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18 December 2022

– This SPI case is open.

Suspected sockpuppets

• Dragonkingluv23 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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I believe that the two accounts in question are being used as sockpuppet accounts based on my interpretation of the existing facts. My suspicions were first raised when my removal of content [1] that was written by Simpleshooter99 [2] was immediately reverted by Dragonkingluv23 [3] on an article that had until our exchange very little edits to it. Further investigations revealed more oddities. These included heavy involvement in disputes by both users concerning User:FobTown, shared orthography and use of syntax (example set one: [4] and [5]) (example set two: [6] and [7]) (example set three: [8] and [9]) and a shared modus operandi which has included: an intense focus and aggressive patrolling on a small number of articles, all edits being made on a mobile device and consistent use of paragraph-long edit sumaries. My deepest apologies to all if the accounts do not turn out to be sockpuppets but there are simply too many similarities here for them to be dismissed simply as “coincidences.” Stormandfury (talk) 07:48, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It should first be emphasized that Dragonkingluv23 doesn't truly edit the same articles as mine. So there's no deliberate socking.[10] I created Dragonkingluv and only edited like 3 articles. Then I stopped completely.

Then many months later I created Simpleshooter99 without thinking too much. I started editing from that account however I Noticed on October that a sock of Fobtown was undoing my edits on an article that Dragonkingluv had edited on.

And if I edit that same article that Dragonkingluv had edited on using Simpleshooter99. Then that would be against the rules.

I also knew that Fobtown is obsessive and hounds my edits so I also didn't want him to get Simpleshooter99 back to his attention. I don't want to waste my time edit warring with him so I didn't disclose that Dragonkingluv was also my account because I didn't think I needed to disclose it. And also felt he had forgotten about Simpleshooter99. Clearly he hasn't.

But please take a look at the edit history of Dragonkingluv23. Dragonkingluv and Dragonkingluv23 don't edit the same articles as Simpleshooter99, with only one exception. That was just a mistake as I deliberately try to never edit the same articles using both Simpleshooter99 and Dragonkingluv23. Today was a one off. Simpleshooter99 (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“The editors” have edited the same page, that’s what triggered this investigation in the first place. You used your Simpleshooter99 account to upload information onto the Shanghai communique article [11] which I removed [12] and you through your sockpuppet Dragonluv23 account immediately reverted [13]. All this on an article that had until our exchange very little edits to it. Do you have anything to say about the other oddities and the supporting evidence that I’ve raised? Like your peculiar use of syntax and spelling on both accounts? Your consistent use of paragraph-long edit summaries? Your constant use of a mobile device to make your edits? Or are you going to continue to deflect by sticking to your unconvincing “happenstance” alibi? Stormandfury (talk) 09:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Secondly it's been a long day and and mistakes happen. I didn;t think i needed to disclose this and had my hands full all day and only made one mistake, which was completely accidental. but with the one off exception of shanghai communique. Where did I sock? socking is when you deliberatly edit the same page with two accounts.

I didn't feel bothered to disclose everything but i think I created dragonkingluv23 first a year ago. And edited a few articles. Then many months later I created simpleshooter99 but not with any intention to sock. I didn't edit any articles that simpleshooter99 edited on, Also i stopped using dragonkingluv23 and was no longer active.

However later i noticed an editor undoing all of dragonkingluv23 edits on huawei's page on ocober. his name was jadkrusade and a sock of fobtown. even though i was no longer editing with dragonkingluv23 for many monhths,I didn;t think it was wise to edit the same page that dragonkingluv23 had edited before using my account simpleshooter99, as that would be abusing multiple accounts. and hard to explain because it;s against the rules.

So i DELIBERatlely logged out, and logged into dragonkingluv and edited that page just for those edits alone. tHis is because i didn;t want to edit the same pages using the same account. Later i recognised that jadekrusade was fobtown and then filed a sock report against him. and admins found out that he was indeed canada ontario based fobtown.

Then i logged out of dragonkingluv23 and continued to edit with simpleshooter99 an I made deliberate decisons to not use simpleshooter to edit the same article as dragonkingluv23. that can be proven if you look at our edit history.

however just once only for today, i made JUST ONE mixup but that was accidental. look at this edit i made today https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1128067400

I had wrote that i was very confident that stormandfury undid my edit on shanghai communique. clearly i was mistaken and got the accounts mixed up and didn;t double check. but i can prove that i made deliberate effort to keep the two accounts separate and not edit the same articles.

i never intended to use dragonkingluv23 to edit new articles because i knew that fobtown would be watching those edits. so unless i am editing high speed rail in china or huawei topics or economy of china, which is the only topics that dragonkingluv23 edited on or reporting on fobtown. i don;t even use dragonkingluv23 anymore. and that can easily be seen in my history log. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonkingluv23 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So what you are essentially saying is you admit that you’ve been sockpuppeting but nonetheless want a get-out-of-jail card even though you have no issues trying to lock me out of Wikipedia by baselessly accusing me of committing the very transgression that you’ve been guilty of. What mind numbing arrogance. Stormandfury (talk) 10:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

if you are fobtown, then admins will know soon enough and i think fobtown will know by now why i was able to easily recognise he is socking and got 4 of his socks blocked. :)

And like i said before, mistakes can be made but I didn't intend to break any rules but i think I created dragonkingluv first almost a year ago. And edited a few articles and then stopped completely, Then many months later I created simpleshooter99 but not with any intention to sock. I didn't edit any articles that dragonking edited on, Also i stopped using dragonkingluv23 and was no longer active for so many months. but dragonkingluv wasn;t blocked, i just stopped using it.

dragonkingluv edit history [14]

but it;s because later i noticed an editor undoing all of dragonkingluv edits on huawei's page on october. his name was jadkrusade and a sock of fobtown. even though i was no longer editing with dragonkingluv for many months,I didn;t think it was wise to go edit the same page that dragonkingluv had edited before with my account simpleshooter99, as that would be abusing multiple accounts. and hard to explain because it;s against the rules. So i DELIBERatlely logged out, and tried to login to dragonkingluv but genuinely forgot my password. There is no way i could remember it. so i created a new account called dragonkingluv23 and edited that page just for those edits alone. This more than enough proves that i made serious efforts to not edit the same article using two different accounts. [15]

today was simply a one off and an accident that never happebned before, and i don;t usually edit woth dragonkingluv23 and forgot that shanghai communique was edited by simpleshooter99.

and look at this edit i made today https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1128067400

I had wrote that i was very confident that stormandfury undid my edit (dragonkinguv23) on shanghai communique. clearly i was very mistaken and got the accounts mixed up and didn;t double check.

but once is just an accident, many times is not an accident. and if i intended to sock using two different accounts, there should be a large number of articles that both accounts was editing together on. yet you can only see one that was accidental

i no longer even inteded to use dragonkingluv23 to edit new articles since october this year, because i knew that fobtown would be watching those edits. so unless i am editing high speed rail in china or huawei topics or economy of china, which is the only topics that dragonkingluv and dragongkingluv23 edited on or reporting on fobtown. i didn;t even plan to use dragonkingluv23 anymore. and that can also be easily be seen in my history log.

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