The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
A non-encyclopedic cross-categorisation. The template duplicates XBIZ Award for Foreign Female Performer of the Year, which appears to fail WP:LISTN itself, and is unneeded. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:NAVBOX #4, a navbox should have an associated article. This one doesn't and National Football League lore was deleted last year (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Football League lore (2nd nomination)). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
((Buffalo Bills))
, ((New England Patriots))
, ((Chicago Bears))
, etc...), which each have culture/lore section(s). It makes sense to have a centralized listing for all of these links. I did this relatively quickly so I'm sure there are areas that need cleanup and additional targets that can be added; each grouping could be listed in chronological order for example. There is currently no centralized location that groups these links together and they are all related parts of NFL history, each notable enough to have a wikipedia article. That is why I created a navbox for it. The "associated article" for the template is NFL history so WP:NAVBOX#4 is satisfied. - PaulT+/C 19:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Good templates generally follow some of these guidelines:note the inclusion of "some". To me that reads at least two of the five guidelines need to be met. I would argue at least three (#1, #3, and #5) are easily met (if not all five with a small amount of squinting). At the end it states:
If the collection of articles does not meet these tests, that indicates that the articles are loosely relatedand there is nothing there *requiring* all five *must* be met. Again, I argue that all five *are* met, but unless I'm missing something I don't see anything specifically stating that it is necessary. - PaulT+/C 19:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
((NFL))
and ((NFL rivalries))
. I agree that there is definitely room for improvement, but that is not a reason for deletion. Also, as I explained above, there was no OR when I created the list. Each link was taken from the existing listings in the culture and lore sections of ((Buffalo Bills))
, ((Miami Dolphins))
, ((New England Patriots))
, ((New York Jets))
, ((Baltimore Ravens))
, ((Cincinnati Bengals))
, ((Cleveland Browns))
, ((Pittsburgh Steelers))
, ((Houston Texans))
, ((Indianapolis Colts))
, ((Jacksonville Jaguars))
, ((Tennessee Titans))
, ((Denver Broncos))
, ((Kansas City Chiefs))
, ((Los Angeles Chargers))
, ((Oakland Raiders))
, ((Dallas Cowboys))
, ((New York Giants))
, ((Philadelphia Eagles))
, ((Washington Redskins))
, ((Chicago Bears))
, ((Detroit Lions))
, ((Green Bay Packers))
, ((Minnesota Vikings))
, ((Atlanta Falcons))
, ((Carolina Panthers))
, ((New Orleans Saints))
, ((Tampa Bay Buccaneers))
, ((Arizona Cardinals))
, ((Los Angeles Rams))
, ((San Francisco 49ers))
, and ((Seattle Seahawks))
and was not something that I came up with independently or on my own. - PaulT+/C 21:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
There is currently no centralized location that groups these links together and they are all related parts of NFL history, each notable enough to have a wikipedia article.For example, where can you find links to each of Music City Miracle, Monday Night Miracle, Miracle in Miami, Mile High Miracle, Miracle at the Meadowlands, Miracle at the New Meadowlands, Miracle in Motown, Minneapolis Miracle, and Miracle at the Met; Immaculate Deception, Immaculate Reception, Immaculate Deflection, Immaculate Redemption, and Immaculate Interception; and/or The Guarantee, The Comeback, The Drive, The Fumble, The Catch, The Tackle, and The Helicopter?There are similar groupings for names of groups of players like defensive and offensive lines (Electric Company, New York Sack Exchange, Steel Curtain, Sacksonville, Bruise Brothers, Orange Crush Defense, Doomsday Defense, Crunch Bunch, Big Blue Wrecking Crew, Purple People Eaters, Monsters of the Midway, and The Hogs); "bowls" (Snow Bowl (1985), Snow Bowl (2017), Freezer Bowl, Bounty Bowl, Porkchop Bowl, Harbaugh Bowl, Fog Bowl, and Ice Bowl); and "gates" (Spygate, Deflategate, Bottlegate, and Bountygate).This isn't redundant navigation because there currently is no way to easily navigate between and among these articles because they are broken up into separate templates by team. - PaulT+/C 15:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
((shades of green))
and shades of green – basically the exact opposite of the point you made. WP:OSE and all that, but I think I've made my point. - PaulT+/C 17:41, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
((Shades of green))
makes absolute sense. The common link is that these articles are all various, well-defined shades of green. My example was ((Things that are green)), which would be an indiscriminate list of articles about subjects that have something to do with green, but otherwise don't have a clear connection. If anything, you made my point for me. I.e. ((Shades of green))
has a clear scope, ((Things that are green)) doesn't; just like ((NFL team history)) has a clear scope, but ((NFL lore)) doesn't. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:51, 14 June 2019 (UTC)There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.National Football League lore was deleted via AfD. Seems like it's gaming the system to change the title of the template to another (unrelated) subject while this TfD is ongoing. Moreover, Template:NFL already has a "History" section. At any rate, this template is currently an WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of "lore", now under the guise of "history" after that mid-TfD template change.—Bagumba (talk) 11:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
((NFL))
has a minor history section, but it is missing the majority of articles about the history of the NFL (specifically regarding the teams but also other areas). I attempted to expand the ((NFL team history))
template to include these pages (inclusive of both ((NFL lore))
being discussed here but also ((NFL rivalries))
, which is also directly about each teams' histories). These changes were unilaterally reverted despite a request for adding these kinds of articles (specifically the history of previous locations for current franchises) by Dale Arnett on that templates's talk page. (See the multiple variations I created to try and accomplish this.) It looks like you prefer keeping ((NFL team history))
focused narrowly on specific team history. That is fine, but then that template will stay focued on teams, which leaves room for a template on NFL history more broadly (and not to nit pick, but the team template would then fail WP:NAVBOX #4 as well if you wanted to get super pedantic). It doesn't preclude a separate NFL history template that lists *in one place* all the articles dealing with the history of the NFL broadly (including "Miracles"/"Bowls"/"Plays"/etc.), which I am suggesting that ((NFL lore))
turns into. This is not "gaming the system" as you are unfairly suggesting – it is an attempt to improve the template while under discussion here, which happens routinely and is in fact *encouraged* while here. Having a template focused on this topic is *not* indiscriminate any more than keeping these articles is indiscriminate – if any article is inappropriate for the project then the solution is to simply bring it to AfD. Having a navbox cannot in and of itself be indiscriminate. The policy refers to article notability – all a navbox would do in this context is allow for navigation between articles. Again, if there is an issue with any specific article having indescriminate information then take that specific page to AfD. If the page exists and is part of a family of topics there is nothing wrong with having a navbox grouping those related articles. The proposed navbox specifically deals with NFL history, which is not currently something that exists and I don't see any reason why it shouldn't. If no one sees any value in having the links I listed above then this whole conversation is moot, but I think it is clearly beneficial to see these kinds of groups/events/articles listed together. - PaulT+/C 17:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)((NFL team history))
((NFL rivalries))
prior to my edits (and my creation of ((NFL lore))
, with the header that Bagumba noted above) when trying to merge them all into a single navbox for NFL history broadly that I linked above. Content concerns/debate notwithstanding, I believe these templates are clearly improved from their original states. - PaulT+/C 17:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused route-map template. The article it links to Justi Creek Railway, uses ((Justi Creek Railway)) instead. Gonnym (talk) 08:44, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was keep. Added to articles after nomination Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused route-map template for a redlink article. Gonnym (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was move to userspace. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:49, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused route map template. Says its a railway in South Africa, while the link Cape Main Line redirects to a railway in Massachusetts. Gonnym (talk) 08:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:46, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused route-map as Caprock Chief uses a different version. Gonnym (talk) 08:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
contain Wiki markup intended for inclusion on multiple pages(emphasis mine). * Pppery * it has begun... 18:20, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused Category ToC template with Hebrew letter support. Can't see this ever being used, as titles are supposed to be in English. Gonnym (talk) 08:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused category hatnote. Gonnym (talk) 08:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused category hatnote. Gonnym (talk) 08:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused category hatnote. Gonnym (talk) 08:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused category hatnote. Gonnym (talk) 08:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Unused category hatnote. Gonnym (talk) 08:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)