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@Makeandtoss and @Gjb0zWxOb I saw you dealt with Freedom of Religion in the city. I think we can discuss the issue here. From what I know there is freedom of religion in Jerusalem, Christians and Muslims can go to their holysites, albiet the Jews are partially restricted from going to the temple mount. So I do think we can alter from: Additionally, under the Basic Laws, freedom of religion is protected in Israel and Jerusalem, which includes the right of various religious groups to have access and ability to worship at their holy sites receiving protection by law
to:
Additionally, under the Basic Laws, freedom of religion is protected in Israel and Jerusalem, which includes the right of various religious groups to have access and ability to worship at their holy sites receiving protection by law, although Jews are partially restricted from accessing the Temple MountHomerethegreat (talk) 13:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No we are not quoting Israel's basic laws in a Wikipedia article and we are not taking "From what I know" as an argument. Please find supporting RS, and refrain from adding information to the lede that does not summarize the body. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think this is a good suggestion. I found some RSs that support the additional claim too.[1][2]
In respect to your concerns, @Makeandtoss I agree it does not have to be in the lede and I will put it in another portion of the article. I hope this is a solution that pleases everyone. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The sources don’t support the claim, they literally just state what the law is and nothing about what is in practice. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We can add that some Christian organizations have felt worried about harassments and that Jews are not allowed to pray in the temple mount [5][6][7] But in general it seems there is freedom of religion in Jerusalem. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All five of the sources you provided are Israeli-affiliated. Lede per MOS are summaries of the body, you are trying to add massive amounts of information to an article to which it doesn't even belong; it seems the more appropriate article would be Temple Mount, in which it is already discussed there. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gjb0zWxOb: As stated clearly in my edit summary and here, the problem isn't just in the lede but also the use of primary sources that are clearly deeply associated with the topic. Should we also quote North Korea is democratic because it calls itself as such? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think we can have something in the lead about it, perhaps you have a better idea in mind? Homerethegreat (talk) 14:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A better phrasing perhaps so that it won't be too long. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Jewish Nation-state Bill passed in 2018 states: "the realization of the right to national self-determination in Israel is unique to the Jewish people,"[8] This is difficult to reconcile with a claim of religious freedom. There is also a problem with the fate of those in conquered areas, including residents of East Jerusalem. The last paragraphs of [9] discuss this. "Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it." I don’t know if this is lack of religious freedom, racism, apartheid, or all of the above. Palestinian residents remain stateless and many cannot reside or get passports to leave. There is also the requirement for successful citizenship application to speak Hebrew and take an oath that Israel is a Jewish state. I don’t think this is simple. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Monotheism not the reason for division from Canaanites.[edit]
The page says “who are believed by scholars to have evolved into the Israelites via the development of a distinct Yahweh-centric monotheistic belief system.”
Monotheistic development did not happen until much later (see Smith, The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel) and there are many competing views (see Finklestein and Dever for two of the more commonly-cited views) of how this separation occurred. 2600:100C:B037:E65A:D07:3D09:CF56:D1D3 (talk) 06:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Etymological clarification in initial sentence[edit]
First sentence of etymology section:
“The name "Jerusalem" is variously etymologized to mean "foundation (Semitic yry' 'to found, to lay a cornerstone') of the pagan god Shalem"; the god Shalem was thus the original tutelary deity of the Bronze Age city.”
First sentence should include the definition of the city in its original context—-as the David page has “beloved one” at the top.
“Alternatively, the Amarna letters of Abdi-Heba(1330s BCE), which reference an Úrušalim, may be the earliest mention of the city.”
I think there’s enough consensus that this is referring to Jerusalem to the original Akkadian/Canaano-Akkadian text should be included in the first sentence. IncandescentBliss (talk) 20:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Used part this page’s etymology section at the Solomon page[edit]
Used the etymology section of the Jerusalem page since Solomon and Jerusalem share and etymological root. Let us know if there are any changes. IncandescentBliss (talk) 06:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
an* IncandescentBliss (talk) 06:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 February 2024[edit]
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Jerusalem is the capital of the modern state of Israel. Devbee613 (talk) 23:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]