NOTOC in header[edit]

Is there a rationale for the NOTOC directive in Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors/header? I would like to remove it so that I can actually navigate to the individual sections of ERRORS. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:57, 16 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If the TOC goes near the top of the page (and not after the lengthy rules list), that would indeed be useful. Should be restricted to L2 headings in my view. Schwede66 21:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I tried an edit that would place it there. On Vector2022 it always goes in the left sidebar. In the other skins it would go after the lengthy rules list by default, but instead I tried placing it under the top banners. Different skins have different defaults for whether it appears opened or collapsed. If it is possible to restrict it only to L2 headings, I don't know how. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:10, 16 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I’ve restricted it, but that doesn’t work with the new skin. Schwede66 02:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, thanks. The limits are less important for Vector2022 because the TOC is more out of the way. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is there an archive of these discussions?[edit]

I know I have my own opinion, but it's worthwhile to preserve the current discussion about the pigache/pulley shoe hook for DYK at Talk:Pigache for future reference. Is there any place where these discussions are kept? do we literally need to link into the page edit record? or is that eventually purged too and the only way to preserve the discussion is to copy/paste everything to the talk page? — LlywelynII 15:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@LlywelynII: No archives of WP:ERRORS are currently kept, so the only way to look at past discussions is by trawling through the page history – you can always create permanent links to specific revisions, which are always preserved, and/or move them to a talk page with ((Moved discussion from)). I think an archiving system for ERRORS has been floated at various times in the past, but it might prove rather tricky to implement since discussions are primarily organised by day/template rather than topic, and will get moved about as content gets rotated from tomorrow's Main Page to today's, etc. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 00:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Scope of WP:ERRORS[edit]

I remember recently we had a discussion around ERRORS about a specific topic where the error wasn't on the mainpage itself per se, but it was in the article. I bring this up as I recently had a second one of these, with this and this being brought up today. I'm thus asking what the scope of ERRORS should be, given this doesn't seem to be going anywhere. The wiki mods seem to be in disagreement over this, specifically @Schwede66: from what I remember opposes putting anything on ERRORS that isn't specifically on the mainpage but the other wiki mod @Amakuru: thinks this is OK. I'm starting a discussion here, is this OK to put errors on ERRORS? Therapyisgood (talk) 01:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To clarify my response to the two links mentioned (as I think my response might have invited this thread), I think that errors in articles are absolutely the purview of WP:ERRORS – the last bullet in the header ("Can you resolve the problem yourself?") would make no sense otherwise. However, article adherence to the Manual of Style is not in the DYK criteria (although parts of it are incorporated into WP:DYKMOS), and therefore falls outside of what ERRORS should be able to require. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:43, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My view is that article problems that would disqualify the article from whatever main page section it's in are worth bringing up at ERRORS. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If the answer to Can you resolve the problem yourself? is no, especially if it’s impacting eligibility, then it’s worthwhile discussing it at Errors. My preference is a "fix it yourself" approach, but some editors lack the confidence to make bold edits. Schwede66 15:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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