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I see others have already noticed the articles lack of neutrality... or the errors in statement. I am far from an expert on the subject. However, I am personally aware that "Goddess" can be and used in monotheism, instead of exclusively as goddess of the polytheistic belief. Thus I find the very first statement the article makes to be... well simply wrong.
The convergence is that both Judaism and Christianity view God as an omnigender entity. It is both male and female, and neither at the same time.
However, especially with Christianity, it is equally as valid to see God, instead as the Goddess. Using the book I linked as an example, the theory is the following.
We see 'God' or 'Goddess', or a Prana/Force/Holy Spirit as separate because we are riding our bodies through our life. Everything around us is essentially transient and insubstantiel. However, we 'perceive' this realm as 'real'. That reason in reverse is why we see the Goddess as three separate entities.
Anyhow, I will end at that because this isn't the time or place. Yet, I felt a want to offer more than a single line statement. Thank you for sharing your time, and Force. Witkh13 (talk) 09:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
The section on the 'sacred feminine' is both vague and disconnected. The only information provided is when and who popularized the term, without any definition or context. (A hint of definition exists in the beginning of the article, far away from its respective section.) As far as I can gather, it's an Americanized term that refers to a central importance of a feminine figure in worship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.117.154 (talk) 16:37, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Article's intro is so rife with jargon and POV I cannot read the rest now, but I have to comment on second and third paragraphs. ("As the concept of monotheism and polytheism can be relativistic, so too can related concepts be culturally misunderstood. The concept of gender as applied to a god and goddess, may connote deeper tendencies of patriarchy and matriarchy, which may have equivalence to the rift between monotheism and polytheism. The Goddess concept is advocated by modern matriarchs and pantheists as a female version of, or analogue to God, (i.e. the Abrahamic god) who in feminist and other circles is perceived as being rooted in patriarchal concept of dominance— much to the exclusion of feminine concepts. Use of parallel language such as "patriarchy" and "matriarchy" to indicate gender tendencies can add to the misunderstanding of the social organizational preferences of women and men, as evidenced in archaeological and cultural anthropological findings.)What the heck does this mean? Run on sentence plus jargon = confusion, but I think the writer's point and POV is that insinuating gender distinction into religion is, well, dumb. Now, I happen to disagree, in that I think it may not even be possible for human beings to de-genderize concepts of deity - so why not get it out into the open? And in discussing gender and religion, why not seek NPOV in the finest Wikipedia tradition? People believe in Goddesses; that's a fact, and shouldn't that fact and its various expressions in human culture and history be the subject of this essay? SC 04:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
((attention)) Shan, I've removed your signature--no offense, I hope. We have long since stopped signing Wikipedia articles. A few of us did in the first few months, but it's long become clear that, in a collaborative environment, signing an article tends to make people less likely to contribute to an article. --LMS
Lawrence that's fine. I thought I saw some comment in intro text that we could sign or not optionally. If it is true memory and not mistake from learning curve, and I come across it again I'll let you know so it can be deleted as out of date. Shan Jayran
Oy, yes, we need to delete that. --LMS
I have to ask here one particular cited source may be invalid. It comes from the The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets By Barabara Walker. The problem is she has much critizism in the area of historical accuracy. > [1][2][3] Some of Barbara's sources are outdated, not cited(at all), or says something completely diffrent than what she says. Could someone either fix this (in the Arabia sec) or confirm it's authenticity with an outside source? Xuchilbara 00:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand this passage, I think it needs to be cleared up, or perhaps deleted.
"While most societies have goddesses, if not now not long ago, it is Western societies that have most obviously taken Goddess devotion and forged with it both a resting place and a battle ground of gender. Women and men alike look to Goddess to heal the lack of power they feel and create a new way of being spiritual. This is a spirituality not of either/or, but of both/and, so that body becomes sacred in both menstrual and seminal ways, and heaven is crafted here in an inevitably changing, unstable earth, rather than glimpsed far away somewhere else as an absolute. (cf. creation spirituality) "
kh7 06:54 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
The first half of the article discusses some kind of neo 'Goddessing' concept, seemingly labelling it as a distinct belief set or philosophy but neglecting to define it or demarcate it with historical discussion of goddess(es). IMHO the whole top of this page should be completely rewritten, the lower part should be mostly moved to Pagan and simply paragraphed with a link. --prat
This article is quite POV and I've spent awhile trying to balance it out somewhat with alternative views. —Ashley Y 13:46, Nov 15, 2003 (UTC)
This article is rife with problems. It not only promotes misconceptions and ideological fallacies about Hinduism, but it completely misreads worldwide Goddess culture by seeing it as some new-fangled Euro-American cult without considering the major influence of long-standing traditions in India and elsewhere. The author(s) were limited by not knowing any sort of theological nomenclature outside of 'monotheism' and 'polytheism' and thus gave horribly inaccurate descriptions of Hindu goddess worship. Also, proper terminology and better knowledge of the history of Hindu goddess worship, which is really the only major goddess religion of many years, would inform the seemingly 'new' ones coming up in the new-age goddess worship culture so popular in the states. I don't know whether I will or won't dedicate time to this page, but misconceptions I will try to work on, as I have begun a bit today. --LordSuryaofShropshire 14:35, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)
I like the Hindu and Devi references... but not because "most Wiccan and 'neo-pagan' rituals are often derived" from them; FYI that statement is probably as accurate (and offensive) as saying most Moslem and Christian rituals are probably derived from Judaic devotional practices. The statement causes more need for clarification than clarity. SC 04:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm thinking this should be reorganised something along these lines:
...and where other cultures can be added in (Shinto for instance). —Ashley Y 09:49, 2004 Jun 21 (UTC)
OK, I've reorganised it, but it still needs work. I think "Neopaganism" and "the Goddess movement" sections need to be merged. —Ashley Y 10:14, 2004 Jul 9 (UTC)
I'm thinking maybe we have two articles here, one about goddesses (including any monotheistic Goddess) in all cultures, and one about the Goddess movement in the West. Perhaps this article should be split? —Ashley Y 06:04, 2004 Oct 16 (UTC)
OK, I've done this. Sections still might need to be moved around, but I'm hoping this will make overall editing and so on a bit more tractable. —Ashley Y 04:10, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
Pre-Islamic Arabia, and indeed in parts of Persia, there was dozens, if not hundreds of Goddesses. This Sub-Sectin does not deal with these Goddesses, but with 3 mentioned in the 'Satanic Veses', and about the novel by Salman Rushdie with the same name. The Section was, thus, poorly names, and I renamed it. --195.7.55.146 12:38, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't think people currently associate the term godess with female deity. All males I know think godess refers to Britney, Beyonce, Basinger, Bundhen or Kidman (not mention Elle the Body). No one cares a damn about feminist whinings against no priesthood for chicks. -Anonymous
Anonymous, please stop holding back and tell us what you really think. SC 04:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Kari Byron is a godess, the fact that you reverted my edit, is offensive towards my religion! - Rift14
How can you go through all this information about "Goddess" and neglect to mention Gaia? ...and Daphne...the priestess of Gaia? A phenomenal book called THE GREAT GODDESS by Jean Markale would lend greatly to the information found in your discussion about "Goddess". The introduction especially offers a great amount of history and information about the development of goddess culture and belief and how it was supplanted by a patriarchal oriented society.....NRS
The Wicca and Neopaganism section contains the prominent and rather provocative statement that
while other Neopagan religions supposedly are much more accurate. While Wicca has a specific understanding of the Goddess that is somewhat different from other traditions (historical or modern), I think it's a little unjust to label us as "historically inaccurate" for this. Early authors on Wicca theorised that the religion was the survival of a pan-European witch-cult concerned with the worship of a Goddess and God - these theories have long been discredited though, and I suspect that only a minority of Wiccans still believe in a wide-scale organised witch-cult during the witch-trials. Interestingly, the historical widespread association of goddess-figures with witchcraft in Europe is now fairly convincingly confirmed by such notable historians as Carlo Ginzburg and Eva Pocs.
There has been some influence on Wicca from authors like Robert Graves and James Frazer, which could be called historically inaccurate, but as far as I can make out, the only clearly identifiable influence from these sources has been in books by Wiccan or Wiccan-inspired authors - the teachings and rituals in the Book of Shadows and other traditional sources are somewhat different. Graves' concept of the Triple Goddess, for instance, is not found in traditional Wiccan sources, which tend to treat the Goddess as a single being. The concept does, however appear in the works of certain Wiccan authors, and has been repeated ad nauseam by hundreds of Wiccanesque and neopagan books.
Saying this, I have no problem with the Maiden/Mother/Crone aspects of the Goddess — they are true aspects of her — however I don't claim that these aspects grouped in this way were a widespread phenomenon throughout Europe.
Trying to understand how the Wiccan religion was formulated and has continued to develop, I would say it has been led by what worked rather than an attempt to match some historical standard. I don't think most Wiccans consider Wicca to be a 'revival' religion - we view our Goddess a particular way because that's the way she speaks to us, not because that's what some fellow wrote down a couple of hundred years ago.
Wicca's early history is rather confused, I admit. However the major confusion nowadays, as I see it, is from a new generation of "Eclectic" Wiccans, who often step onto their spiritual path armed with a strong sense of "whatever works for me is just fine". This is great, but by calling this Wicca they're eroding the religion's popular image to the point where it can encompass any concepts or none. A whole industry of books has appeared to serve this market, often bearing almost no resemblance to Wicca and certainly often lacking in historical accuracy. I'm rather unhappy at seeing Wicca become a term of amusement because of the shortcomings of some non-traditional Wiccans. Before I go too far in offending people, I should say that I know and work with several witches of non-Wiccan persuasion who are very competent. They don't call themselves Wiccans (serious witches in NZ realise the difference), but I'm sure there are very competent "Eclectic Wiccans" too. Initiatory Wiccans don't claim to have the monopoly on being serious and competent. But what these other witches and neopagans do is different to traditional Wicca (more so than many of them realise), and if they are misrepresenting my religion, it's a real pain.
Sorry, that became a rant. But my reasoning stands: most Wiccans (traditional at least) don't claim that their religion is historically-based (perhaps historically-inspired in some respects though), therefore claims of historical inaccuracy are unjustified. Fuzzypeg 06:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've finally got around to rewriting the section. I'm not sure I've included all the necessary references yet; I'll go back and check soon. (running short on time right now) I've yanked some stuff that I couldn't really figure out how to include: I don't recognise it as any common form of Wicca. If anyone wants to claim it, make sense of it and put it in its appropriate place under Neopagan religions (not under Wicca, I believe), feel free.
The following text includes several epithets that don't to my knowledge have common Wiccan use; also the list of different cultural goddesses seems to serve no particular purpose: these are no more prominent deities for Wiccan worship than any other:
I'm quite happy to leave both of these sections of text out of the article. Neither seem particularly representative of Wicca or any other prominent Neopagan religion that I know of. Fuzzypeg☻ 07:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
These two sentences are unclear or confused IMHO: "She is described as a kind of tribal Goddess of the witch community,[2] who seems largely to be modelled on Aradia, the messianic daughter of Diana described in Charles Leland's Aradia. She was held to be neither omnipotent nor universal, and it was recognised that there was a greater "Prime Mover", although the witches did not concern themselves much with this being." Granting Gardener's importance to Wiccan thought, "a tribal Goddess of the witch community" is just a description of his and I don't think it reflects a common view in contemporary Wicca, as the heading would suggest. If Gardener's description is to be in there, it should be stated as such: "According to Gerald Gardener..." The second part of the first sentence asserts that the Wiccan Goddess is "largely modeled" after Aradia. That seems like an overstrong claim, and no source is given. Leeland's Aradia is a messianic figgure, but is it fair to say that about the Wiccan concept of Goddess in general? The second sentence seems to refer to Aradia, rather than the Goddess. Again, if it stays it should begin something like "Aradia was held to be...." Furthermore, the second uses the past tense and refers to "the witches," as if it were a direct quote from Gardener or some other 50s text. I think the two sentences should be deleted, and if not should be revised. Thoughts? D. Winchell 01:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I have removed 'and "the Lady"'. As a practicing Wiccan of 20 years, I have never heard the Goddess refered to as 'the Lady'-SE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.195 (talk) 15:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
It is not immediatey obvious to me that this section is encyclopedic. Jkelly 23:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Section 4.4 Religious Feminism was marked as a "stub" that needed more material in it. So I wrote a couple of paragraphs. I also added references for this material to the References section. Hope it's okay.Judith Laura 21:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: the inclusion of the early Islamic historians. If a further citation is needed and their pages on Wikipedia are not adequate then I suggest you may need to remove the unsubstantiated claim that their writings were forgeries.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.200.247 (talk • contribs • WHOIS)
It is the claim that their writings are forgeries which is in fact unsubtantiated. The opinion of an Egyptian politician of the 19th century should not be considered definitive. Both of the Islamic historians are highly regarded. Geryon2006 23:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
What is the point of mentioning Rushdie's work on the section about Islam? The quality of this section's content is quite bad and, unlike Judaism and Christianity, is irrelevant to the subject. --24.211.184.243 11:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
This is really annoying, I came ot this page and it looks like some femenist or Lilith lover has edited this page with a demon, I think it should be taken off, especially since the Lilith as a Goddess is a modern creation.. But instead I see someone lumped her in the Mesopotamian section. Obviously someone here has not done their research. And put two pictures of her? Why 2 pictures? Why not pictures of OTHER Goddesses? Why is the 2nd pic in the HINDUISM section? (Wouldn't you think Kali or Uma (goddess) would be a more appropiate Goddess for that section? Seeing as Lilith has ntohign to do with India or Hinduism.) And the first pic is a 19th centuary painting of Lilith, why can't we have a pic of ancient Ishtar or a REAL Mesopotamian Goddess picture?(all the other Goddess pictures are.) Besdies, the 2nd picture is of that of the Burney relief which is arguably Lilith, but has NEVER been proven to be her, in fact it's less likely to be Lilith than how it is optimistically potrayed as such.
Someone needs to do some clean up and research, because Lilith is no Goddess in ancient sense, which someone has lumped her in with Ancient KNOWN Mesopotamian Goddesses. WTF? True she is Mesopotamian , but she's a female night demon! Sounds like someone is trying to re-write history.
In fact maybe there should be a section talking about Lilith modern day reinvention as a Goddess.(In a Neopagan sense. She's usally listed as a Hebrew Goddess by Modern sense.) becasue I assure you putting her in there with Ishtar(Who's comparable to Inanna, in which Lilith was mentioned with in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and that's Mesopotamian !
Lilith has been identified with ki-sikil-lil-la-ke4, a female demon in the Sumerian prologue to the Gilgamesh epic.
Kramer translates:
- a dragon had built its nest at the foot of the tree
- the Zu-bird was raising its young in the crown,
- and the demon Lilith had built her house in the middle.
- [...]
- Then the Zu-bird flew into the mountains with its young,
- while Lilith, petrified with fear, tore down her house and fled into the wilderness
Notice the describtion demon Lilith.) is a insult to the Mesopotamian religion. They never worshipped her as a goddess at all, she was feared and/or avoided. I'd also like to see some more citations in this article.
And on Lilith's wiki you can see that she's a demon, first sentence is:
Lilith is a female Mesopotamian night demon believed to harm male children.
(I think we had a debate on in her article awhile back too. You can see the evidence that she's a demon, especially in the discussion page.)
I normally wouldn't make a big deal of it, but the Lilith thing in this article is not matching up historically, or to the ancient worshippers. Xuchilbara 20:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
There aren't any of Lilith, I know that much. Whereas we have evidence of ancient worship(temples etc) and accounts for the others. Lilith doesn't have any. Because she isn't a Goddess.Xuchilbara 22:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
IDk if this'll help. The debate is argued fairly well here: http://www.lilitu.com/lilith/lil_alt-myth.html
And this is a good source on Lilith herself : http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/
Xuchilbara 23:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll defenatley accept that. I'll won't deny her modern reinvention as one. Thanks.
The thing that bothered me was that you go to Lilith's page and it's saying something a little on the contrary to this article's claims. We had issue's with the goddess thing before on her aricle and it came under many discussions. finally, some ppl cleaned it up enough, where we don't see this anymore, which is good, and you can see her actual history. (Although I wish more was added like about her daughter of the same name.) Th disscusion page of Lilith's is real intresting, I would suggest reading it.
Another thing was the Burney relief picture with the inscription Lilith. The fact is that some ppl opitimisticaly assumed this to be her, with much enthuasim.(As many WANT Lilith to be a Goddess and it somehow hold up in history, unfortunaley this is not the case. This is where alot of debate comes in, well some of it.. Some of the Neo pagans are trying in words of many others "re-write history" about her. I've notice the shakey history, Neo pagan thing to extend far beyond Lilith. Such as with many Wiccan/Neo Pagan authors out there. )But more evidence shows it to be Ereshkigal or her sister Ishtar rather than Lilith. So I didn't think the claim right off about Lilith to be accurate. Evidence is showing the conrary about the relief, and most scholarly opinion is that it's one of the two Goddesses I named. So I didn't think it appropiate, and I had to call it like I see it.
I think it was the fact that this article inaccurately potrayed Lilith to be a Mesopotamian deity, without citation, lack of historical evidence, and is basing this claim on many modern Feminist and Neo Pagan views. It started out with Lilith becoming a feminist icon, for her refusal of Adam, claiming they are equal, it escalated to a belief that Lilith was a Goddess, demonized by the wicked Jewish patriarchal socity or a original Matriarcal society turned Patriachal and their consequent distest of females and anything feminine. Though there are cases of this, for example the Goddess Astarte to the demon Astaroth.(One reason being that she was worshipped in the same temples of God, and some of the religious leader distain of this.)
this isn't found with Lilith however, I remember someone claiming on the owl page that Lilith was a Iraq Goddess, this I've never heard before, not just in modern view, but also in historical view.(And Lilith's page certinaly doesn't support this.) Most Neo Pagan's in books I read etc, take thier sources on her as a "Hebrew Goddess", taken from the Adam & Lilith Jewish myth as mentioned above. the biggest ironic thing here is that Eve's ( Ninti's story.) myth and herself actually DOES have Goddess orgins rooted in the story of Adapa and Enki. Whereas Lilith never has. However some modern opinion sees Lilith and Hecate as to have paralels or the same, the more of fact is that Lilith is thought of as the Greek equalivent of Lamia(Greek for witch) rather than Hecate. Lamias' being Hecate's children in some stories.
One other thing that i fnd wrong a little with this article(off subject of Lilith real quick) is how it ignores Mesoamerican & African Goddesses and their roles in religions, I do remember that the Goddess plays a huge role in Voodun. A good example is the African Goddesses Oshun & Yemaja.
Xuchilbara 00:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd have to be more skilled on the subject, so I can't say exactly either. Voodoo varies from area and influence I think. Xuchilbara 21:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh dear Goddesses, does this article need work. I made a start. The only way I could avoid deleting even more of the opening was to place *citation needed* tags. I can source some of that, but don't have time tonight. I only glanced at other sections, but saw a lot of problems. If we don't overhaul this ourselves, and pretty soon, I think we'll need to place a general cleanup flag on it. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 05:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I had a few questions about the Christianity section, which I wanted to ask because they seem wrong to me, but I no expert. One (I don't know how to quote): The blanket statement that 'Christianity' views God as genderless in general strikes me as wrong... while there are sects that do, there are those that don't as well, so the blanket statement is not appropriate. Also, why are members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints only 'professedly Christian?'While unfamiliar with their beliefs, they have 'Jesus Christ' in their name, and such a statement seems to be neglecting NPOV. Or, if 'Professedly' is supposed to be a reference to the way in which they believe in the Heavenly Mother, that sentence should be restructured so as to avoid confusion.
First of all, what the hell is a "pentabarf"?
Second, as with a few other entries on Sikhism I've seen on wikipedia, the one here looks like it was written by a devotee and sounds preachy, it stands out from the rest of the article and doesn't sound objective.Rglong 06:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Just to add what was mentioned above: it seems like a lot of the sentences are too long and disorganized. There were way too many commas being used and there was no direct point coming across in the article. The information is too convoluted and I think this article needs to have major improvements with regard to spelling and grammar, but most importantly sentence structure. The information needs to be presented in a more clear and concise manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agallin2 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
From the article:
"Some people believe that the example of Jesus and the tradition of centuries has Christians refer to and address God as "Father", not "Mother". However, this is not the real meaning of the words Jesus used to describe the deity. The original words have a meaning of both mother and father."
There's no source for this that's cited, and I think it's a pretty big thing to say without a source. If there's a valid source, I think that information would be very interesting. Without one, though, it seems not so believable.JamisonK 09:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
While I won't try to deny that a Prime Goddess is a widespread belief, this article seems to push its argument (which it shouldn't actually have) in a few odd places - for example, the Sikhism or some of the Abrahamic sections, where the belief that the prime god is not defined by physical gender like humans allows it to be interpreted as a Goddess - when gender neutral would actually place it farther from Goddess than even God (male) would be.
It also has a woeful lack of sources in places where they are badly needed - I'm sure you all know the opening, but other sections seem more like someone trying to post their own reasoning, and less like synthesis from available sources.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 23:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
In the section under "Judaism", there are some statements made about the grammatical gender of Hebrew terms for God that are not referenced in the original laguage (e.g., merely to say that YHWH is feminine is insufficient--what verb-derived form is it specifically?) and which have no citations. I don't have a problem with the statements as long as they are properly cited and referenced. I would also point out that the translation of "El Shaddai" as "breasted" or "many-breasted god" is not uncontroversial. From what I understand, shaddai could also be construed as "god of the mountains", since the root from which shaddai comes is ambiguous. I'm not an expert on this, and I don't mind the contentions--I just think it should be made clear that there are different perspectives on this in order to avoid POV problems, and that grammatical claims should be specific and properly referenced. Turmarion (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I highly doubt (from my limited knowledge, albeit) that YHWH was feminine for the simple reason that in earlier times he was known to have a female consort, Asherah. 24.36.78.185 (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Pop singer Madonna often deals with the theme of the Goddess in her work, for example the song "Oh Father" and "Papa Don't Preach", and on the American Life album she sings a song called "Mother and Father" which contains the lines: "My father had to go to work/ I used to think he was a jerk." And in an episode of Family Guy, a show fittingly about the importance of fathers, the father, Peter Griffin, discusses Madonna with his own father, saying, "With Madonna, it's all just about getting back at daddy." So, I think this article would be much improved to include a section about the importance of Madonna's relationship with her father Silvio Ciccone, and perhaps her relationship with brother Christopher Ciccone who has commented on the importance the Goddess plays in Madonna's work. Thank you. -- Copy Editor (talk) 07:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted some miscellaneous vandalism that had accumulated in this article over the last few weeks. If you're reading this, please take a moment to look over the article and make sure I didn't miss anything! Also, please keep an eye on this article, since vandalism is obviously slipping through the cracks. - AdelaMae (t - c - wpn) 16:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The Section on Hinduism is incomplete, it seems to ignore that not all branches of Hindusim believe that all the gods and goddesses come from one being the Brahman, for example the Dvaita seems to view god (in that case Vishnu), as being seperate, but supreme to all other gods and goddesses (with Lakshmi) as well as the souls of living beings, Samkhya for example doesn't even believe in Brahman or Ishvara. The section in this article seems to focus only some of the branches of the Vedanta tradition.
The Section on Hinduism is incomplete, it seems to ignore that not all branches of Hindusim believe that all the gods and goddesses come from one being the Brahman, for example the Dvaita seems to view god (in that case Vishnu), as being seperate, but supreme to all other gods and goddesses (with Lakshmi) as well as the souls of living beings, Samkhya for example doesn't even believe in Brahman or Ishvara. The section in this article seems to focus only some of the branches of the Vedanta tradition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.207.208.6 (talk) 10:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Where has it gone?
-- 88.75.203.240 (talk) 07:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to know what are the jewish sources for the lilith being the 'ahsera' and 'Ishtar'. I also looked for the 'original' story of lilith as adams supposed wife but i didnt find it anywhere in the talmud and the midrash. I think that it'll be a good idea to check this paragraph and see if these arent myths about jewish folklore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.86.64.85 (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Lilith was never an ancient Jewish or Hebrew goddess. She was a demon whom people feared. The Alphabet of Ben Sira is where her as Adam's first wife comes from which is from the medieval period. For the record, Mahalath is not a goddess either. The Judaism sections needs serious clean up and not any more feminist revision. As much as people want Lilith to be an ancient deity, she is not. Wikipedia should reflect academic standards such as The Hebrew Goddess by R.Patai, which covers actual goddess mentioned in the bible and not some Neopagan revisionist history.
Xuchilbara (talk) 01:21, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Agree with the 2 posters here, regarding Lillith. She was looked down as demonic, in Jewish mythology & folklore. Would make far better sense to have Rachel in the Judaism subcategory, just as Mary, mother of Jesus is in the Christian subcategory.--Splashen (talk) 00:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
...Like Shinto for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.219.104 (talk) 02:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section on the religion of Collyridianism, a Christian sect that worshipped the Virgin Mary? Information found here: [6] --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 03:35, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
This paragraph is just plain odd and needs to be edited...
...The primacy of a monotheistic or near-monotheistic "Great Goddess" is advocated by some modern matriarchists as a female version of, preceding, or analogue to, the Abrahamic God associated with the historical rise of monotheism in the Mediterranean Axis Age.
The existence of a monotheistic Goddess religion is hardly the imaginary creation of modern matriarchists (whatever those are.) The archaeology and historical evidence is quite abundant of a monotheistic Goddess religion practiced in the fertile crescent (Mesopotamia to Anatolia) prior to Babylon and certainly prior to the Abrahamic God. The religion lasted in some areas into historic time (in other words, there is written evidence) and last temple was shut down in Ephesus in 380 A.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.254.254 (talk) 00:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
No, goddess worship is pantheistic, not monotheistic. The reason why is because, when male creates, he creates outside of himself, whereas when female creates, she creates inside of herself. Therefore, when a person addresses the Deity as 'God,' he/she is expressing a belief that the Deity Created Outside of Himself, but, when a person calls the Deity 'Goddess,' he/she is expressing a belief that the Deity Created insideof herself. Eg: Earth worship is always worshipping the Deity as a goddess.--Splashen (talk) 19:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
There appears to be a contradiction between the lines:
Judaism is a Patriarchal religion, with emphasis being placed on God as having creating Adam is his own image. Eve is a secondary addition to creation, having been created from Adam's rib. God is referred to as "He" and family lines through Abraham are followed in a Patrilinear fashion. The concept of a Goddess seems to be absent from all but the original Creation myth which some scholars say appears have roots in the nearby Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elis.
in the Judaism section.
and
(Judaism never recognized any gender for God)
in the Goddess Movement section
This should not be too difficult or controversial to resolve.
Robertcurrey (talk) 11:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
This needs a WP:ENGVAR cleanup, with the spellings of "honor" and "honour" both appearing in normal text (as opposed to quotations, for example), and a quick scan of the article didn't help me to find other spellings that are clearly in favo(u)r of using US or using UK spellings. Someone more familiar with the article needs to do a good copyedit, also fixing numerous non-spelling mistakes such as "Hinduism also worships multitude of goddesses". Nyttend (talk) 04:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
It says in the subcategory of Shinto, that Amaterasu is the chief among the Shintogods. Actually, I believe that her parents, Izanagi and Izanamiare the chief Shinto gods & goddesses.--Splashen (talk) 17:08, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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