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As discussed on that page (and on WP:AN earlier), it is generally a good idea to fully protect templates that are 1) frequently used, and 2) not in need of frequent edits. This is preemptive; we haven't had a serious template vandal yet, but it would be an easy target for them.
Earlier cases have indicated that if e.g. a template contains an offensive image, many users don't know where it actually comes from and fail in their attempts to fix; and as an added problem, any edit to an oft-used template causes moderate to severe server strain, and has been known to halt the entire wiki for several seconds in extreme cases. Any changes to oft-used templates should obviously be discussed first, so protecting them won't actually be harmful to the wiki as preemptively protecting articles might be. See also WP:AUM; the above applies to meta-templates as well or more.
The most logical place for requesting (un)protection of such templates would of course be WP:RPP. I hope it's not a problem to add those requests (which should be few) to this page? Radiant_>|< 22:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I think we need to add a comment that says that if people use the wrong format or put the request in the wrong place, their request might be rejected out of hand. I'm moving 3-4 requests *every day* because people are putting requests in the wrong place. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 05:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
After I made the templates ((ln)), ((la)), ((lnt)) and ((lat)). Perhaps ((article)) shoudl be changed to ((la)) etc...? →AzaToth 16:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Is there a policy or guideline that is followed when deciding whether an article qualifies for semi-protection? I'm not trying to be troublesome. It's just something that would be nice to know. It would help me (and others) decide when to ask for protection, or when to just put up with the problem. The case I'm dealing with now is George Washington Carver. The statistics over the past 136 days: 236 total edits, 160 of which were either instances of vandalism (101 instances from 45 unique IPs) or reversions (59) to deal with same. That leaves 76 constructive edits, a vast majority of which are very minor, ie, typos, puctuation, grammar, etc. (which, of course, is to be expected). So perhaps a dozen or so substantial contributions have been made over the past 4+ months. Other than a handful of minor additions, and some polishing and tweeking, there is not a lot more that can be probably be done with this article. In the meantime, there is at least a 10 to 1 ratio of negative vs. positive contribution. Should this ratio not be a consideration in deciding when to protect? Thanks, Master Scott | Talk 20:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
That pretty much clears it up. If I didn't miss it somewhere, the powers that be might consider publishing those guidelines somewhere, even if they are very loose. Then concerned editors, or at least the ones who bother to look, will have a general idea as to when to request protection. That would save a little time on both ends of the deal. If it is already written somewhere that I have missed, then I apologize. I appreciate your time and insight. Thanks, Master Scott | Talk 23:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
(moved from RfPP)
Voice of All, check a little closer. The page was already protected. The request was to replace the text with a redirect. That's not appropriate for the reasons I described. You re-protected a protected page...with a comment about a revert by an admin who was fixing a redirect to a non-existent target. -Splashtalk 03:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
<---------The text on Nazism and Socialism from Nazism in relation to other concepts was moved to Fascism and ideology on January 11, 2006, See: [4]. The notice about merging and repackaging started here: Talk:Nazism_in_relation_to_other_concepts#Merge_and_repackage.3F.
Sam Spade has tried inserting the same discussion on Nazism and Socialism on multiple pages. This material was removed by several editors from several pages. His edits have repeatedly been resisted by multiple editors on the Fascism page. The page Fascism and ideology was set up to allow a full discusssion of the issue and also the issue of Fascism and Corporatism, which is also a contentious matter. This has gone on for months. But this particluar matter is about the fact that the text about Nazism and Socialism on the page recently restored to the page Nazism_in_relation_to_other_concepts#Nazism_and_socialism is virtually identical to the existing text at Fascism_and_ideology#Fascism.2C_Nazism.2C_socialism.2C_collectivism.2C_and_corporatism where Sam Spade refuses to join the discusssion. There is already a page with the text. And there is already a discusion on that page. Look at the top of the pageNazism_in_relation_to_other_concepts, it states the following:
Explain to me how protecting the out of date page with the arbitrary re-insertion of the section on Nazism as Socialism (already on the other page) makes any sense. See the diff here[5]
The discussion at the now deleted Nazism in relation to other concepts (disambiguation) was based on the redirect from Nazism in relation to other concepts pointing there. The discussion was that it was not really a proper disambuguation page. I agreed to speedy deletion of that page when the sentiment was that a simple redirect to a page that had the Nazism Template would suffice, and meet Wiki guidelines. I did not expect for an admin to go back and restore the page I had redirected to the page Sam Spade had put the duplicate text on Nazism and Socialism. I asked for page protection in the first place to force a discussion at Fascism and ideology.
If you are going to restore the text on the page Nazism_in_relation_to_other_concepts then at least restore the page that existed before Sam Spade plopped the old Nazism and Socialism text back while not bothering to edit the lead that says it is elsewhere. This is the page here: [6], that should be restored if you insist on not redirecting the page to Nazism [7]
I am happy for a discussion, I have invited Sam Spade to take part in the discussion. I just want to have the discussion on the appropriate page.--Cberlet 04:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Should declined requests for protection and ensuing discussions be removed from this project page? NEMT 21:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Who added the Current requests for a protected version/edit section? I really really dislike it. We just don't do stuff like that. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 05:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. I'm gone. No interest anymore. 4 months of this every day was too much anyway. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 11:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not of the opinion that there is any benefit to having multiple sections to either requestors or admins. It's very obvious from the request what is being requested and it's classic instruction creep to erect new rules where the old one were working ok. Apart from that, the actual request is often not granted in the manner sought so the sections would probably cause upset "...but I never asked for...so you can't do it". Then, there are the sections that would basically be nearly always empty, just adding clutter to a low-traffic page. It's easier to nuke the dealt-with requests 12-24 hours after they're dealt with. -Splashtalk 23:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a move-only protection? The Microsoft article has been moved around to Mickeysoft and Microshit recently. The article is obviously correctly named and needs some protection from disruption, but I don't see move-only as an option to request. SchmuckyTheCat 23:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
there are no reasons to delete the Biography of betty chan as i have listed all the proof that she exists and that a bio about her should be written! —This unsigned comment was added by Snob (talk • contribs) .
Apperantly, the page is going a mass-amount of "Dagobyte" vandalizm. an IP editor is randomly replacing random words and sections with the word Dagobyte. And it won't stop. Now, pretty much the only edits to that page are the Dagobtye vandal.
There is a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy#Removal of semiprotection about how improvements can be made in the area of unprotection decisions around high-profile, heavily vandalised articles - please visit that page and contribute if you have a view on this SP-KP 09:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REALbasic
The so called neutral administrators and authors of this article:
1. Have removed information from the discussion page; no not moved, but removed, as I have pdf copies of previous entered text, which no longer appears.
2. none of the information in the article is verfied. Instead they continue to use the deceptive technique of only linking to general computer terms found on Wiki to give the appearance that the article has some verfification; however, none of the information in the article is verfied by independent outside links. It consists of opionion and personal knowledge and original research.
3. When given direct links to other pages, or references to specific page number son books, which direct disprove information contained within articles that they have linked to they continue to refuse to remove the links which contain false information. They were provided a link directly from the publisher of the product which disputed the information in links they provide and yet they refuse to do anything.
4. The make statement sin the article and then link to articles which directly dispute what they said in article, but they continue to do nothing, because they do not bother to read the articles they link to - links to articles are only added to add a false sense of verification.
5. They use product reviews from unknown sources, which solely contain OPION and often contain completely false information; from unqualified sources (anybody can buy a .com address and put up a web page, but that does not make them an qualified expert).
6. They continue to link to reviews on which there is advertising for the product that is being reveiwed. This is clear conflict of interest as the person writing the reveiw gets money from the ads selling the product, thus they are willing to say good things about the product contrary to the facts.
7. They continue to use th publisher of the product as a linked reference source. This is a clear conflict of interest as from own and other's experience the publisher of the product has enganged in questionable/immoral business practices. This is like having the fox in charge of the hen house.
8. they continue to include multiple operating screen shots of the product when wiki says only to use screenshots form operating system.
9. Wiki is suppose to be an encyclopedia, yet they only permit information about the current version of product so as to sell a commercial product on wiki. They do not permit an historical information about the product, yet its 10 years old.
10. They link to articles which contain pro and con sections, yet theydo not permit such on their own page; they only permit positive comments when in fact the product has major defects, some of which have existed for 10 years.
I frankly tired of these administrator and authors using Wiki to sell a commerical product amd want this article article removed - this has t be one of the worse articles on wiki as it DOES NOT PROVIDE VERIFICATION LINKS FOR ANYTHING!
That is a complete lie - links were provided in the article and on the discussion page and the adiministrators point blank said on the dicussion page that they do not care if the information contained in a article they link is false! Is there anyone of Wiki that tells the truth, apparently not! Frankly Wiki need sot have its assed sued into nonexistance! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.0.73.170 (talk • contribs) .
The user page of RexNL, an administrator, is protected. A quick check of the page's history got me the feeling that though it has been vandalised in the past, the last vandalism was way back in January. This page has been protected for just too along and does not satisfy the any of the conditions for page protection (refer Wikipedia's Protection Policy) and hence I feel should be un protected. 202.162.56.29 23:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Who protected THIS page and why? 68.39.174.238 00:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm just wondering why that unprotection request was deleted but the ones before and after were not. The edit summary said "cleanup". Was it too messy? SkeenaR 04:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
An admin refused to semiprotect Nuclear weapon in spite of it being an FA that is vandalized daily by IP users. The edit history contains mostly rvv's. There has not been a useful contribution from an IP editor in eons. Semiprotection would prevent vandalism but permit legitimate users to continue to improve the article. But obviously some moron's right to deface a high quality Wikipedia article with random obscenities is more important than the time of several editors who, instead of making useful contributions to Wikipedia, have to spend all their time reverting vandalism. Wonderful. - Emt147 Burninate! 18:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
After about a 2 1/2 month absence, I'm back monitoring this page. May God have mercy on my soul. ;-) Just pitching in. I don't plan on going full time on it like I once did. --Woohookitty(meow) 12:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
This page can get pretty bloated, maybe we should implement sections for completed or denied requests where they can be kept for 24 hours, such as the system used at WP:RFCU. Comments? Prodego talk 23:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I propose that when a request has been submitted that a page shall be unprotected, this should automatically be reflected on the protected page so that involved and interested parties can follow the process. __meco 20:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Generally, I will post a message in the talk page to call for comments about unprotection for any fully-protected page that has been protected for about two weeks or longer, with no discussion on the talk page about the issues leading to protection for the last week. If there is no response to the issue in 48 hours, or if there already are comments on the page complaining about the protection (which the admins have not taken action on), I will request unprotection on this page at this time. I will do this periodically to ensure that protected pages are either moving towards resolution or at least discussion, and that protected pages are not just languishing in the ether. Calwatch 00:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to ask that my page is semi-protected because it has been vandalized repeatedly in the past.
(Question: if it is semi-protected does that mean that not even I can add truthful information to my page?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.205.234.168 (talk • contribs) .
33 degree mason albert pike (the kkk guy) seemed quite interested in saying that lucifer is the god of the masons. On July 14, 1889, he issued formal written instruction to the "23" Supreme Councils of the world. Here he gives us a very good look at the inner order of Masonry. As follows: "That which we say to the crowd is 'we worship God', but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors, General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees, the Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luceferian doctrine."
and aleister crowley (33 degree mason & one of the most influential satanists known) seemed to think that lucifer is apollos, thor, and the 'Sun Father'.. In Magick-Book 4 * Liber Aba, Crowley calls Satan the Sun-Father: “...Satan, the Old Serpent, in the Abyss, the Lake of Fire and Sulphur, is the Sun-Father, the vibration of Life, Lord of Infinite Space that flames with his consuming Energy.” which interests me; because in masonry symbols there is 1) the swastika (which was used HEAVILY before WWII) and basically represents the 'sungod', and then 2) the mason symbol with the G in it (the up and down V's; called chevrons) http://www.lightspeedfineart.com/Photos/SG1/Davis4thumb.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.80.8.2 (talk • contribs)
Someone deleted my request for unprotection without any reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob000555 (talk • contribs)
someone deleted MY request for unprotection without any reason given, as well. Rivka 13:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
isn't this the last page in the world that you'd want to leave sprotected? it makes it impossible for anons to use--152.163.96.167 05:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Out of control vandalism, please protect/sprotect--152.163.101.12 23:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
What to do? I asked for semi protection for Raul Castro. Where an anon with a roving IP address is repeatedly insisting on the sentence "rumored to be bisexual" citing an obviously unreliable source. Whatsmore, the anon is becoming increasingly uncivil in their edit summaries to those who remove the claim saying "stop vandalizing the article and removing my posts or I will start vandalizing yours!". Due to the roving IP addresses, it is not easy to address the user directly, plus the threat by that user to start vandalising my posts places me in a more difficult position. The page protection was summarily denied. Where does that leave the page - which is a living persons biography and should be treated as such - or me as I've had to remove this 4 times now?--Zleitzen 13:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
This policy seems to have gotten unnecessarily bureaucratic if it really takes days of additional debates just to convince an admin to remove a protection tag once it deserves to be done.--Nectar 22:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
The Carlos Mencia entry has temporarily been protected because of recent vandalism. The history of this entry shows it has been a target of vandalism as long as it has existed. I warn that it probably will continue to be vandalised while the controversal celebrity is popular.
Description of Vandalisms Joe Rogan released a statement on his website claiming Carlos Mencia is half german, not half mexican, which is hearsay at best. Since then Joe Rogan fans and Carlos Mencia not-fans have been trying to slip that information into the Wiki. To date all reliable sources that remark on his ethnicity and heritage, including Carlos Mencia's own official Biography available on his website www.carlosmencia.com, directly disprove the accusations.
Internet rumors should not be presented as fact with Wikipedia's name behind it.
On a side note, not all of the vandalism has been removed, see discussion page for more details. --Didonato 20:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Request someone add this to the "Requests for Unprotection":
This and below have been protected for 2-4 months. 68.39.174.238 10:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
This and above have been protected for 2-4 months. 68.39.174.238 10:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The below text, added to "Requests for Unprotection":
This has been protected for about 10 days, which is about/a little over the length of previous protections. Also, given the nature of this page, protection can cause obnoxious problems (Like having to request requests for unprotection). 68.39.174.238 03:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I asked this question at Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy, but no one seems to be monitoring or answering over there....
Is it technically possible to protect an article against just a range of IP Addresses, such as 89.50.*.*, rather than using a "full semi-protect"? --Brian G 21:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I would ask for page protection for the Paul Weyrich webpage. It has become a site for constant vandalism. When I try editing out the editorializing aimed at defaming him, it constantly gets reverted. It has become a tiresome edit war. As a friend of Mr. Weyrich's, I don't mind if criticisms are represented on the page, but when I try making the words used more NPOV and fair they consistently get reverted to a more venomous version. --68.45.161.241 22:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how long the page for mulattos has been protected, but can we resolve this issue so we can edit. Or can we at least just attach the list of notable mulattos to the page so we can get rid of the list that is on the actual page, only taking up room?Americanbeauty925 03:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I have been watching the large amount of vandalisms, reverts and spurious editing, many by unregistered users. Wikiipedia is an open source project, but is now very mature.
I believe it is high time to block any non-registered users from any form of editing. Virtually all other forums that I have used during the last 10 years require registration before adding new content.
I was very surprised when I registered that I was not requred to provide any identification. All other forums require as a minimum providing full name, and a verifiable e-mail address. They generally also require a mailing address. Adding this requirement to registration would perhaps not stop all spurious registrations with numerous ID's (to get around 3R rules and bias discussions.) But it would cetainly slow them down.
Syrenab 17:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Unregistered users is wonderful, but if you are interested in editing, one should register, I did and the vast majority of editors have - it takes less than 2 minutes. Without requiring registeration before editing, how are you ever going to control the continued vandalism?
Syrenab 16:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
re: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_29#.5B.5BTemplate:Protectbecause.5D.5D
Such a navigation by an 'editor in need' may (likey! It did me <g>) take place via for example
Some user's way of asking for page protection without visiting WP:RFPP and without specifying a reason for the request. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 10:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
(({category|[[Category:Wikipedia protected edit requests|((PAGENAME))]]))}
Note the auto-category Category:Wikipedia protected edit requests I nowiki blocked around before substing. I presume that's a patroled cat, and if this pops up it may alert someone that work is pending.
The noninclude parts of the proposed template page have some additional usage annotations helpful to the newer users, and who have stumbled onto this template via a category search or whatnot. As such it helps disseminate the 'proper procedures and places to go'.
Oh! The reason I think this should be kept is it's a good reference to how the process works and serves as a notice to others that the protection request is outstanding. Someone else may well stumble on the Category:Protection templates, as I did, or via a protected page (as I did) or remember seeing it's cat since it has a nice simple easy to remember name. It's name as template is useful to provide a editor friendly starting point however they find the thing.
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in the Protection templates row (i.e In the Wikitable boxed at top center), and certainly on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.
There are way too many articles which crop up here for unprotection having been left protected without question for months after the editwar that started it. Page protection is an unfortunate necessity, and the more it is used the greater its blemish on the "everyone can edit" ideal. We need a more effective way of clearing up old forgotten protections than for someone who knows the process to stumble across them.
The ideal would be a special page listing protected pages in date order. Maybe this is to technically burdenous (comments please from a tech admin) in which case I suggest adding dates to protection templates like the cleanup templates do, so we can view monthly categories. Anyone with me on this? BigBlueFish 08:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
This page should be categorized and I have done this but my edit was removed by VoABot. Can anyone rectify this? --Siva1979Talk to me 08:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
What is the purpose of having these image templates, and moving fulfilled requests between sections? All that needs to be done is to protect or unprotect a page, and then the entry can be removed. —Centrx→talk • 05:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
For articles where the protection or unprotection request is granted, the requestor knows by looking at the respective article that the request was granted, so they may just be removed? Also, what is the bot doing with this page? —Centrx→talk • 23:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I regularly find myself posting requests for semi-protection here due to excessive anonymous vandalism (my criteria for "excessive" is 10 vandal edits in 24 hours). I notice that RFP is often backlogged, which means that by the time a request is responded to, lots of time would have been wasted dealing with anonymous vandals.
Before semi-protecting an article, admins have to determine whether there is sufficient vandalism to warrant semi-protection. Since I regularly post requests here, I am considering increasing my participation by commenting on requests, usually by posting the number of vandal edits to the article in the past 24 hours. This will help admins in their judgement, so they can respond to requests faster, thus reducing backlog.
I am not an admin, and the day I become one will be the day Microsoft goes bankrupt. Although my intention in increasing my RFP participation is not to become "admin material", I believe that in the unlikely event that I run an RFA, my participation in RFP would boost my chances. I currently help revert anonymous vandalism, and I consider semi-protection as a method of preventing vandalism and reducing the time wasted on dealing with it.
Based on all the information I have presented here, and any other information applicable, do you think I should continue with my plans to increase RFP participation by commenting on requests? Please explain your answer, so it will be useful feedback to me.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 16:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
What I had to go through to get the Halloween article semi-protected yesterday was ridiculous; and points to a breakdown in the page protection system. When you have admins spouting incorrect information as their reason for not protecting the article (that articles linked from the main page cannot be semi-protected, when only the Featured Article is specifically restricted from said protection, unless it’s being attacked), while vandals are being reverted at a rate of seven times a minute, something is terribly wrong. And then when the page is finally protected, another admin un-protects it, saying that Halloween is over. Maybe in his universe. Halloween is like a world holiday for vandals, second only to April Fool’s Day. Are we surprised that they attacked the Halloween article on Halloween? I'm not one for preemptive protection, but after the first, oh, fifty reverts, I would think that it would be academic. Maybe I'm wrong. -- Weirdoactor 15:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
request unprotection to add brief on Confederation of the Rhine and German states during Napoleonic era. The period spans nearly 2 decades and was a formitive period in German history, in particular the consolidation of numerous kingdoms and principalities - Napoleonic Wars had a lasting impact on Germany, ushering in the rise of nationalism.
request unprotection to add brief on Confederation of the Rhine and German states during Napoleonic era. The period spans nearly 2 decades and was a formitive period in German history, in particular the consolidation of numerous kingdoms and principalities - Napoleonic Wars had a lasting impact on Germany, ushering in the rise of nationalism.