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I've noticed that a number of rather minor settlements have had stub articles started on them; an example I came across today is Barbridge in Stoke CP. I'd propose that we discourage this, as it leads inevitably to duplication of effort, unless the settlement straddles CP boundaries (eg Ravensmoor). I'd suggest that until the article on the hamlet has enough material (at least a paragraph) to stand alone, it would be best just to redirect to the civil parish. We could perhaps bold the names of the more substantive settlements in the CP articles, as I note has been done in some cases. Thoughts, anyone? Espresso Addict (talk) 12:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I've proposed Bridgemere at DYK (30 Jan), but will be away from my computer during the time it will be reviewed. If someone could check up on its progress that would be useful. The largest garden centre in Europe claim appears in numerous sources (and indeed some claim in the world) but appears to be on the basis of its total area rather than display area, sales or visitors etc, hence my hedging with "one of the largest". If I get a moment tomorrow I will try to get to the library to check out the Guinness Book of Records in which it is supposed to have appeared, though it might be in an old edition. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Please comment at the deletion discussion. This was nominated a week or so ago while I was away, so any opinions are needed immediately. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 11:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
It’s been three weeks since the questionnaires were sent out, and there’s been a decent response, with seven people filling in replies, and not all of them were the regulars who are involved in discussion on this page. This shows that there is still activity on Cheshire pages, and there’s plenty of scope to move forwards. The responses were encouraging, with members generally satisfied about the amount of help and interaction they are getting from other members, so keep it up.
Looking at the comments, it appears that project members are taking the approach of improving articles from the ground up, and this work is shown in that the project has more start class articles than stubs. This approach raises the overall quality of the project, but sometimes leads to an insular approach. For example, this link shows how 10 members of WP:GM often collaborate on articles together, or at least drop by and give a bit of a copy edit when someone is at work on a project (out of 2102 articles edited by at least 2 people, 275 have been edited by 4 or more different users – these of course won’t all be WP:GM articles, or major contributions, but it gives an idea of how often efforts over lap). Using the same tool to find out how many people from WP:CHES edit the same articles shows that out of 784, 74 have been edited by 4 or more users. While it can’t be disputed that the project has its successes – 20 GAs, dozens of 53 DYKs and a low proportion of stubs – what’s lacking is the big successes that encourage more people to participate and gain interest.
Small steps should improve the project, such as leaving notices on this talk page and asking for help could get people more involved. Discussion here has already led to Crewe being improved. Also, asking pretty much anyone you see editing Cheshire articles might boost our numbers. For example, there is a new editer – User:Northwicher – who wants to improve the Northwich article, but because of inexperience with wikipedia’s policies of verifiability and the importance of using reliable sources they are struggling. In this situation, it’s helpful to have the experienced members of WP:CHES show them the right direction.
A problem is a lack of direction: the project’s aims are nebulous and unattainable in the short-term. Therefore, it’s important that these are redrawn. Esspresso Addict has expressed the opinion before that a collaboration of the month would be unlikely to work because of everyone’s differing areas of interest, but there is one subject we are all interested in: Cheshire. It is currently a B-class article, and barely deserves that much. It’s also the most important subject for our project so deserves to be in a better state. I believe a collaboration on this article to push it to GA could be successful. It wouldn’t be a short effort, or an easy one considering the scope of the article, but if we leave a note on each project member’s talk page, I think we can get enough people involved to do it. Before this is done however, if there is enough interest, there would have to be discussion about how to improve the article. If we don’t know what we’re doing, people will lose interest and it will probably grind to a halt.
In conclusion, no one should stop what they’re doing. WP:CHES works, but could still do better. Do people want to draw up some new project aims and perhaps think about how to set about improving Cheshire, or perhaps any other key article? Nev1 (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I've updated the portal with Beeston Castle, Norton Priory, Lyme Park, Deva Victrix, Listed buildings in Runcorn & Lindow Man plus a set of DYKs. We now have 13 selected articles, 9 selected biographies, 8 selected pictures, 14 sets of four DYKs & 6 quotations. Comments are needed on all the remaining suggestions for selected articles and pictures at Portal:Cheshire/Suggest. New suggestions, especially for biographies, pictures, news & quotations, are also extremely welcome. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Apologies for keeping on posting on here, but I've been wondering whether it would be a good idea to exchange the news box on the portal for an "In this month" box. I'm thinking of something like the box in the Buddhism Portal, essentially a month version of the "On this day" feature of the main page. An "In this month" box would be a fair amount of work to set up and might then need ongoing manual updating monthly (I don't know whether auto-update by calendar date can be made to work with the randomised elements), but would seem an interesting addition to the portal.
The news hasn't been updated since May last year; no-one has suggested any news for inclusion since 2007 and I can't find any relevant feeds. There would be no reason why it couldn't be reinstated in addition, if a Cheshire newsfeed became available or if anyone had the time to keep it updated. Thoughts, anyone? Espresso Addict (talk) 16:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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Two of the planned three lists of scheduled monuments in Cheshire are now in the main space here and here. The last (post-1539) list will appear in due course. There does not appear to be a collated list elsewhere and I have had to search various sources. I therefore suspect that not all the monuments are included. If anyone comes across omissions in these periods, please leave details here or on my talk page. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
The January/February newsletter seems to have sparked an increase in activity, so I'd like to suggest we make it a bimonthly fixture -- which means the second edition probably needs some thought now! I'd suggest we use it to initiate a project-wide discussion about the project aims, per discussion above started by Nev1. I'm happy to update the boilerplate sections of the newsletter, and contribute a paragraph on the portal. Nev1, could you write a section summarising the questionnaire responses? DDStretch, could you contribute an update on the work needed due to the council reorganisation? Peter I. Vardy, would you be interested in contributing something about how to write a successful Good Article? Espresso Addict (talk) 17:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a note on WT:GEO about pages for small villages that redirct to the counties they are in; if they're notable they should have their own article, if not they should redirect to the borough or civil parish they're in. The two in Cheshire are Rhuddall Heath and Windyharbour. Are these notable enough to merit their own articles, or should we just tweak the redirects? Nev1 (talk) 14:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
There are a couple of CPs still outstanding in Macclesfield District and then we have a slew of them in Chester District, and I had to sort out their existence by communicating with the council, but I intend to work my w3ay through them in short order soon. Some of them don't have available population information. DDStretch (talk) 15:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
About websites disappearing: I think it might be an idea to collate a list of useful sites and try to save them somewhere. There is a resource concerning the tithe maps that I think may be useful (it is useful in one specific matter that I am looking into: the position of the old Haslington Hall from the shape and position of the old mere, which complements information I've got from other reliable sources which were vague about the exact location though specific about the mere having developed from a moat, as well as eye-witness accounts from old relatives about the last days of the mere.) DDStretch (talk) 16:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
With the retirement of Ddstretch and Espresso Addict from wikipedia, the project has been denied two of its most active and prominent members. It will be more difficult to ensure the quality of Cheshire-related articles without them, but I've set up a new watchlist covering all of the project's articles here. This will help us monitor recent changes and identify vandalism, so please do use the watchlist. It works by looking at the recent changes of all the articles listed on the page; it has to be updated manually, something I will try to stay on top of. Cheers, Nev1 (talk) 20:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
A user is repeatedly adding incorrect information to Winterley stating that it is partly in Congleton Borough. It is not. If one looks at the Ordnance Survey map (1:25000 series), it is clearly entirely within Haslington civil parish, and so completely within Crewe and Nantwich. It is Wheelock Heath that may be split between Congleton district and Crewe and Nantwich. The editor is merely reverting with no clear explanation except taht he thinks he is correct when the most reliable source shows that he is not. Can someone take appropriate action. I have started templating him, but this may not be sufficient. This can be checked for those without OS maps by using the election maps website and choosing the Crewe and Nantwich parliamentary constituency, moving to the right area, and then implementing the parish and district boundary layers. (I have not returned, by the way, this is just a result of tidying up various things.) DDStretch (talk) 00:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have any free use pictures of Macclesfield Castle that can be used in the above article? It's doubtful, but it's worth a try as I recently started the article and have nominated it for DYK; a picture of the porch before it was demolished in 1932 would be great to go with the hook if anyone has one. Cheers, Nev1 (talk) 19:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi team, I'm currently working on a list of castles in Cheshire in my sandbox. It should be ready to be moved into the mainspace around mid-April, and when I do I'll propose it for DYK immediately. Cheshire has quite a few castles, although not many survive. With the DYK hook, I'm thinking of using an image, but can't decide which one. Below are the eight best from the articles on Cheshire's castles and I was wondering if the project could help decide which one was most striking/looked best. (They're displayed at 100px because that's how they'll appear on the main page). Nev1 (talk) 16:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
As I'm sure project members who live in Cheshire are aware, on 1 April 2009 the new unitary authorities of Cheshire East and Cheshire West and Chester were created, replacing the boroughs of Macclesfield, Congleton and Crewe and Nantwich; and Ellesmere Port and Neston, Vale Royal and Chester District respectively. As such, the settlement articles need to be updated to reflect their new local authorities. I'm not sure to what extent this has already been done as I have been inactive for the past week, but I have noticed that some people have made changes. Help is needed updating the articles and double checking they're right; if you can't do much, checking the articles you usually edit would still help. Thanks, Nev1 (talk) 01:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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I've moved the above article into article space from one of my user subpages, and not only has it been nominated to feature in the Did You Know section on the main page, but it's also a Featured List candidate. Hopefully it can follow in the successful footsteps of list of listed buildings in Runcorn. Nev1 (talk) 16:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Cheshire West and Chester seems to hold borough status, but, since 1 April 2009, has Chester proper held city status? If so, I imagine its defined as a Charter Trustee or Civil Parish, but if not, then, perhaps Chester does not hold this honorific title on Wikipedia???? --Jza84 | Talk 12:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
In the absence of specific county projects for these two articles, I thought I'd let NW England know that there's been something of an improvement drive for the City of Carlisle to bring it more inline with the GA City of Salford. City of Lancaster has also had a minor facelist. Any info that can help with further improvements for the city districts would be much appreciated. (NB: the specific county towns of Carlisle, Cumbria and Lancaster, Lancashire are covered seperately like Salford, Greater Manchester). Thanks, --Jza84 | Talk 00:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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Alerting all WikiProject Cheshire/Archive 7 members that England is undergoing a review for WP:GA status. Things you can help with are listed here. Please help if you can... England expects that every man will do his duty.... :) --Jza84 | Talk 16:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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I've completed a long-overdue update of the Cheshire portal and made some suggestions for new selected articles, biographies & pictures. Comments & further suggestions would be very welcome, at Portal:Cheshire/Suggest. We're also in need of suggestions for a couple of the In this month slots (particularly September & November). Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 16:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
I have proposed the merger of the subdistrict Wharton, Cheshire back into Winsford, as there appears to be little or no distinct content. Please discuss at Talk:Winsford#Proposed_merge_of_Wharton.2C_Cheshire. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Tomorrow's TFA is a Cheshire article on John Douglas (architect) - I thought participants might like to know. We cannot emulate WikiProject Greater Manchester in their achievements, but it's something!--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to start a category for water bodies in Cheshire, including lakes, meres, reservoirs, flashes, notable ponds etc. Reservoirs are currently under "Geography of Cheshire". Any thoughts on what it should be called? Espresso Addict (talk) 16:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
As suggested by Nev1 so long ago he's probably forgotten, I have improved this, broadly following the model of previous featured lists on the topic, with a few alterations (improvements?) of my own to the formatting. If the list is ever to reach FL status, however, then preferably all & at least 2/3 of the SSSIs need articles.
Currently the stats are a bit dire: I'd say only 7 of 63 sites had adequate coverage, with a further 6 stubs/near-stubs, and 50 lacking articles altogether, though some are mentioned in other articles. If anyone can help out creating & improving articles, it would be a great help! See the list talk page for details. If those of you used to creating FLs could look over the list itself & point out where I've blundered, that would also be great. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Adrian Boult, one of the biographies featured on the portal, is currently a Featured Article Candidate: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Adrian Boult/archive1. If you have any expertise in the area do go & help out! Espresso Addict (talk) 15:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
In the course of messing with the portal of late, I've made some more sketch maps of Cheshire, which might perhaps be useful to others...
I also created a derivative of Jza84's map, with the background & inset showing the position in the UK removed:
Espresso Addict (talk) 18:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to spam the project talk page, yet again, but I noticed recently that very many of the articles under Category:People from Cheshire & its numerous subcategories are not tagged for the project. I was wondering about trying to commission a bot eg User:Xenobot Mk V to autotag them, and possibly do some autoassessing too. We probably want to exclude the category Category:People from Cheshire (before 1974). Any thoughts? Has anyone noticed any other categories that need project tagging en masse? Espresso Addict (talk) 00:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
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I proposed adding a section to highlight lists on the portal a few days back (see here for the details) but haven't had any feedback yet -- if no-one objects to the idea, I'll start suggesting potential content at the suggestions page shortly. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I think there should be an article about Cheshire Railings, the white-painted metal railings with uprights curved in at the top, generally found at the corners of fields, which are a feature of the landscape here. There is a picture at File:Caldecott - Cheshire Railings.jpg. On the better-maintained ones, often every third upright is painted black. I believe they were introduced in the 1920s, with the rise of motor traffic, to replace hedges at road junctions in order to improve visibility; but I can't find any source about them. Any ideas? JohnCD (talk) 15:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Members of the Project may be interested to learn that Norton Priory has been nominated as a FAC here.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)