If Kamala Harris leaves office -- for whatever reason -- who becomes the new VP? And how do they get that job, by what process?
Also, is there the same answer/process -- or a different one -- depending on whether Harris leaves the Administration, period ... versus if she rises to a vacant Presidential position? Thanks. 32.209.55.38 (talk) 03:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Under the 25th amendment, the president chooses a new VP, who must be confirmed by Congress. That's how Gerald Ford became VP. --174.89.144.126 (talk) 04:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. How about the second part of my question? Say Biden dies. Harris becomes President. Then what? Harris herself, as the new president, nominates a replacement VP? 32.209.55.38 (talk) 04:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The process is the same in both cases; Gerald Ford automatically became President when Nixon resigned, and he picked Nelson Rockefeller as VP. See also Vice President of the United States § Vacancies. --Lambiam 04:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- At the time, it was commented on that Nelson Rockefeller's accession to the Vice Presidency was extremely remote from the usual election process -- Gerald Ford hadn't been elected as VP or president, so that Rockefeller was not only not elected, he was appointed by someone who hadn't himself been elected... AnonMoos (talk) 09:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Also extremely unusual circumstances, given that Nixon's VP Agnew resigned before Nixon did. A side note, given the extensive financial holdings of the Rockefeller family, a comedian at the time said he disagreed with Nelson merely being vice-president: "Someone who owns something should be president of it!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For more complex scenarios, such as "Thanos snaps his fingers and everybody dies", see United States presidential line of succession Cambalachero (talk) 16:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Reminding me of an unrelated constitutional question: if the seas rise and Florida drowns, does it keep its two seats in the Senate? —Tamfang (talk) 03:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be up to Congress to decide, and could depend on who, if anyone, survived such a cataclysm. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- This point memorably featured in Allan Danzig's 1963 SF story 'The Great Nebraska Sea', which described an analagous situation. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.64.163.219 (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a historical note, before the 25th amendment took effect, the vice-presidency simply remained vacant until the following Inauguration Day. For example, Harry Truman had no vice-president from 1945 until Inauguration Day of 1949, and Andrew Johnson (since he was not reelected in 1868) never had one. If one of them had not completed his term, the line of succession would have determined the new president. --174.89.144.126 (talk) 04:35, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- That's because prior to the 25th amendment, replacing the president on their death was a kind of ad hoc process. Other than the vagueness of the original constitution text, which states only "In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President" &c, it was unclear exactly what that meant. The process by which that occured only happened the way it did from the first time it happened, on the death of William Henry Harrison, until the 25th amendment, was because John Tyler, Harrison's VP, just kinda decided that's how it was going to work. When Harrison died, he just started calling himself the President, and while some people objected and said he should only be the "acting President" or some such, Tyler refused that, and just started being the honest-to-God President, and the U.S. just did it that way each time after that. There was no grand plan, no obvious way it was supposed to work, just Tyler and a whole lot of hubris that established a precedent. And it worked that way for well over 100 years, through the deaths of several Presidents, before they finally got around to formalizing the process. --Jayron32 17:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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