficient to describe everything. This particular image can be removed from Monarchy of Canada, I suppose, as the shared nature of thec Crown is not the main focus of that article. But, for Commonwealth realm and Head of state, it amply illustrates an intangible concept through physical representation. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 01:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is "The Queen is the head of State of Canada and New Zealand as well as the UK" an intangible concept? Sorry, I don't understand that. Black Kite 11:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personal union and the legal divisions between the different roles are intangible. Those concepts can, and are, outlined using text, but this image illustrates nicely what the words are saying; the Queen is wearing different insignia and posing for different portraits for the exact purpose of physically symbolizing the idea that she is different heads of state. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Those concepts can, and are, outlined using text, but this image illustrates nicely what the words are saying" - in other words, the usage is purely illustrative, thus failing NFCC#8. This really isn't the main point, though - the image is clearly replaceable anyway. Black Kite 17:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What illustration isn't illustrative? And what is this image replacable with? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 22:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • We do not allow illustrative non-free images that can be replaced by text. I think we've pretty much worked out that that is the case. Also, since the Queen is still alive, a free image of her with the regalia is possible - see WP:NFC - "Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image.". Black Kite 00:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, perhaps I just can't see where Wikipedia uses non-free images in place of text; every fair-use image I've ever seen in this project has accompanied related prose. Further, the Queen wears state regalia to formal state functions, to which the general public is not invited and where guests will not be snapping pics of the Queen on their mobile phones; free images are thus not available. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 03:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Black Kite 11:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Okay, you've found one usable free image (I did search Commons, so I don't know how I missed it): the second one, in which the Queen wearing, I believe, her insignia for the Order of the Garter; the first shows her wearing the insignia of the Order of the Southern Cross (a Brazilian honour), and so isn't usable in this context. Unlike the American and Brazilian governments, however, Canada and New Zealand images of the Queen at state functions are under their respective Crown copyrights; so, no free files of Elizabeth in her Canadian and NZ state regalia. If the non-free British segment of File:EIIR-different.jpg is replaced with a cropped File:Elizabeth II, Buckingham Palace, 07 Mar 2006.jpeg, I believe ample justification has already been given for the use of the other two non-free images on two articles. They can either be included on those pages together in one file, or arranged as two separate files side-by-side; save for graphics and some extra work, I don't see much of a difference. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 05:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Have to agree with Black Kite on all points; I can find no case for keeping this montaged-image anywhere on WP; the individual photos on specific country commonwealth pages, yes, but not all three together in a single image. --MASEM (t) 12:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete. No rebuttal provided to explain how this image satisfies NFCC #1 or #8. CIreland (talk) 15:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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If someone could do that I would be much obliged - my graphics skills are not up to it. It is an important illustration for the linked articles. Talk to me about layout of it. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Valid concerns raised that this image does not satisfy NFCC 8. These concerns are have not been addressed or rebutted by those advocating retaining the image.

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File:MargaretWilson.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Deleted for failure to satisfy the significance criteria of the non-free content policy, and also being replaceable by basic text. Since the image is used solely to illustrate the fact that at the time the Prime minister, Governor general and Speaker of the house where all women it seems to me that the image is entirely replaceable by simple text explaining this fact. Also regardless of replacability issues, it is not necessary to see an image of the three women together to understand the fact that all three positions where occupied by women (a fact not touched upon at all in the current version of the article I might add), just capturing a unique moment in time is not sufficient reason to use a non-free image. It needs to significantly increase the readers understanding of the article topic, in this case I have not read any convincing arguments for how this image does that. Just claims that the photo is unique and that the situation itself was significant, neither of which adress why the image is significant for understanding the article. --Sherool (talk) 19:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:RNZAF P3.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: deleted. Consensus can't override policy. Nobody advocating keeping the image was able to demonstrate that it met NFCC #8. Perhaps the comments here were referring to a different version of the article, but I couldn't find this photo or the particular occasion it depicts even mentioned in the text so it couldn't possibly be necessary to the user's understanding of the topic. Images such as Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima or Kent State shootings are iconic and without seeing them, you cannot possibly have a full understanding of the topic. But a photo of a plane sitting on top of snow is not essential. --B (talk) 20:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry, but if we were to follow that line of argument we would never have any non-free photographs in Wikipedia. If that is your aim, then I suggest that this is not the appropriate forum to discuss it and you should start a discussion on the relevant policy talk page. Nick has expained that the there are no free alternatives and the photgraph does illustrate the subject quite eloquently - a picture being worth a thousand words and all that. IMHO, the use in the article in question satisfies all provisions of WP:NFCC, particulalry the one that the image should enhance the readers understanding of the article. Just how many people really have any understanding of what it is like in the Antarctic? The photo clearly places the aircraft in the shadow of Mt Erebus and shows just how hostile an environment it was being operated in, in a succinct manner that is easy for the reader to understand without a very great deal of verbage, that would not in fact convey the same information nearly so well Perhaps this nomination is just a tad over zealous? - Nick Thorne talk 14:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you want an image to show what it looks like in the Antarctic, we have plenty of free ones. Again, what is this image actually showing that needs to be shown so much? This nomination was not overzealous at all- as I see it, this is a pretty standard case of an image not meeting non-free content criterion 8. J Milburn (talk) 22:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Read my previous comment above, you have added nothing. Your argument immediately above this comment could be used to justify the removal of just about all images from Wikipedia free and not free. Given that Wikipedia allows the use of images and indeed encourages their use, this particular line of argument is nul and void. You need to specify exactly which part of WP:NFCC the image fails to satisfy and then if presented with counter arguments (as you have already) you need to explain exactly how and why those arguments fail, if indeed they do. Your opinion that they fail is just that - your opinion - and is meaningless, unless you can back it up. - Nick Thorne talk 03:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My comment in reply to J Milburn applies equally to your "argument". Why do we need any images? The fact is you have failed to demonstrate which criteria for WP:NFCC the image fails to meet. You made no point in your nomination, you only made a bare assertion. Simply making that assertion without providing any supporting argument is not sufficient. - Nick Thorne talk 21:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Non-free content criterion 8. The burden of proof lies with those wishing to include an image, and we're just not seeing what this image is actually adding. Please explain. J Milburn (talk) 22:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not so. The burden of proof always lies with those wishing change to occur - in this case, those proposing the deletion of the file. Reasons why the image satisfies the WP:NFCC criteria and should be retained have been given, in respone all you do is repeat that you don't see it. You have already been called on this yet you fail to back up your assertion and ignore the reasons given for retention. This is not an honest way to debate any subject. Your opinion does not automatically carry more weight than mine, nor that of any other Wikipedian. Back up your position with real arguments and show through the strength of those arguments that your position is the right one, otherwise your position is simply simply fluff and deserve to be dismissed as such. Simply re-stating your unsupported assertion is not an argument, BTW. - Nick Thorne talk 03:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:NFCC: "Note that it is the burden of users seeking to it's include or retain content to provide a valid rationale;" Please, add a comment shamelessly pretending you didn't really say what you said. --Damiens.rf 18:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
NFCC8 is easily met - this is a photo of a combat aircraft (a P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft) during a historically significant and highly unusual operation - it's very rare for combat aircraft to visit Antarctica as international treaties limit how they're used in the region. This photo illustrates the potential for increasing military operations and possible warfare as discussed by the section of the article it's used for. This is very different from the other photo in the article, which is a cargo aircraft performing a routine operation moving supplies to the US scientific base at the South Pole. Nick-D (talk) 07:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I am getting a bit bored with this line of non-argument. For a start, if you expect to be taken at all seriously, it would be a good idea to learn a little about the subject. There is no such place as "Antartica", it is Antarctica, one mis-spelling I can dismiss as a typo but three in a row demonstrates either abject carelessness or ignorance. Secondly, polar bears do not co-exist with penguins - polar bears inhabit the Arctic unlike penguins which live in the Antarctic, about as far apart as you can get. Finally you continue to make the assertion that for some reason you think that a photograph of a historic event is not worthy of an illustration. Why is that? What exactly is your agenda here? As for you non-sense that there is nothing visual "about the information" I could equally argue that about any image you care to name. A perfectly valid description of any photograph can be made, to use your "argument" as you have WRT to a historic event, it could be argued than no photographs should ever be used in Wikipedia. Get some perspective outside you narrow little box. - Nick Thorne talk 06:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Utter nonsense. There is a whole paragraph devoted to the subject. - Nick Thorne talk 01:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What Nick said - there's a paragraph on the RNZAF's Orion flights from Antarctica in the article. Nick-D (talk) 22:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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File:New Zealand soldiers in Iraq, March, 2004.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to no consensus. It has not been shown whether the image significantly aids understanding or is merely decorative. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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