Wikipedia Mediation Cabal | |
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Article | Hinduism |
Status | closed |
Request date | Unknown |
Requesting party | Swadhyayee |
Parties involved | Apandey, HeBhagawan, Chris |
Mediator(s) | Addhoc (talk · contribs) |
Comment | Probably going to close soon... |
[[Category:Wikipedia Medcab closed cases|Hinduism]][[Category:Wikipedia medcab maintenance|Hinduism]]
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Dear Admins What is going on? Thank you for taking the time to check into this. Unfortunately, the user Swadhyayee is making it difficult to maintain the quality of the Hinduism page, whether intentionally or unintentionally. The main problem is his refusal to consent to use democratic methods of decision-making, and his insistence in making edits that do not even come close to Wikipedia quality standards. Specific problems include:
To get an idea of the kinds of edits he contributes, just browse through the recent history of the Hinduism article. The following are just a few examples of his numerous edits: [[3]] [[4]] [[5]],
and [[6]]. However, to really understand the difficulties this user has presented to the Hinduism project, I would encourage you to look over his other edits as well, and especially to read the entire conversation involving Swadhyayee on the Hinduism discussion page. (On the discussion page, this discussion begins near the middle of the page with his heading "I have removed Raja Yoga.")
It is really a quality problem. Editors including myself have put a lot of work into improving the quality of the page over the past couple of weeks (feel free to browse through my edits and judge the quality for yourself--especially comparing the article after my edits to the mess it was in a month ago), but we now have to spend a great deal of time trying to convince Swadhyayee not to flood the article with edits which reduce rather than enhance its quality. If you read the Hinduism discussion page, you will see that multiple editors have gone to almost ridiculously great lengths to find ways to include Swadhyayee in the Hinduism project in a manner that is collaborative in nature and that protects the quality of the article. Unfortunately, this user has been unable or unwilling to work democratically and to adhere to the Wikipedia standards of Verifiability and Reliable Sources.
It is not that we want to exclude him as a person or that the substance of his contributions is always bad, but we do wish him to help us maintain quality standards. As evidence of my good faith efforts, on several occasions I have reworded his edits to make them grammatical and have provided citations for his statements, since he never does so himself.
I do not know what the solution to this problem is . I have little desire to ban Swadhyayee from editing the Hinduism page, becasue I think he is acting mostly in good faith, but he has difficulties accepting his language limitations and does not know how to work democratically with others. I I would not complain of his low-quality edits if he did not make them so frequently, but they are so frequent that it is very difficult for editors like me to do substantive work on the article becasue they are kept busy cleaning up after him and trying to reason with him. The only way I know of to ensure quality is (1) to make editing decisions democratically and (2) to cite reliable authorities. When an editor refuses to abide by these touchstones, as Swadhyayee has, the quality and reputation of Wikipedia suffers.
I would suggest giving Swadhyayee one more chance to rise to the Wikipedia standards of reliable authority and collaborative efforts. But I sincerely hope he will not continue to take so much time away from actually improving articles in order to bring up controversy after controversy in which he is the only one on his side. It wastes everyone's time. HeBhagawan 05:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I have read above comments. I am happy that Kylu has rightly understood and commented that "truth" should not be kept aside to resolve dispute. The facts are twisted and chronological orders changed. There is practically no contribution of A.Pandey or any other editor in making the article. Only HeBhagawan is showing interest in making the article. I did not edit the controversial "Raj Yog" matter after 3RR notice. My earlier edits are falsely claimed to be having done after voting. I have strong feelings that it's not only a case of sock puppetry but is suspected to advertise particular school of thougts or books of particular organisation. Sock puppetry need not mean contribution by one editor in different names, even the voting by friends could be a case of sock puppetry. Who from the voters have contributed in making the article? Hinduism is a vast subject with number of facets. No particular school of thought should be promoted while excluding other views not suitable to an editor. My today's comments on discussion page may also be read.Swadhyayee 17:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.
My compromise offer is for all users to agree to accept and offer criticism in good faith, to cite reliable authorities when making edits (especially if other users challenge the veracity of a particular claim), to seek the advice of native-level English speakers when editing English Wikipedia, and to generally just maintain high quality standards. This may mean consenting to something we don't like if the majority of other editors disagree with us. If the quality standards are not going to be high, then this will no longer be an encyclopedia; it will be somebody's personal website.HeBhagawan 05:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
While using the talk page of the article in question to solve a dispute is encouraged to involve a larger audience, feel free to discuss the case below if that is not possible. Other mediators are also encouraged to join in on the discussion as Wikipedia is based on consensus.
Dear All, I would take a very strong exception to the fact that Swadhyayee has alleged a big number of editors of sock puppetry as per his edits on this page above [8]. The voting happened here. Swadhyayee lost 8:1, the sole vote to his views being his own. Here, I would also like to state that, of the eight editors who voted, there are a few admins (atleast one) also. Swadhyayee has alleged that these are group of friends with similar intentions and what not. This is untolerable for me. This is bringing disgrace to the whole community. I would strongly suggest that this user must be banned from editing wikipedia. If not permanently then at least for a few months. So that during that time, he can understand the basic building blocks of wikipedia. My previous offer of compromise stands withheld now. I am recommending a block for Swadhyayee because of the followings (and many more):
The list does not end here. All of the above claims are verifiable in the main article and talk pages of Hinduism and the talk pages of the concerned users.
As far as my contribution is involved, it is correct that I have contributed very little to the article, but that is my preference. I generally prefer to watch an article for possible vandalism and pushing of POVs. The Hinduism article was already pretty big. I did not feel a need for more addition, rather I felt a strong need of reorganization and corrections.
PLEASE BAN SWADHYAYEE from editing wikipedia till he gets his basics right.
Thanks. --Apandey 19:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Swadhyayee 12:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Reply to Apandey - Swadhyayee may be incorect in the content dispute but his edits were in good faith. I find a block unsavory.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
HeBhagawan's reply: I think the Swadhyayee's earlier edits were in good faith, but he has begun to get really out of control. His behavior has been almost malicious during the past few days, for the reasons noted by APandey above. Reluctantly, at this point I must advocate banning Swadhyayee for one week to give his temper a chance to cool down. When he returns after one week, we can try to have a fresh start, hopefully with no hard feelings. HeBhagawan 02:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I think, I can logically convince that HeBhagawan and A.Pandey appears to be one person. The sock puppetry is making nuisance by creating hue & cry to establish monopoly over this article for the reasons best known to him/her.Swadhyayee 18:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I've kept the Hinduism article on my watchlist since opening the case and you are clearly making progress without mediation. I'll keep the case open, I won't intervene unless requested. Addhoc 11:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)