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@Fram: would "...one of the world's oldest surviving strategy games" work better? TheSandDoctorTalk 14:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went with "oldest known", which matches what's stated in the article. I'm not saying this solves the issues, but it's at least an incremental improvement. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fram, the source makes it clear that race games, such as the Game of Ur, are not wholly strategy games, instead falling into the category of "race games", which combine luck and strategy. By contrast, games such as polis were entirely strategy driven. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article on Ur calls it a strategy game, and our article on strategy games also includes things like Warhammer, which are also partially decided by dice, or Contract bridge, which starts with dealing cards randomly. The entirely strategy driven section (things like chess and checkers) seems to be a very small part of the much larger group of strategy games as usually (and by us) described, and the correctness of a hook shouldn't depend on the definition given in one source but contradicted by others (and e.g. our articles). Fram (talk) 14:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that dance teacher Mary Ann Wells, despite being in the "I AM" movement, did not enforce rigid technical standards on her students?
@Xoak, SL93, and AirshipJungleman29: I have read the I AM article, and the bolded article, but I don't see this juxtaposition as being meaningful. "Despite her association with the I AM Temple, which held to strict vegetarian practices, Wells focused on cultivating her students' passion for dance rather than enforcing rigid technical standards." What has a religion or vegetarianism to do with rigid technical dance standards? Fram (talk) 09:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source says "Despite her mysticism, further reinforced by membership in the I AM temple, whose tenets included strict vegetarianism, Wells’s teaching was not in any way cultish. She was an inspirer rather than a stickler for technical finesse. Most important, she instilled in her students a deep love for dance in all its forms." The hook (and the article) have shortened this in a way that makes the "despite" misleading. —Kusma (talk) 09:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: I don't follow your comment here... you've said "I did not promote this hook" with a link that appears to show that you did indeed promote it?! — Amakuru (talk) 12:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru, I promoted the hook " ... that Mary Ann Wells, considered the most influential ballet teacher of the Pacific Northwest, mentored numerous talented dancers, including Gerald Arpino, who went on to co-found the Joffrey Ballet?", as can be seen from the diff I provided, not the hook that is currently in the queue. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru For the original promoted hook, the theleekycauldron raised an issue about if the source could be used for the word "influential" in any form. I suggest going with the original hook and cutting that part out to say "... that Mary Ann Wells mentored numerous talented dancers, including Gerald Arpino, who went on to co-found the Joffrey Ballet?" SL93 (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the hook is better without "influential", but Arpino's co-founding of the Joffrey Ballet is not mentioned in the article or supported by the source. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could have sworn I saw it, but now I see that it was said in Arpino's article. I'm going to add it to the article with a source now. SL93 (talk) 13:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Haven't been able to check this yet, possible WP:THURSDAY issue? In monobook, the page layout is broken now, see example - with the "welcome to wikipedia" being moved, a "," on a line by itself, bad font/size as well. — xaosfluxTalk 09:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the comma break by moving the comma in to the h1 element; not seeing that causing breaks on vector or vector22. The h1 styling here seem to be the primary problem now. — xaosfluxTalk 09:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be styles associated with the mw-heading1 div around that h1.. — xaosfluxTalk 10:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing the same issue - it looks very ugly. Thanks for looking into this! Modest Geniustalk 11:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The gap between Welcome to Wikipedia and "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." is too big on Monobook. The line at the top cuts off the bottom of the P. I suggest you do "Welcome to" in smaller letters at the top and then just Wikipedia in large. "Welcome" looks a bit silly being that big.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doing... border/margin - waiting for sync. — xaosfluxTalk 13:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done I'm not sure I love these CSS hacks though. Suggestions for improvement (here or upstream) are more than welcome. — xaosfluxTalk 13:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically I'm not liking that the parser is building the ID from the content and including "," in the element id now. (That is the one thing that will affect all skins). — xaosfluxTalk 13:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Xaosflux Fixing this in Monobook.css was not appropriate (fixing it in WP:Main Page/styles.css is sufficient), nor was I believe moving the comma necessary. The relevant change is phab:T363597. It will be coming to the other skins Soon so we will need to fix it for all skins. Please remove the Monobook.css styles and revert your main page change so we can fix this correctly. Monobook being broken for a day or two is not a reason to... hack. Izno (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Izno looks like phab:T363597 is going to be 2 weeks out? Do you have a fix for /styles.css ready to go, in which case certainly we can pull this out of monobook.css. Also, do you know what the "breaking" change # is for reference? — xaosfluxTalk 17:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not have such a change. I'm not going to work on it until you revert yourself. It's a pain to sort things out when you're starting from the wrong state. Izno (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And no, it is definitely live in Monobook. Izno (talk) 17:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Izno OK, I've restored the broken version - we certainly shouldn't leave this broken for weeks though. — xaosfluxTalk 17:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will take care of it today. :) Izno (talk) 17:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Semantically, not sure about that comma - it is floating between the header and the end of a div that encompasses the header - certainly not a big deal other than the header handling breaking it there. — xaosfluxTalk 17:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is fixed. Padding/margin between the top of the box and the welcome line looks off so that needs some investigation. I'll take a look later to see if that's just my imagination.
The comma is outside for the same reason you felt gross about it being on the inside earlier, except it matters for screen readers. IDK how the comma inside would even sound but it would probably be awkward. Izno (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I got here from T363597 – looks like this was resolved in this edit: [1]. Thanks for fixing it. Matma Rextalk 18:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Error in the did you know section!
In the passage “ that Australian gamer Zer0 led his team to an Apex LegendsGlobal Series championship with a substitution teammate to whom he had never spoken before?” There should be a ‘to’ in between ‘spoken’ and ‘before’ or the sentence could be adjusted in other ways. Legendarycool (talk) 13:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Legendarycool The sentence is correct. 'whom' is the object, and the preposition 'to' is already present earlier in the sentence. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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