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Evidence presented by HistoryBuffEr[edit]

Evidence against Jayjg

The detailed evidence presented amply supports statements from the Request for Arbitration against Jayjg and more:

Jayjg claims that the evidence presented is not representative of his work. However, he and his team have presented every case where Jayjg's edits appear to be less than his typical extreme POV pushing, and all those examples amount to just a handful of edits.

The evidence shows that much of Jayjg's work is concentrated on producing and preserving biased articles. And his organized POV pushing and frequent user disputes undermine the spirit of community of Wikipedia. As Jayjg is very active in one visible segment of Wikipedia, the goals of Wikipedia are likely to suffer without some modification of Jayjg's behavior, which has not changed appreciably since the start of this RFAr.

1. As Jayjg is still unwilling (or unable) to adhere to NPOV, his editing privileges in Israel related articles should be restricted for an extended period of time. Jayjg should be ordered to follow his own oft repeated mantra and "Propose changes in Talk first". Each and every one of those changes should be approved before being applied, by at least one editor who has no history of promoting Jayjg's POV.

2. Jayjg also deserves a ban for offensive behavior, which he seems to have no intention to discontinue: calling fair edits "vandalism", reverting without an explanation or justification, and bullying editors to submit changes to his preapproval.

3. As a prolific reverter and violator of 3RR, Jayjg should be banned like every 3RR violator, and placed in the "No reverts (except for true vandalism)" status for an extended period.

4. Last but not least, Jayjg has abused sysop rights and tools, but has rarely used his position for noble ends, such as mediating disputes. His admin privileges should be revoked, or at least suspended for an extended period of time.

(By: HistoryBuffEr 18:21, 2004 Dec 14 (UTC))

Response to Evidence against HistoryBuffEr

Let's review the Jayjg's Statement of complaint (bold emphasis added) in light of the: evidence against HistoryBuffEr, evidence in response to complaints and evidence against Jayjg:

As the evidence above shows, it is actually Jayjg who is advancing extremist POV on Wikipedia, which he treats as his private sandbox. Just like with Jayjg's disingenuous RfM, which he admitted was intended to impose his POV on HistoryBuffEr, Jayjg is essentially asking the ArbCom to help him get his way on article edits.
HistoryBuffEr 19:58, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)
This is a breathtaking passage, consisting of nothing but dishonest editorializing:
  • HistoryBuffEr has more Talk posts than Jayjg (relative to their total posts.)
  • Where are the examples where HistoryBuffEr refused to discussed edits? (Jayjg's requests for everyone to submit edits to his preapproval do no count as invitation to discussion.)
  • Where are the examples of HistoryBuffEr "ignoring Talk pages"?
  • Where are the examples of HistoryBuffEr "bullying with warnings and threatening with bannings on Talk pages"? Fair warnings of 3RR and NPOV violations are not bullying but required by rules.
HistoryBuffEr 19:58, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)
Another bald lie by Jayjg:
  • As shown in the evidence above, it was actually Jayjg and his band bullying others to force consensus where there wasn't one. I simply pointed out that we should follow the rules which state that VfD lasts for 5 days.
  • Cecropia, who was arguing otherwise (and biased because of voting in the VfD), soon ceased objecting.
HistoryBuffEr 19:58, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)
Yet more "solid" evidence. Where is the proof that these edits were made by HistoryBuffEr?
HistoryBuffEr 19:58, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)
Yet another string of misrepresentations by Jayjg:
  • I did not insist on "occupation colonies" as the only way, just argued that it is more neutral. And, in a recent discussion, Gornez, who does not like the term either, agreed that the term was acceptable to include.
  • If this is a "simple example of POV because it is a generally accepted term", what about Jayjg's refusal to accept the generally accepted term "occupation of Palestine"?
  • And what is the crime of "going so far" if replacing the term necessarily replaced a wikilink?
  • Again, where are examples of HistoryBuffEr's "highly abusive comments on Talk pages" prior to Jayjg stating this? There are none, and Jayjg is guilty of yet another false accusation.
HistoryBuffEr 19:58, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)
I have indeed used those terms, but as explained in the detailed reply above, context should be noted. Almost all of these were replies to incessant provocations by Jayjg and his troops, and many of these are merely descriptive of Jayjg and his POV pushing team.
HistoryBuffEr 05:44, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)

Apparently, most of the statements by Jayjg in his request grossly misrepresent the actual record. True, some of my edit comments were "colorful" and not curteous, but Jayjg's numerous revert "slaps", "vandal" calls and bullying to submit changes for his preapproval were far less polite or curteous.

Note that nearly all complaints are (greatly exaggerated) claims of discourtesy, and that none of the few POV editing related claims have been shown to be "highly POV" as claimed. On the contrary, all HistoryBuffEr's edits are fairly reasonable: most are clearly NPOV; those that appear debatable are acceptable as presentations of POV of the other side or at least fair points for debate.

So, the question is whether maintaining decorum in the back-rooms of Wikipedia takes precedence over the readers needs: the neutrality and content of articles.

As little as I have accomplished, it is far more than was accomplished in the area until I started contributing. Many had tried polite and gentle persuasion to advance NPOV in Israel related articles, but most articles were still full of unadulterated pro-Israel propaganda when I arrived. Now, at least some articles have either been revised to NPOV version, or have started moving towards NPOV. Compare these articles before and after I got involved:

Neither NPOV nor balance of editors in the area will be achieved by banning for decorum violations those attempting to fix highly biased articles, while excusing extremist POV pushers because they appear more polite (while being very rude in their actions.) As long as Jayjg and his POV pushing team are allowed free reign in Israel related articles, history suggests that few editors will want to waste their time and patience on futile attempts to NPOV these articles.

(By: HistoryBuffEr 18:21, 2004 Dec 14 (UTC))

Evidence presented by MPerel[edit]

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Evidence presented by Jayjg[edit]

Summary of case

HistoryBuffEr has repeatedly substantially re-written or completely replaced articles with his own POV versions, in a way that makes it extremely difficult to compare to previous versions. He generally refuses to use the Talk: pages to discuss his new articles, while insisting that other editors must post any objections to his new articles in Talk: pages. Instead he often uses Talk: pages and edit summaries to abuse other editors. These actions inevitably incite edit wars, and HistoryBuffEr has repeatedly violated the 3 Revert Rule to support his new articles. He has also furthered his edit warring by inserting totallydisputed and POV templates in articles which he hasn't completely re-written, while refusing to discuss the issues he has with the articles. These actions even continued throughout the arbitration process, including on the evidence pages themselves. Finally, on the articles in question I have generally not added much original information at all, and the small number of edits I have made have been sourced and NPOV. The evidence presented here by me and others supports this summary.

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Evidence presented by Humus sapiens[edit]

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Evidence presented by SlimVirgin[edit]

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21:43, Nov 28, 2004

HistoryBuffEr deleted from Yasser Arafat a large amount of fully referenced material about the 1972 Black September attack on the Munich Olympics in which 11 Israeli athletes died. [174] He ignored requests for an explanation on Talk:Yasser Arafat and on his own talk page. He reverted four times in just over 24 hours.

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08:16, Nov 29, 2004

When asked why he was deleting, HistoryBuffEr initially did not respond, but then did respond with: "Sorry, I don't have time for someone with 750+ edits and obvious bias pretending to need an explanation of editing process. Have a nice day. HistoryBuffEr 08:16, 2004 Nov 29 (UTC)." [179]

8:32, Nov 29, 2004

When asked again, he replied: "When your repeated posts are ignored it's a hint to rethink your argument. As you keep recycling the same trash here and on my user talk, here are more clues: In view of your 750+ edits, your "question" on "removed" material is obvious trolling and will be ignored. Your assertion that 1 unsubstantiated rumor printed in a newspaper counts as 2 "disparate" sources is laughable. Your presentation of Morris, who advocates ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and calls them "a very sick society", as "pro-Palestinian" is worse than a bad joke. Have a nice day, and stop spamming and reverting my user page. HistoryBuffEr 18:01, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)" [180]

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