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User:Gwillhickers is apparently a stamp collector with knowledge of the subject area and he has uploaded many, many pics to commons, which is commendable. However, he has demonstrated an obsession with placing his uploaded stamp pics into related articles with no regard to their noteworthiness or context in the article. His stated position is that the display of stamps, without exception, is much more important and descriptive of the subject than any other images. His arguments are usually based on reasoning such as wp:ilikeit, wp:idontlikeit, wp:noharm, and other stuff exists. When editors note the Manual of Style for images, Gwillhickers initiates a series of repetitive and endless talk page posts attempting to justify his stamp photos. No matter how many other users disagree, and no matter how many links to guidelines and policies are offered, Gwillhickers' insists his philatelist perspectives are correct and he becomes wp:pointy. Gwillhickers regularly interprets the Manual of Style and editor conduct rules to suit his own justifications and continually responds to editors who disagree with him with posts of redundant justifications of his own invention.
Gwillhickers readily employs consensus calls in an effort to garner support for a stamp already opposed by multiple editors. When the consensus call vote opposes his position, he becomes unceasingly argumentative with opposing voters, rather than allowing the consensus to conclude the matter. He continues posting until the talk pages are rendered chaotic. Gwillhickers habitually states that no good reasons have been given to counter his arguments. The end result of his actions halts progress on substantive article improvement. He regularly inserts images into articles without a summary edit description, and readily resorts to edit warring. Gwillhickers also regularly inserts images of stamps without regard to the space limitations of the target section or target article.
Gwillhickers will accept that his view, no matter how correct he believes it to be, is not the only view that matters. If several editors offer good arguments as to why they believe he is incorrect, he will accept that any continuation of the argument is disruptive. Accepting that, he will remove himself from that discussion. Gwillhickers will cease canvassing for support and adhere to the proper procedure of RfC and accept its outcome. He will also refrain from using identical arguments on the talk pages of articles where he has a conflict of interest and cease bringing up side issues that attempt to distract from the original conversation.
While this RfC was triggered by Gwillhickers' behavior at Talk:Abraham Lincoln, there are several articles over the past year that have been stalled and or turned chaotic by his actions; among them Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Harrison. The Jefferson article dispute is one of fringe theories although it has been pumped full of stamp photos. In total there have been five articles disrupted by Gwillhickers. There is no possible way to list all of the diffs that apply to this situation and unfortunately some reading of talk page threads will be required. It's also somewhat difficult to report exact diffs for Gwillhickers due to his habit of often editing his responses five or six times, each time he makes a response.
About 31 March 2010 Gwillickers began to add postage stamp photos to the article. Edit warring began about 15 May when one stamp photo was removed. After several removals and replacements of the stamp pic Gwillickers proceeded to place a npov tag on the article. This tag was removed and replaced several times while Gwillhickers began a series (5 sections total) of "discussion" topics on the talk page where he dismissed the application of MOS:IMAGES to his own favor despite several editors explaining its use. [1] [2] [3]. Disruptive talk page behavior continued until a mediation request was filed by Gwillhickers who then claimed it had been rejected (?) but on 1 June User:Sarah replied essentially backing what the defending editors had been saying all along. She also explicitly pointed out Gwillhickers' disruptive behavior which apparently failed to serve as a reminder to Gwillhickers in the article disputes outlined below. On 7 June, Gwillhickers replied to Sarah still convinced he had done the right thing. Of course this brought on more commentary and a parting shot by Gwillhickers. The result here was that the excess stamp pic was removed along with the npov tag but not without an extremely verbose and combative disagreement. (Information on this dispute was assembled by Brad (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On 20 December 2010, Gwillhickers added a lengthy, poorly sourced section called "Harrison and US Postage" to the article.[4] Believing it to violate WP:TRIVIA, at least in part, I (Coemgenus) trimmed it back and removed the parts not related to the subject of the article.[5] Then followed an extremely lengthy series of contentious talk page discussions. I suggested the material was too tangential to Harrison and should be moved to US Presidents on US postage stamps, if it belonged anywhere. User:Reywas92 joined the discussion and agreed, noting also that Gwillhickers' non-standard HTML coding should be removed. After several days, he agreed to most of the HTML concerns, but still insisted on including the stamps. Gwillhickers rejected all policy considerations I or Reywas raised. I also suggested that his citation, to the entire thousand-page Scott catalogue, was inadequate.[6] User:Collect, who did not oppose inclusion of the stamps, suggested how Gwillhickers might cite the material more specifically. He still has yet to do so (this same situation prevails at Abraham Lincoln, which makes me suspect he does not actually have access to the catalogue he purports to cite).
I suggested some compromises that would mention commemorative Harrison stamps along with other kinds of memorials to him.[7] To my mind, this was still no better than a trivia section, but I wanted to get some sort of compromise and move on. These he also rejected, instead adding even more stamps and postal history.[8] User:JasonCNJ suggested my original compromise was better. Gwillhickers continued to disagree. I asked an experienced editor, User:DrKiernan, to offer a third opinion. He also agreed the stamps were trivia.[9] Gwillhickers disagreed, again, also suggesting that I prove, somehow, that the scholarly biographers don't ever mention this stuff.[10]. I pointed out the impossibility of proving a negative, but by then we had moved on.
I solicited a request for comment.[11] DrKiernan and User:Wehwalt explained the nature of FA biographies, summary style, and reliable sources. Gwillhickers dismissed these editors, who have more than 50 FAs between them. At this point, User:Charles Edward, the other primary co-author of the article joined in to agree that the stamps thing was trivial and tangential to Harrison's biography. This went on, and on, and on, until finally the current version of the page emerged. It's still in violation of WP:TRIVIA, as I see it, but I was exhausted of arguing with him and wanted to get off that talk page and back into writing articles again. I acquiesced, which I regret, because I fear it encouraged the same tendentious editing to spread to Abraham Lincoln. --Coemgenus 16:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On 11 January 2011 in two long threads lasting 3 days at Talk:US Presidents on US postage stamps, Gwillickers argued with Hammersoft and others over interpretations of the Non-free content criteria. Hammersoft was patient and went to great lengths to help Gwillhickers understand the policy. Soon after, several non-free images were removed. (Information on this dispute was assembled by Brad (talk) 22:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Gwillhickers has been disruptive and tendentious for more than four months in 2011 (repeating points he had made earlier) in his arguments against 1) editors' decision to add a paragraph to the Lead that addressed Jefferson's likely paternity of Sally Hemings' children, which has been widely accepted in the academic community for the last decade; 2) with noting her by name; and 3) with addressing their children and relationship in the article. He preferred to have such content reduced or preferably all in the article on Hemings herself. For people not familiar with this issue, there is academic consensus that Jeffersonian scholarship has dramatically changed since 1998-2000 to acknowledge TJ's paternity of Hemings' six children and their 38-year relationship; this is a major change in the scholarship on Jefferson's life of the past 180 years. Books published on Jefferson and race relations in VA since 2000 demonstrate this consensus, and major awards have been made to Annette Gordon-Reed, the historian who led the re-examination of evidence even before a relevant DNA study that showed a match between the Jefferson male line and an Eston Hemings descendant. Because of this, most other editors had a consensus that the issue deserved mention because the nearly 200-year-old controversy had been essentially resolved, that it was "Jefferson's controversy" as he was the powerful, public figure; and that it needed to be discussed sufficiently so that readers could understand the issues.
As the Talk Page Archives 8, 9, 10, and the current talk page show, Gwillhickers' most recent efforts to shape the article according to his views went on at least from January 2011 through much of May 2011, with a circular repetition of points and arguments, moving from asking for a reduction in content, to re-introduction of arguments about Jefferson, the facts, the problems with academic scholarship and the Thomas Jefferson Foundation, rather than focusing on the article. He introduced side issues, argued that academics were all biased, directed editors to introduce content and find sources to prove what he thought were valid and "viable" alternatives, rather than providing sources to support his views. Relatively early on, he neutrally called for a vote on reducing the portion of the main article devoted to Hemings and this issue (saying it was UNDUE WEIGHT), but none of the other editors who voted with him on this issue returned to contribute (even by comments on the Talk page) to the article during the long months that followed. (The section was reduced and has had few comments from anyone but Gwillhickers; it may never reach consensus.) He argued almost alone against several other knowledgeable editors on the Talk page who referred extensively to published historians as sources. He refused to concede to the point of "following academic scholarship," or the many institutions that have supported the conclusion about Jefferson's paternity, arguing they were politically motivated. For instance, as late as April 19, 2011 he wrote:
"Organizations like at Monticello are highly visible and in the public eye are easily goaded or intimidated by the sort of racially charged tactics we saw being used here by an other editor back in March. Elected officials are easily manipulated this way. All you have to do is mention 'racism' and they will jump through one hoop after another for you. I tend to distrust accounts from places like this and from most of academia who often go along with their peers for social/political reasons and to protect/secure their annual grants."[12]
On 1 March 2011 Gwillhickers began a consensus thread and proceeded to canvass uninvolved editors. He was warned twice and instructed to use RfC instead. On March 5, 2011, another editor at the TJ article filed a fringe theory comment related to Gwillhickers' pushing his views and sometimes misrepresenting the views of other editors in his response; it continued until 15 March 2011. This provides another example of the circular arguments and additional viewpoints which Gwillhickers thought should be covered. The reviewer said that the other editors on Thomas Jefferson were properly following the academic sources. Parkwells (talk) 6:12 pm, 31 May 2011, Tuesday (8 days ago) (UTC−4)
After a FAC that closed on 1 May 2011 in which concerns were expressed over the amount of stamp pics in the article, consensus was reached and the pics were reduced per MOS:Images. Gwillhickers claimed on his talk page that the removal of the stamp pics were "illegal removals". On 6 May he began to disrupt a conversation over the removal of stamp pics in this section. On 15 May he began a new thread claiming once again that removal of stamp pics were "needless and petty illegal reverts". On 19 May in this thread he accused an editor of making "slanderous remarks". On 23 May he began this section attempting to gather consensus on the same topic of stamps that already had consensus. This section descended into total chaos and hoping to reinforce his views about stamp pics, he began canvassing on 25 and 24 May leaving messages such as this one on multiple user talk pages. If one of his canvassed subjects did not respond in a manner that Gwillhickers approved of he returned and prompted them to respond correctly. Gwillhickers has apparently and finally accepted consensus on the issue. This was another example of long, disruptive and combative discussion threads on the topic of stamp photos. (Information on this dispute was assembled by Brad (talk) 11:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I have had several encounters with Gwillhickers that left me with a mix of confused feelings concerning his capabilities to be a positive, non-disruptive contributor to Wikipedia. Because I am involved in WP:STAMPS, my encounters were related to articles on stamps, use and licensing of stamp images, and some other WP:STAMPS activities.
Overall, I agree with what is said in Statement of the dispute, Desired outcome, Description and other sections on the front page of this RfC. But I disagree with Gwillhickers' view that we have here false accusations against him. My overall impression is that such a conduct on Wikipedia should be considered as disputed behavior. --Michael Romanov (talk) 02:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I have had my share of debates on discussion pages, like most others. It is merely a gross exaggeration and a personal opinion that these discussions have caused 'chaos' and have 'disrupted activity'. Most of the disputes revolve around the deletion of good faith and relevant contributions with no discussion. -- This is what has initiated most if not all so called "disruptive" discussions. -- I am not sure what user Brad hopes to accomplish with this. Does he wish that I not dispute matters at all? In the latest debate I attempted to gather consensus in an appropriate manner on the Lincoln discussion page by leaving notices to users interested in US history. Brad accused me of approaching users who did not agree with me, which is a flat out untruth, as all I did was point out to 'one' user that he had overlooked the call for consensus. I made every attempt to try and resolve an image issue with discussion and consensus and in response Brad has tried to paint the affair as something dishonorable and deceitful. All I ask is that you look into Brad's concerns in light of this slanderous accusation and that you instruct him to deal with issues in an honest manner. If there is any particular item of concern, please bring it to my attention. Thank you.
Also, please note that this 'issue' only involves the discussion of placement/inclusion of images in a legacy or other appropriate section, and that in every case I have abided by consensus once that consensus was fairly established. The volume of 'complaints' dumped on this page, aside from being a gross misrepresentation of my activity and my intentions, is unwarranted as there has also been no MOS or other policy violations. If I had ignored consensus and carried on with no regard for it, or Wikipedia policy, then there would be a definite issue here. The claim that I am 'disrupting' affairs is false and is apparently only the product of personal scorn, and seems to be made in retaliation to the note/response I left Brad when he accused me of unethical canvassing activity on the Lincoln discussion page, where I had to inform him of what is appropriate canvassing and what is not. Again, I have always discussed matters with a civil tone and have never resorted to misrepresentations or outright slander and have always gone along with consensus. I simply do not know what else users like Brad expect from me. This issue is blown way out of proportion and only brings discord and resentment to the pages in question. If anyone is creating a disturbance it is most certainly Brad, as his approach has been hostile, unfair and unwarranted from the very beginning. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:19, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Brad's opening statements:
I have always included stamp images into sections to which they relate, and have on numerous occasions ( 1, 2, 3) discussed such matters when it was warranted. I am hoping that you hold this editor accountable for these statements and ask him to supply any evidence of such claims.
At no time have I ever said that stamp images are "more important", "without exception" than other images. Here also I am hoping you hold this editor accountable for these statements, and when it is confirmed that I in fact have never made, or even suggested these things, that you will instruct this editor to refrain from making such gross inaccuracies of my activity in the future. -- I have now lost count of the inaccuracies Brad has dumped on to this page. That he is making such statements with no apparent concern for the truth in a transparent forum such as Wikipedia would seem to indicate that this user has other issues he is really dealing with. All I ask here is that this matter be brought to Brad's attention and that he is dealt with in a manner that is appropriate. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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This is in response to the several false accounts Brad has made in this discussion.
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Disruptive editing. I have made honest attempts to discuss matters on the discussion page where these sorts of issues are supposed to be resolved. Brad has yet to provide actual proof, not even an explanation, that any of these discussions has prevented anyone from making contributions. Unless user Brad can supply this material, rather than making general claims, this account remains patently false.
Tendentious editing. Editing? This issue involves talk page disscussions, not editing to the main page, so here also Brad's general claims prove to be discressionary at best and in my opinion, raising an issue like this without actual proof is in fact Tendentious editing on user Brad's part.
Canvassing. This has already been addressed above. Here also Brad's account is less than accurate, as there are indeed several ways to conduct appropriate canvassing. This was brought to user Brad's attention, yet he still comes to this page with yet another false account of my activity.
No legal threats This is a gross misrepresentation. I have made no legal threats to anyone. Please instruct user Brad to supply any evidence of this accusation. In the recent past I have used the term illegal deletions in response to one user, but this was in reference to Wikipedia policy -- No 'Legal Threats' were ever made.
Conflict of interest Brad has yet to outline this activity. I am assuming he is referring to my stamp collecting, and that any edits involving stamp images constitute this "conflict of interest". Is it also Brad's contention that people with a love for America should not be making edits on the various U.S. history pages?
Fringe theories. Here I am assuming reference is being made to the Sally Hemings controversy that occurred on the Thomas Jefferson page. This is indeed a controversy where many items were discussed, on the talk page.
Wikipedia is a transparent forum, so it completely amazes me how anyone can make such a litany of false claims where any claim can be checked on as a matter of routine.
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Maybe the rules have changed, but it was my understanding that U.S. postage stamps are copyrighted and cannot be used freely like most other works of the U.S. government can. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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This is a rather useless RfC - the USPS has rules and guidelines for use of images online, and, as far as I can tell, Commons follows them correctly. This is an attempt to do on Wikipedia what can not be done on Commons. Any issues about improper use belong on Commons and not here, in any case. Images of stamps, banknotes and coins are widely used in reference books and biographies in the "hardcopy world" and so they should be equally welcome on Wikipedia. The editor in question has behaved fully properly and in accord with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and this is an attempt to make what is, at best, a content dispute from a person who dislikes using such images, into some sort of "evil conduct complaint." Everyone should have a cup of tea, and let this one disappear gently into that good night. Cheers.
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I don't think this Rfc is useless. I participated in the discussion at Abraham Lincoln and thought that Gwillhickers arguments became repetitive and he refused to recognize consensus for much too long. Toward the end of that discussion, I reviewed "American Civil War" and was bothered that there were so many stamps on that page that it looked like an article about stamps. I advised Gwillhickers to moderate his use of stamps on all articles as it seemed to be overly contentious and to adversely effect content. (Also, there are often better, more relevant, and more interesting pictures.) With the help of other editors, we convinced Gwillhickers to remove many of the stamps in the civil war article, and to his credit, he did so, but not until Gwillhickers unfairly attacked another editor. (see Talk:American Civil War#Images and postage stamps). Gwillhickers is obviously committed to stamps and putting them in articles. As noted on the talk page for this Rfc, another uninvolved editor says that Gwillhickers goes against consensus, as he does so. That may sometimes be true and I would not doubt it, given my limited review of the record. I really wish he would create articles about the stamps, themselves, instead of these fights, and moderate his use of stamps.
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After reading a bunch of the talk page back-and-forth cited above, I was left with a bad taste in my mouth and a thought or two of quitting WP altogether. No one is covering themselves in glory here; the disputants are skirting the bounds of acceptable behavior when they start making references to other editors being "lying" or "slanderous" or "dishonest" or "edit warring" or whatever. Quoting newbie editor mistakes from over a year ago is not evidence of anything, except that newbies make mistakes. Everyone needs to take a chill pill, and really assume good faith even if the other person wholeheartedly disagrees with everything you're saying.
I think this case is an example of a deep flaw in the FA process, which is that it can become an echo chamber where a small group of like-minded editors fend off anybody who disagrees because it's not "consensus", as if a half-dozen editors among 15 million ever plausibly represent a supermajority view. It's Gwillhicker's bad luck to be interested in a less-popular aspect of popular subjects. Although I admire him for persevering (whereas I've given up and try not to think about the FA process anymore), realistically it's just too hard to get anything new or different through the hermetic seal, and my advice is that he could be happier and more productive avoiding FAs and working on other articles.
That said, I am deeply disappointed in the complainants here. I don't have any advice for them, because my impression is that they are smugly convinced of their own rightness on everything, and if Gwillhickers does take my advice, will simply interpret that as justification for reprehensible behavior.
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I first encountered Gwillhickers in February 2010 when he added File:USS Constitution 150 Anniversary Issue of 1947-3c.jpg to the USS Constitution article; an article that I brought through FAC in late 2008. I had long thought that a pic of the Constitution stamp would compliment the article so I was glad to have the addition. I made some corrections to the position of the pic and removed some unusual (for a FA) html in the image caption. All was well until later in the year when Gwillhickers returned and replaced the html and made some other edits to the photo like removing alt text that went against Mos Images. I corrected them again and a short while later Gwillhickers changed them back. I probably left a note on his talk page about his odd edits (I can't find the thread) but the conversation continued on my talk page where I further explained the reasons for Mos Images. Gwillhickers began to debate Mos Images however he also agreed not to make the changes again. I did not see a reason at that point to continue the conversation.
In March of this year I was canvassed by Gwillhickers regarding the controversy then taking place at the Thomas Jefferson article. I thought it was strange to be contacted out of the blue on a topic I had never even edited on. When I visited the article talk page I found a full blown war going on over several different topics or so it appeared to me at the time. I did not partake of the chaos as Gwillhickers appeared to have been the instigator of the ongoing disputes.
In April of this year I submitted USS Chesapeake to FAC and began helping out with existing FAC articles and their reviews. I found the Abraham Lincoln article listed there and worked in earnest on the review. After the FAC closed without promotion I decided to stay with the editors and help improve the article in the hopes that the next time it went to FAC it would pass. The synopsis above in the evidence of disputed behavior area is what I saw and witnessed after Gwillhickers discovered the stamp pics had been removed from the article. While that debacle was progressing I recalled that Gwillhickers was the one who had canvassed me on Thomas Jefferson so I decided to revisit that article. I discovered there that months of disruption had been carried out by Gwillhickers. Picking up on other comments that editors were saying at the ongoing Lincoln debacle I began to look around at other presidential biographies and noticed the abundance of stamp pics and ran into the stamp debate at Benjamin Harrison. More and more over a period of days I found additional instances of Gwillhickers' campaign and disruptions for stamps.
At that point I felt that some sort of solution to the disruptions had to be implemented. I felt there were several policies being violated in many articles with many editors. I wasn't sure exactly what process should be used but after reading around and realizing that Gwillhickers had already been given various warnings about his behavior (especially at Alexander Graham Bell) I figured that RfC/U was the best place to begin. I started a draft in my user space and contacted several editors who were the most involved in the disputes in the various articles. While some of them didn't bother to respond enough of them did to add their own experiences and certify this RfC.
While I'm the one who decided to gather information for this RfC and actually clicked the post button when it came to filing it, this RfC was an entire group effort in the making. After the filing of this RfC many other editors have appeared with more and more information on Gwillhickers' behavior than I ever expected. One thing I'm not surprised over is that Gwillhickers' response above here levels the gun directly at me and blames the filing of the RfC to justify his behavior.
I've been editing WP for over five years and to my best recollection this is the first time I ever felt like I had to file some report about another editor's behavior other than vandalism or the like. I'd much rather be doing something else. The essential reason why I'm even bothering to add this personal view of Gwillhickers' behavior is because I feel that No Legal Threats hasn't been explained completely. Going by the perceived legal threats I feel that Gwillhickers has most certainly geared some of his responses to be perceived as legal threats. Since at least one of his threats (slanderous) was aimed at me during a dispute I didn't take it as a simple mistake.
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