I'm gonna be honest, I knew the source wasn't great when I cited it, so that's my bad. I'm more knowledgable with football, but wanted to try and edit some other stubs other than just football ones. Hope that clears that up. :) RossEvans18 (talk) 04:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for removing those. I never understood why people used them on those types of articles. It's not like it's some sort of military front... PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Nikkimaria - -you edited large portion of an entry on the Rechtman Surname. The issue, it appears is some formatting guidelines. Instead of editing out, can you tell me what the issue is or even better just fix it?
Not sure what exactly is the issue here. your "rv" is not clear. So please fix or be explicit.
Thank you. Rechtman (talk) 13:21, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm still not sure what you're asking about. I see a blockquote attributed to Muirhead, but as I said it looks like a typical blockquote to me. Can you be more specific about what problem you're seeing or what you would want to see differently? Nikkimaria (talk) 15:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hi! i found you through the list of peer review volunteers, and i was wondering if you would have any broad suggestions for improving the book article (review request here). it's in a pretty bad state right now and i'm not personally deeply knowledgeable on books so i probably have large blind spots as to what's currently missing.
Thanks, I appreciated your detailed scrutiny of the additions to the entry for Frances Rutherford.
I understand that the information about her family history was removed because of an unreliable source (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rutherford-1050) and too much detail about her relatives.
Two important details are now missing: that Rutherford was a descendant of early British settlers in New Zealand and the first cousin, once removed, of Ernest Rutherford, the nuclear physicist. Her relationship with Ernest Rutherford was noted in the ‘early life’ section of the original entry which stated that she was a cousin. I traced her family tree to verify and explain this relationship.
I would like to offer two options for adding this information and ask your advice about whether either would be acceptable.
Option 1: adding information in a shortened form and different citations, under ‘early life and education’
Option 2: Putting the paragraph which explains her relationship with Ernest Rutherford in her Talk page. This was
Rutherford was a descendant of early British settlers in New Zealand and the first cousin, once removed, of Ernest Rutherford, the nuclear physicist. Her great grandparents George Rutherford (1804-1876) and Mary Rutherford, nee Adie (1807-1877) arrived in Nelson in 1843, two years after New Zealand became a colony within the British Empire. They had three daughters and six sons including James Rutherford (abt. 1839-1928) and William James Rutherford (1848-1935). James Rutherford was born in Dundee. He married Martha Thompson (abt. 1842-1935) in 1866 and they had had twelve children, including Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937). William James Rutherford was born in Nelson. In 1874 he married Emma Louisa Kearns (1876-1963). They had four daughters and four sons, including Charles William Rutherford (1876-1963). He was Frances Moran Rutherford’s father and Ernest Rutherford’s uncle.
Thanks again for your help and I look forward to hearing your suggestions.
In this exchange, the point I was trying to make is that the detail you removed was the only content preventing that section from sliding into full WP:UNDUE. You've removed the only critical analysis of LBJ's use of the Silver Star and left in a rather substantial character count of one POV. I agree that direct quotes aren't needed and that there are additional supporting secondary sources that can be added (e.g. this), but can you please explain how if reducing detail is the mission while still respecting the neuterality of the encyclopedia, you've left in extensive direct quotes from laudatory sources and removed any balancing content? Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually not interested in mechanically reducing content, and I'm astonished how my thoughts above could possibly be interpreted that way. I'm more interested in ensuring that the existing content remains balanced, and this response indicates to me that no substantial thought has been given to the impact of this content on the article. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 04:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO its impact is not positive regardless of what else is there. If there is a balance problem with the existing content, then the existing content should be addressed. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:14, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. So, when balancing content is added, then we should just mindlessly remove it without any awareness of the subject matter and let other editors clean up after ourselves, including reverting editors that actually are familiar with the content. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 04:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's very much not what I said. If the existing content is hagiographic as you suggest, simply throwing in some negative commentary doesn't fix that. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mindlessly removing new content doesn't fix existing balance issues. If you have a thoughtful explanation of why that content needed to be removed in the pursuit of addressing excessive length and detail, I'd love to hear it. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 04:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That particular addition would have been excessive if the article were half its current length or if the section were overwhelmingly negative. Neither adding new content nor removing those additions addresses the existing content and its flaws. I've taken a stab at doing the latter. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking a look, and I want to make sure that my concern is heard. The existing content was not overwhelmingly negative, but overwhelmingly positive. This is the root of my concern; not only did you remove content without substantial analysis, but you reverted an editor who gave a meaningful justification for keeping the content. I've interacted with you before and I'm confident that you respect WP:N, and all I want to do is to ensure that our edits to the article are carefully made with regard to all pillars of our encyclopedia. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 05:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with the perspective you've put forward, but it sounds like we have the same goal, so hopefully the new version addresses that. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria, I'm always made a bit nervous about edits that are said to deal with Earwig numbers (in this case to shut Earwig up), and the more so when the edit that did so, as best I can see, didn't really make the sort of significant rewording that would deal with close paraphrasing. Can I ask you to please take a look at this approved nomination to see whether there are, in your opinion, close paraphrasing issues? Thank you for whatever you can do; I realize this is a long article. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Thanks for your interest and suggestion alterations, some of which I disagree with, and some I am grateful for.
1. Removal of totally: absolutely. It's tautological and unnecessary.
2. Thank you for your substitution, which I am happy with pro tem; the sourcing was clumsy and lazy. However I shall in due course replace "Although many British bathers prefer bathing in the Turkish bath without costumes, or just loosely covered with a towel" when I have sourced it better; I am replacing "[N]udity became rare after many local authorities outsourced the operation of their baths" as this is a simple observable statement. I will neverthe less add sources when I get back to my database.
3. Again I am happy with your removal of footnote 14. I tried to get it again this morning and it led only to their main page. It was, in any case a bad source mentioning 'financial' reasons which locals know (probably from the council minutes) referred to the extra staff requirements. But it is also widely known that they tried not to give this as a reason, instead citing "inappropriate behavior" among male bathers (indicative of poor staff training) and, the latest, "striving for inclusivity" (which is strongly contested). No mention was made of the gaoling of a masseur for inappropriate behaviour! I will, however, probably replace this when I have found my original list of possible sources.
I've further trimmed the item on nudity in the VTb after consulting some senior people in BN. Although there is a general belief that this is the case, they agree with you that there is no hard evidence. Thanks again for drawing this to my attention and for your interest. Ishpoloni (talk) 15:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Alon Alush, according to the template documentation, height should be included only "If person was notable for their height, or if height is relevant", cause of death only "when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability", and relatives only "if independently notable and particularly relevant"; none of those criteria are met. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Sagawa's height is very relevant in this context, he was a very short man, and cannibalized because he felt short and weak, to "absorb someone else's energy" according to his own words. I believe that his height is very relevant to the topic. Alon Alush (talk) 13:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, it makes sense to include his relatives in the infobox, his father, Akira Sagawa, was the owner of "Kurita Water Industries", and was a very rich man. He played an important role in the release of Sagawa, paying a settlement to one of his previous victims to get Sagawa's charges dropped. Alon Alush (talk) 13:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, there's nothing you can do about it. The maintainer is largely inactive, and was told about this years ago, so I don't realistically expect it to get fixed. It seems to be a kind of WP:GENFIX thing ("It's not a bug; it's a feature!") that might be better handled as a namespace-sensitive action. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After promoting the Vegas Golden Knights article to GA, I'm hoping to eventually get it to FAC (though I'm not in a hurry to do so). As part of this, I nominated it for peer review, which @Matarisvan is currently working on. As part of the review's initial comments, they noted that the logo and jersey images in the infobox could possibly be an issue for FAC, and directed me to ask you for advice. Neither are CC-licensed, but both have credible non-free-use rationale. TheKip04:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi The Kip, a couple of thoughts on that. First off, as a general rule, the more non-free content you want to include, the stronger the rationale is needed for each for them to be justified. For example, I see you have two non-free logos with essentially the same rationale - I'd want to see reasoning why both are needed / one is not sufficient. The other thing to consider is to make sure the rationale covers all of the criteria. For example, the uniform image just gives the uploader as the source, which falls short of the recommendations around 10a. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the uniform source with credit to the Golden Knights, and two references (respectively for the grey/white and gold uniforms) to back up the credit. As for the rationale - could you elaborate further? I'm not quite sure if I understand. TheKip05:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A good non-free rationale should clearly identify why the image is necessary. If you have two images with basically the same rationale, it naturally raises the question of why you need two images to do the same thing - to include both, there needs to be a clearly expressed reason. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not quite sure how they have an identical rationale, though - the uniform states
To denote the uniform of the team. The uniform is described in detail in the article and is a visual identifier of the team equal to (and in some sports more important than) the logo. It is standard to display uniforms of a sports team in the infobox.
while the logo states
The image is used to identify the brand Vegas Golden Knights, a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the brand, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the brand, and illustrate the nature of the brand in a way that words alone could not convey.
The logo's rationale denotes that it represents the brand, while the uniforms' rationale denotes that it is as if not more important to the brand than the logo. TheKip07:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not the uniform, the two logos. First one:
The image is used to identify the brand Vegas Golden Knights, a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the brand, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the brand, and illustrate the nature of the brand in a way that words alone could not convey.
Second one:
The image is used to identify the brand Vegas Golden Knights, a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the brand, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the brand, and illustrate the nature of the brand in a way that words alone could not convey.
I've updated the descriptions to denote why both the primary and secondary are important to include - please review whenever you've got a moment. TheKip01:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely better. I do question whether we want the "assure the readers that they have reached the right article" verbiage in the secondary logo rationale given that this isn't the one positioned where readers will see it on arriving at the page. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There is a process for moving files at Commons according to uploader request, outlined here. On this wiki, you can generally move things around within your userspace; however, if you're looking to change your username it would probably make your life easier to rename your account. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nikki - hoping I can get your wisdom on a(nother) copyright question.
Concerning maps, archaeological diagrams and so on: I understand that simply copying a chart or plan made by another person would be a derivative work, and so not permitted unless that diagram was itself in the public domain. However, how does this sit versus the idea that bare facts -- such as, for example, the location of a wall -- cannot be copyrighted?
In this specific case, if I've got a published site plan like this guy, which itself is described at great length in the accompanying text, how much room is there for me to make a plan of the same site without falling foul of copyright, and is there any way I can help ensure that the resulting diagram ends up on the right side of all the necessary rules? UndercoverClassicistT·C20:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi UndercoverClassicist, the key would be to avoid incorporating any original element from the published diagram - if you can forget you saw it entirely and create your own based only on the text, that would be ideal. (Alternatively, is the chart old enough to be PD?). Nikkimaria (talk) 03:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nikki -- no, the charts aren't old enough, sadly (the site was excavated in 1939), but at the same time it seems ridiculous for there to be no way to map the site just because someone else has already made a map. Normally, you could just trace it from Google Maps, but there's a roof over the building. I assume the key word there is original: that is, if the two diagrams coincide simply because they describe the same physical thing, that's fine, but any reconstruction, symbology etc is considered a creative act which has copyright protection? UndercoverClassicistT·C07:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Putting that another way: any choice that a chart creator could reasonably not make? Thanks, Nikki -- this is helpful. I'll give it a go: do you mind if I run what I come up with past you? UndercoverClassicistT·C07:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason, I was particularly tickled by your DYK running today. Thanks for being one of many inspirations in my pursuing excellent work on here. Remsense诉10:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Take immediate action on Iran's religion numbers on the infobox[edit]
Hello. Unfortunately, there are users who are trying to destroy some sensitive information on Iran. I know that this discussion already exists in the Iran's talk page, but I want you to personally take action on the situation since you are paying close attention to the page. Religion numbers on the infobox has been fully destroyed by some newly-created accounts in an intend to change the facts with unreliable sources (using an anti-Iranian/opposition website as their source...) and reject the country's official general census, which was on the infobox for literally years. Please remove the religious section from Infobox once and for all, *and do something that no one revert it this easily with false info*. Most country pages do not even have religion numbers on the infobox for this exact reason: to avoid such discussions in the talk page, and since the Iran's talk page is on fire with tons of people wanting this to change, please do something fast. This is a massive problem on Iran's page and it needs to get resolved immediately. Farnaj57 (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Nikki. I made a few edits to my cousin's, Perry Bass, page to add the names of his parents and to add info regarding our family history and roots in Texas through Benjamin Roland Bass and Susan Green Bass. I added it in support to a quote from Perry's grandson in which he made reference to his family's multi-generational history in Texas. I therefore added the information regarding our common relatives (Ben and Susan Bass) who migrated from Tennessee to Texas in about 1855. As support, I included links to the 1850 census showing them in Tennessee, and also a link to the 1860 census showing them in Texas (which also noted that they had a child born about 5 years earlier who was born in Texas, thereby establishing the time frame of about 1855 . . . I have some property records as well since my grandmother inherited part of the land they originally acquired, but that would be a bit more tedious to run down). I also included information about the family's linkage back to early 17th century Virginia and the Nansemond Nation. With respect to this latter part, I can see why that would be removed for lack of reliability. I don't even know where I would start in adding all of the documentation around that, so probably not worth trying. I am confused, however, regarding what additional information you would be looking for to support the information regarding Ben and Susan Bass. I included links to their "Findagrave" locations, which if you click through their child Porter Bass, to his son, Dr. E. Perry Bass, it will take you to Perry Richardson Bass. I figured that would be sufficient, but I am knew to making edits in Wikipedia so I may be missing something. It is possible that I am looking at things with a less skeptical eye since I personally know, and am part of, that shared portion of family history. Thanks for any insights. Ksquared73 (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ksquared73, an important thing to be aware of is that Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. This means that unpublished sources, like family recollections, cannot be included at all, and user-generated sources like Findagrave are not considered reliable. It also means that there are significant limitations on how primary sources can be used - they have to be reputably published and they can't be combined or interpreted in any way. The practical effect of all of that is that (outside of people like royals whose genealogy is a subject of significant study) it can be very difficult to appropriately source extended family linkages. This is part of the reason why genealogical entries appear on the list of things that Wikipedia is not. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is an excellent summary. I very much appreciate it. There are actually some other references that exist on this (newspaper articles, and at least one book that I know of), so I will try to dig them up. Thanks again! 2600:1006:B1A1:3B7:5CB1:EC04:89B4:4A39 (talk) 00:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your edits to Ulysses S. Grant. Your approach to reducing the size of the article, trimming one sentence or paragraph at a time, and with only the most minor sacrifice of actual sourced material, is one that I had not had any confidence in, but your results have been impressive. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that you removed a citation that I added on the 'Parachute regiment in media' page. it was about cars 2. I felt that the citation from the cars wiki was reliable, but if you think it wasn't that alright, but I'd just like an explanation for future reference when I'm adding citations.
I noticed that you deleted the death section of George Gadaski. Understand that you deleted the link because of an uncertain refernce. In the future use other links such as the artilce published from SlamWrestling instead of deleting everything.
Thank you,
Kingzwest Kingzwest (talk) 23:39 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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When tagging pages for speedy deletion (or PROD or AFD), it really helps if you make use of Twinkle. It's an editing tool that makes so many different tasks so easy. It basically knows all of the useful templates so you don't have to memorize them or go look for the correct one. It allows you to tag articles for problems, welcome new editors, report vandals to noticeboards, set up AFD discussion, it even maintains logs for you. Best of all, if you set your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator", it will post a notice on a page creator's talk page, letting them know what is going on.
The reason I bring it up is that you tagged an article as a CSD G5 and when you tag that with Twinkle, it provides a field where you put the name of the sockmaster. That way, when a patrolling admin reviews the article, they can easily see who the sockmaster is and go look at the relevant SPI. Also, if an article is deleted, it will have the name of the sockmaster in the deletion summary at the top of the page. I encourage you to try out Twinkle if you haven't used it or tried it but didn't stick with it. I use it to do almost all of my administrator tasks and it's made the job much easier. Give it a shot! LizRead!Talk!02:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please suggest what I am to do about sources from this long ago. On the one hand, someone else is telling me that every entry needs a source. On the other, there are very few online obituary sources from back in the 80s, and any newspaper articles are typically hidden behind a paywall. And now I am being told that I can't use the only source I could find. All of these entries are connected to a Wikipedia page, and most of them also don't have sources for deaths. Please indicate what the "right" thing to do is when faced with this dilemma. Braintic (talk) 02:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Braintic, if you are not able to identify a source for a claim, you should omit it. Links to Wikipedia articles aren't substitutes for sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have checked the 1990 deaths, which I am not responsible for compiling, and 42% of deaths there are unsourced. For 2000 it is 37%. Are you saying that I am within my rights to delete all those death entries?
Even in 2010, which is mostly sourced many of the links are to memorabilia pages or player profiles on sporting sites, many news articles state "died Friday" or "died over Christmas" and many are to blog sites.
And I am not sure why you regard the Find a Grave site to not be reliable. It is owned by Ancestry.com, which is just about the most reputable genealogy site and has been around for almost 30 years. It is certainly infinitely more reliable than all of those sources I mentioned from 2010. Braintic (talk) 07:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest having a look at this page, which outlines several commonly used sources and links to discussions regarding them. If there are sources that are not on this list that you think are questionable, I'd encourage you to open a discussion at WP:RSN. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise if I'm not following the correct procedure for addressing my query regarding a recent edit (removal of external link). This is my first time using Wikipedia's 'User talk' feature.
I contributed a whole paragraph and photograph to enhance the description of an area I have personal knowledge about. There's one notable residential street in the London suburbs with a particularly unique layout, which I recently extensively created as a One Place Study (OPS) on WikiTree. I chose this platform because it allows for direct linkage from property census information to new or existing family trees – essentially, it answers the question of 'who lived where and when.' Its focus and remit is different from Wikipedia's, as it primarily deals with ordinary people in the context of social history, rather than those who have achieved a certain degree of fame or notability that might be approached from a less obscure perspective.
In my opinion, someone reading about this area on Wikipedia might find the content of the WikiTree OPS intriguing, and I created what I believed was a responsible link to this resource.
I fully comprehend the importance of monitoring content on Wikipedia to maintain its ongoing significance as a repository of knowledge. I also acknowledge that external links should not be utilised to promote commercial enterprises or favour information vendors of a dubious nature. Earlier on the same Wikipedia page, there is a link to a major UK retailer, which, in my view, falls into a grey area.
If I have misconstrued the rules regarding the use of external links, I would greatly appreciate an explanation of my mistake. Conversely, if I've made a compelling case for the inclusion of the link, could it please be reinstated? Shoepepper (talk) 14:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I learnt something very useful, clarifying a basic function that I totally misunderstood. Shoepepper (talk) 10:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a courtesy note to let you know you have been mentioned in this thread. It does not concern any actions you have made, but rather the insulting language used about you by another editor. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 16:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual thought, in common with those many who think it but who don't speak it, is Oh dear ! The truth is to be found by third-parties, within the shared exchanges. It's eternal, and survives denial .
I suppose it could be added that it manifestly shows though Content creation and reviewing ..., though it may be thought to be an Editor's First love , isn't, in practice, their very ' First ' love . That particular Love may be deduced, (as it can be in all men), by observing what or whom they serve.
I consider curation to be an essential part of content creation and reviewing. If you disagree with the particular change which prompted this post, I'd suggest you take it to the talk page. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nikkimaria, I hope you're keeping well. Can I check on an image that's just been put into an FA? The change can be seen here. The current version is a cropped copy of the previous version, but whereas the previous version is still under copyright in the UK, the new version is claimed to be free of copyright by virtue of being published in the US. It seems odd that it's still under copyright here, but isn't elsewhere, so I thought I'd best check.
The current version is poorer quality and doesn't show as much as the original version, so I'd prefer the older one back, but I'm not sure I'd be allowed if there is a free replacement. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi SchroCat, the new version is credited to the AP, which makes things a bit more complicated than that tagging would suggest - per Library of Congress "works published after 1963 and unpublished photographs in the collection may be protected even if they were not registered with the Copyright Office". From what I've seen Commons has typically deleted such images under the precautionary principle citing that LOC guidance. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there, as a relatively new editor it is quite often hard to spot the reasoning behind reversions you make. Not that I fault you for trying to save time, but a reference to some kind of policy, or an essay in absence of official policy, would help not only the people you're correcting, but also those trying to understand what is being fought over. Like MOS:Images.
Writing because I saw 'causes layout issues' multiple times now (most recently at Germany) and have no idea at all what you meant in any of those cases. Especially because the relevant diffs seemed fine on PC. JackTheSecond (talk) 10:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Various suggestions for changing the Lead and adding headings have been made on the Talk page (changes were initially made in the article, which I reverted pending discussion). There are some areas where I have suggested compromises, but the proponent and I disagree about most of the changes, and I think we have each set forth our arguments thoroughly. I would value your review and comment on the Talk page. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for helping me to be a better Wikipedia editor.
When you deleted the summary of Notable people for University of Pennsylvania from lede/lead ("Lede") even though the other 7 Ivy League schools and peer institutions such as Stanford, Duke, UChicago etc. (collectively, "Ivies + Peers)" were not deleted. I wrote to you to ask you to please identify which Wikipedia rules ("WikiRules") require such. I also wrote in my heading that if I was shown such WikiRules I would help you delete the Ledes for all Ivies + Peers. I did not (as you requested that I) ask the question in your Talk page and apologize for not following your request as you have a lot more experience (over 50 times more experience) than me. Per your 2nd request, I am now writing this in Talk section. Please reply with WikiRules requiring deletion of Summary of Notable people in Lede and, if I agree, I will help you delete Ledes in all similar Summaries of Notable people in Ledes for all Ivies + Peers. I will reference reason for deletion being you, Nikkimaria, and WikiRules you cite (which you educated me about).
Thanks for helping me to be a better Wikipedia editor. OneMoreByte (talk) 05:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there! The specific "WikiRule" at issue is WP:LEAD: the lead section is meant to provide a neutral, balanced, high-level overview of an article's contents. What you're proposing is to take up a quarter of the lead with notable alumni (a balance issue), including calling out specific individuals (which isn't suited to a high-level overview). Also, be aware that just because other articles do something, that doesn't mean it's the best thing to do. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for quite reply. I
read rule you cited and it is not black and white rule to delete what you deleted. It does say to limit to 3 or 4 paragraphs, which has been done.
That being said,
I will not revert Penn's lede if Ledes of all other peer schools have same rule applied. I understand that it violates Wikipedia rules to not apply rules uniformly. Please delete Lede language you deleted at Penn from the other Ivy and peer schools. If not so deleted in next month or so I am likely to revert and put back Penn info you deleted.
Leie of all other peer schools have same rule appli It violates other Wikipedia rules to not uniformity apply rules.ed. OneMoreByte (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you explain what rule you think is being violated? While of course all articles should be written as well as they possibly can be, the reality is that many are in need of improvement, and there is no deadline to getting that done; the fact that other articles may need work is not a reason to undo work done here. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i submitted a long reply that did not show up. I used visual rather than source . Is there a limit to length of my Talk reply? OneMoreByte (talk) 04:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
well visual edit to my reply showed up. I must have inadvertently deleted. I will rewrite next time I have time.
In short, you are honoring my request to delete all summary of accomplishments of notable people from rest of Ivy League and already deleted such summaries from Brown and Columbia. If no cogent arguments to persuade you and the Wiki to stop you deleting the remaining 5 Ivies, then you have proved your point and the Wiki has spoken! In such case
You cited SOM that you thought supported that all 8 Ivies should have portion of their Ledes that summarize Ivy alumni and faculty and trustees be deleted.
ummary of accomplishments of notable people from rest of Ivy League and already deleted such summaries from Brown and Columbia. If no cogent arguments to persuade you and the Wiki to stop you deleting the remaining 5 Ivies, then you have proved your point and the Wiki has spoken! In such case
revert. OneMoreByte (talk) 04:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
last sentence should read.
"In such case, I will not revert! OneMoreByte (talk) 04:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
i agree with Elkevbo's reversion and welcome you and Elkevbo to figure out whether all 8 Ivies should be treated uniformly about issue they share and makes them successful
Hello, I see that you have reverted a great deal of the work that I did on the Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart article (work which was the result of a serious application of my time and effort). The instructions seemed to say that the material in the infobox was the material that required discussion before edits were to be applied. On the article's Talk page, I have provided a brief explanation of my reasoning, for some of the changes I made to the article, if that would serve any purpose relative to your intent. The edits I made to the article were all syntactical, I did not add or remove any facts, nor did I change the structure of the work that was already present. If you know the process by which I must have my edits considered for application to the Mozart article, then please share that information with me. If you do not know, then if you can instruct me regarding how I might accomplish that goal, then you would be doing me a great service. Thank you. —catsmoketalk05:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Catsmoke, I'll address the substance of your edits on the talk page so others can weigh in, but regarding process, there is a hidden comment in the article specifically regarding the lead: "Please do not edit this lead section without discussing first on talk page—it's the result of a consensus that involved some work to reach." Nikkimaria (talk) 13:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that non-Canadian readers should know the pronunciation. For places like Saskatchewan, I think the pronunciation should be included. But for Manitoba, Alberta, etc. I think the pronunciation can be inferred. It’s not an unusual word. WizardGamer775 (talk) 02:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alberta is derived from English; Manitoba is derived from an Indigenous language. And while it would be nice to think that the pronunciation should be obvious, I can say from listening to people butcher it that it is not. No harm in clarifying. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I see a parameter I've not seen used before being used now as seen here or here. I don't think it's a new parameter but have we talked about this before? This seems like a can of worms we should avoid in infoboxs. This seems like prep work not to call countries a country by way of recognition of one organization. Moxy🍁 00:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall a specific discussion about it but it's definitely not intended for identifying organizational recognition - it's more for flagging things like dependencies. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't any other edits along those lines - have you? If it's just one confused user I don't think it warrants going into detail, but I might be missing something. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've never seen it used before.... this parameter have something to do with the RFC about microztates that recently took place? Moxy🍁 00:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like it could be a pain, but maybe it's worth brainstorming another name for the parameter. "status" seems designed for ambiguity. Remsense诉00:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds reasonable..... Wonder if it should be cuddled altogether. Would love to do a large review and remove a whole bunch of these parameters.... like driving side. Moxy🍁 00:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The usage I've seen has been to identify status for non-sovereign entities, like Gibraltar. It doesn't make sense for states, and even for partially recognised states the |sovereignty_type field is used. How can we remove driving side when we still have | patron_saint and | patron_saints? CMD (talk) 00:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we're looking at a broader cleanup I'd nominate |antipodes=. Looks like saints are in the parameter check but not actually part of the template display? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just curious for my own edification. Recently you reverted an edit on Amagasaki Serial Murder Incident with your edit summary reading "rv apparent copyvio." I'm not as up to date with editor lingo as I should be, but does that mean the sources the reverted edit linked to were copyrighted sources? Are paywalled newspapers not acceptable sources for Wiki edits? Again, I'm just asking because I want to know for the future. I give Wiki edit-a-thon assignments in some of my university courses, so I want to be able to direct my students in a way that will keep their edits from being reverted in future iterations of the assignment. Thanks! Kurtishanlon (talk) 23:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kurtishanlon, using copyrighted sources is fine, but the material in them has to be summarized rather than copied. For example, if you look at this source, you see "Meanwhile the citizens of Amagasaki, a rough-and-tumble industrial town of 460,000 on Osaka's western periphery, have been aghast at the negative publicity dumped on their town in the wake of the Sumida affair. In the latest fallout, Aera noted that when 15 middle school students from neighboring Nishinomiya were scheduled to tour local factories earlier this month, only three showed up"; that's nearly identical to the material at the bottom of that diff. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhhhhh, I didn't even think of that possibility. I was grading so many wiki edits in a row that I totally forgot to compare for regular ol' plagiarism (my brain gets a little fried, ya know?). Thanks so much for the clarification, Nikkimaria. That's definitely on me for forgetting that some students haven't yet learned that's not acceptable, so thanks for checking that edit so closely. Kurtishanlon (talk) 02:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 2023 GDP was $403b, not the one that is mentioned on the infobox ($366b). See IMF for yourself, and compare it to the numbers on the infobox, you can clearly see everything is wrong with that. Could you just update the whole thing to 2024 please? If not, at least correct the 2023 numbers. But I suggest you to update all of it to 2024 since all country pages are doing it. Pretty much all the economic statistics of the country pages' infobox have been updated to 2024, but with Iran, I don't know why no one's catching the false info, its flat out wrong and it could mislead people. Please Just update them all together to 2024 so it's over once and for all, and please say in the description that all countries have updated the statistics to 2024 so that no one reverts it again. Farnaj57 (talk) 08:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The existing source supports the given number for 2023 - do you know why there's such a difference between the two?
As to 2024, the objection raised was that the numbers provided are projections not actuals, citing WP:CRYSTAL - do you have a reason why that objection should be overridden? "Other articles do it" doesn't mean it's the best approach. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know they are projections, but I'm seeing that almost all countries are updating to 2024, so I don't know why Iran's page should not be updated. If you don't update it, someone else will come and do it eventually. Anyway, what needs to change ASAP is the current info: The *2023* GDP (Along with PPP and all) are wrong, at least correct that. I sent the IMF link that $366 billion for 2023 is false, please correct it, its literally misinformation. And don't forget to update the ratings aswell.
Both dates are mentioned in bold at the center of the website. Those expired numbers on the infobox are from October of last year, and IMF has just published the new numbers, which I put above for you. Farnaj57 (talk) 14:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have repeatedly reverted to a version prior thus deleting the below addition "Drug Use". Why? The sources are many and three are cited here. The main source, over 40 letters handwritten and signed by Bruce Lee is far better than most sources. It was also sold for $462,500 at [[Heritage Auctions]] having to verify the letters authenticity to enable it to be sold especially for such a large sum. Additionally another one of the sources [[The Times]] is a British dailynational newspaper based in London. It began in 1785, 365,880 an average daily circulation of 365,880 in March 2020. Central16 (talk) 18:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Central16, handwritten letters are not the best source in this case - Wikipedia articles are meant to be summaries of reliable secondary sources. Of the ones you cited, one is a press release and another is a tabloid. The Times is better, and I've included a shortened version using it. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to do this a lot, and rather than trying yourself to contribute a more reliable source, you seem to just remove the whole addition entirely. You claim to be doing this to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia's editorial standards, but it just seems flippant and gatekeeping in effect 80.44.184.192 (talk) 03:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you dignify me with a bit more of a response than that? I'm passionate about the metatopic as an academic, and the topic I contributed to. Explain why you think it's appropriate to exclude my contribution when I can see plenty of contributions that can equally be counted as "irrelevant" based on your logic. 80.44.184.192 (talk) 03:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable Source editing for Natashia Williams page[edit]
Hello, I was wanting to get consensus on the edit citations I’ve added to some of the credits on the page, namely the one in the first paragraph for ‘She Spies’; I’m stumped as to why the IMDb references is not a good one to use? I pray my contribution is not considered vandalism. Thank you for helping understand. Best SinghRyder2011 (talk) 07:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your explanation and for alerting me to was undue, which I've now read. I disagree that my paragraph was undue relative to the topic as a whole. undue speaks to addressing viewpoints, whereas my paragraph presented facts. They were facts that were intended to supplement the facts in the preceding paragraph, which state that Jefferson favored colonization of Black people because he believed that they had innate human rights. Foner's facts provide balance by showing Jefferson's lack of concern about breaking up slave families. As a compromise, I have put back only part of my paragraph. Note that I removed the phrase "[Jefferson] who frequently waxed sentimental about the idea of family," because Foner is laying it on a bit thick there, essentially criticizing Jefferson, even while sticking to facts. See what you think. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! I saw that someone recently edited Iran's page with the Iranian attack on Israel (at the very end of the history section). There are some major problems with the wording of that part, and it doesn't include some critical info, or include false info. Please improve it, and edit it to this so the users know what happened:
"On 1 April 2024, Israel's air strike on an Iranian consulate building in the Syrian capital Damascus killed a senior commander of the IRGC, Gen Mohammad Reza Zahedi. In retaliation, Iran launched a major attack on Israel with UAVs, cruise and ballistic missiles on 13 April 2024. Several countries in the West Asia closed their airspaces a few hours before Iran launched its standoff attack. The American, French, British and Jordanian air forces and navy helped Israel to shoot down the Iranian drones. At least nine missiles struck two Israeli air bases, namely the Nevatim and Ramon. It was the largest drone strike in history, intended to overwhelm anti-aircraft defenses, the biggest missile attack in Iranian history, and its first ever direct attack on Israel. It was also the first time since 1991 that Israel itself was attacked by a state force. Israel retaliated by executing limited strikes within Iran on 18 April 2024."
Israel never attacked Isfahan itself, they targeted an air defense facility, and its even mentioned here with reliable sources. The part also says that the attack was intercepted, while its literally mentioned here that at least nine missiles hit Israeli airbases. Again, all well-sourced. I did my best to summarize what happened while still including all the important and critical information. Some of the citations already exists on the article body, but here's more if you nedeed. You can also take the citations here:
For updating the GDP stuff, I requested it on the talk page before I came to you, 3 days went, and nothing happened, didn't even get a reply. I'm asking you because you are active more than anyone. I will be grateful if you do the editing, or reduce the protection level so I can do it myself. That page needs multiple updates and fixings ASAP, some info are getting expired. Do this one fixing, I'll do the other improvments when the page's protection level reduces. Farnaj57 (talk) 08:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm going to request for the third time, just to be rejected again lol. Look, if I haven't gone through everything, I wouldn't contact someone like you directly for edits. I did everything and no one answered, that's why I'm asking you personally, and if even you don't improve the pages, maybe its time for me to just let it go and leave Wikipedia entirely. This website is truly becoming useless and outdated, like, what's the point of it when the infos are either false or expired, and the pages are locked, making it impossible for people to improve. No wonder why tons of people, including university professors are saying that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, they're %100 right... Absolute waste of time to even read, let alone contribute. Farnaj57 (talk) 14:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if the request for reducing protection is refused, you have a couple of other options. You can add ((Edit extended-protected)) to your talk-page posts (without the nowiki tags) to add them to queues for response, or you can continue editing as you're not that far off the mark where you'd be able to edit extended-protected articles directly. For the interim, I've condensed the section. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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When you reverted the infobox of Little Moreton Hall to the last stable version you said that this was "pending further discussion". I can see that you haven't commented further on the LMH talk page or in the Montacute House discussion I directed you toward; do you know when and where this further discussion might take place? The issue isn't settled, that's all. A.D.Hope (talk) 12:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would seem that the issue hasn't captured the interest of any additional editors on the article's talk page; I can't say when or if it will, unfortunately. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi. Given your expertise in handling DYK nominations, I thought you probably could help with resolving the potential issue that I'm experiencing with this one. I nominated the article soon after it was promoted to GA status and to the best of my knowledge the hook has not appeared on the main page, however, the nomination itself does not appear under the DYK "Current nominations" list either. Is there a reasonable explanation for this? Keivan.fTalk06:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for the prompt response. Even though I have worked on some GAs in the past this was my first DYK nomination so I'm not entirely familiar with the process. Many regards Keivan.fTalk14:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'm Blue Riband. I did some work on the TSS Duke of Lancaster (1955) article which needed some bare URLs fixed and some updating through RS. I noticed that you had removed some poorly sourced material as UrbExa had sourced to deprecated sources. When we revert a relatively new editor it might help to drop them a line or two to let them know what they did. It will help point them in the right direction so that they don't keep repeating the same mistakes. He/she probably has no idea that The Sun and The Mirror are a deprecated sources. BlueRiband►04:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A check of UrbExa's talk page history didn't turn up any deprecated source warnings. The editor started in November of last year and seems to have had other edits deleted for not sourcing or using ones that are not reliable. When I was a new editor I found it very discouraging to have had my contributions reverted while not understanding why. Hopefully UrbExa will follow the links that I provided and learn. BlueRiband►17:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria Thank you for conducting the image review for the article Catherine, Princess of Wales. In your most recent comment, you mentioned that you do not find any quality concerns regarding the other images. Furthermore, I have since then requested further suggestions from you. As this is my first FA nomination, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on the image review. I am eager to ensure that all images meet the FAC standards and any suggestions you provide will be taken into consideration. Looking forward to your response. MSincccc (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria Thank you for your time and response. Has the image review concluded, or is it still open for discussion? I just wanted to clarify this with you. Looking forward to your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 03:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria Given that the image review has concluded from your perspective, would you mind leaving a closing note about your thoughts on the image review? Of course, I am open to other reviewers' suggestions as well, but your closing note would be greatly appreciated. Have a great day ahead. Looking forward to your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 05:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, after all that, I can't run it at TFA on July 3 because that would give us 4 reruns in a row. Does July 8 work for you? - Dank (push to talk) 00:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nikkimaria,
Thanks for your great edit on Robert Adams. I noticed you took out this:
"Interestingly, before news organizations traced IRS records to Avantae (Michelle), few people knew that Michelle was now known as Avantae Devens. This revelation led to the discovery that Nicole Adams’ real name is Leonie Maxwell, who was 95 years old when hospitalized in April and passed away on May 21, 2024.[1] Further research revealed that"
Did you find the citation incorrect? Do you have a suggestion for how this may be improved, added or cited. I think it is a true and important paragraph. Many people will want to know that Robert Adams' wife passed away and how it was discovered that Leonie Maxwell is truly Nicole Adams. Welcome650 (talk) 05:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Talk page stalker here Welcome650. Your edit cited Findagrave.com. Unfortunately Wikipedia considers that to be an unreliable source because it is user-generated and lacking in editorial oversight. Here is a link to a list of citations commonly used by editors:WP:RSP. These range for sources considered reliable to others with such a poor reputation that they cannot be used at all. If you can find a better source that verifies Nicole Adams' real name then by all means re-introduce that information. BlueRiband►15:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reproduction of the portrait from the German Historical Museum published here is not a copy of the portrait from the Musée Carnavalet . This is an independent work that allows us to draw conclusions about Robespierre's appearance. The topic of this politician's appearance is still causing serious controversy and the presence of additional, different from the well-known images created during his lifetime is very important for the study of this topic. This is not a duplicate or unnecessary information. This is a fact that allows us to replace existing theories and correct the perception of his image.
The portrait I am offering was recently found by the German Historical Museum in a private collection . It significantly influences the perception of the famous portrait the Musée Carnavalet and casts doubt on its originality. Therefore, this information should be published. It is important for historians.
If you have any questions about the content of my answer or doubts about the need for publication, write to me about it. Thermidor58 (talk) 21:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Thermidor58, you could consider creating an article on the portrayal of Robespierre. However, this level of detail is excessive for the main article, which is already quite lengthy. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Transferring information about a new portrait to another article will significantly reduce the audience that can learn about it, which can lead to errors in historical research based on knowledge of only one portrait.
I have corrected my addition to the article. If this option is not suitable, please write how need to edit this text and illustration so that the fact of the appearance of a new portrait is displayed in the main article. Thermidor58 (talk) 22:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Thermidor58, in my opinion your addition does not belong in this article. If you feel it does, you can propose it on the talk page and see if you can gain consensus for its inclusion from other interested page-watchers. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be grateful if you would indicate the objective reasons for the refusal to publish this information and the criteria by which its value is determined. Thermidor58 (talk) 10:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi MichaelScheufele, to be frank, I don't think it's of very good quality at the moment. Here are some things you could do to improve it:
The article includes material directly copied from the oral history interview - it needs to be verified first off whether that material is in the public domain, and if so it should be attributed. (If not it needs to go).
Address the cleanup tag
Rework the article's structure to flow more logically
Expand the lead to be a more complete summary of the topic
To address the first issue: I saw the copyright label from 1972, inserted into the oral history interview transcript. Therefore, I sent them an Email and asked for permission to quote/cite on Wikipedia from the Transcript of the “Oral history interview with William Jay Schieffelin, 1949”
The answer was the following (Oral History Archives at Columbia):
Hello,
The catalog record for many oral histories says “Permission required to cite and quote.” However, permission is no longer required for non-commercial use and access that qualifies as fair use. Scholarship is non-commercial use.
An example of the repository's suggested citation format is:
Reminiscences of Christian Franklin Schilt, Jr. (1967), pages __________, Marine Corps project, Oral History Archives at Columbia, Rare Book & Manuscript Library, Columbia University in the City of New York.
Additional citation examples can be found on our FAQ.
Best,
OHAC Staff
So, as far as I could understand, they provided the permission to use the material for Wikipedia (non-commercial), but they did not explicitly say the material is “public domain”.
What shall I do now? Shall I attribute it in my article as “public domain”, as it seems to be required in Wikipedia? Or, shall I mention this permission on the Talk page of my article?
What does “Only limited quotation can be used” mean?
Does it mean (worst case) that I must delete all text directly copied from the oral history interview?
Or could I rephrase the quotes and try to say it in my own words?
Or could I keep the text as it is by adding a “Creative Commons Licenses” label (e.g., CC BY-SA …)?
(I feel like I did nothing wrong because I asked OHAC, and they gave permission to use the material non-commercially, and I quoted as they suggested in their example. My intention was to convey William's personality authentically.)
You can't add a label that doesn't match how OHAC has chosen to release the work. If they were open to it you could request that licensing, but at the moment although you're acting in good faith, that's not what you have.
Hi Nikkimaria, thanks again for your clarifications and help!
I would like to suggest the following proceeding with my article:
1) I would save a copy of the current version of the article (would it also still be available in the version management on Wikipedia to possibly be restored later?).
2) I would delete the text adhering too closely to the source text, keep limited quotation only. I would publish this reduced “stub” version of the article on Wikipedia.
3) I would ask OHAC, whether they would be open to me publishing the article like it is in the current “full” version. If yes, I would request proper licensing from OHAC.
4) If OHAC refuses, or have concerns, I would like to go ahead with the reduced “stub” version by adding paraphrasing text and limited quotations only.
Would the proposed proceeding OK for you, or do you have concerns or other suggestions?
Now, I tried to improve my article. I have shortened the text and tried to avoid extensive quotations and instead express the topics briefly in my own words. I have also expanded the lead to include a summary of the most important topics.
Certainly an improvement on quoting (disclaimer: I haven't checked the paraphrasing). I would suggest structure would be the next priority for improvement. For example, "Social Network" is not typically a section included in such biographies - significant connections are instead woven into the narrative where relevant. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nikkimaria,
I have shortened the text considerably and paraphrased the rest of the text, except for the quote in the "France Forever" section, which I would like to leave as it is. However, if you say that it is a no-go, then I will paraphrase or remove this quote as well. I have removed the "Social Network" section and inserted the content appropriately into the other text.
In my opinion, the article is minimalistic, but it covers most of the topics Schieffelin worked on. That's why I like the article and would prefer to leave it as it is. But I'm also open to further cuts or improvements. If necessary, I could remove more quotes.
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Pushpin map showing relative world location of NYC[edit]
Nikkimaria, I am baffled by your removing the world pushpin map from the NYC article. It’s been there for over 100 edits without objection. The London article contains the same feature. These are the two highest-ranked cities in most global city rankings, and so the world position is clearly WP:DUE. But truthfully, it could relevantly go on all global cities’ articles, including Montreal, for example; it simply takes some effort on the part of the editors who normally edit those articles frequently. Why does it bother you so much that it’s specifically on NYC’s article, especially when it’s such an innocuous edit? Why not just enhance, for example, the Montreal article with that feature? Castncoot (talk) 05:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Nikkimaria! Can you please archive the topics of Iran's Talk page? With no edit request, the topics are either finished, answered or old, and unfortunately, I don't know how to do it. Farnaj57 (talk) 10:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Farnaj57, there's a bot that will do that automatically as long as the comments are dated - I've added a couple of dates that were missing. If you want to you can also change the bot's settings by adjusting this part at the top of the page:
It is not the case that more refs = better article, particularly for a high-level article like this one. Of course we want more than a handful, but we're well past that in either case. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, but be aware that different referencing styles can cause differences between the number of footnotes and the number of sources. Also United States is a former GA, not a current one. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop removing governance from the lede sentence of articles about US colleges and universities[edit]
Stop removing governance - public or private - from the lede sentence of articles about US colleges and universities. That is critical information that should be among the very first things that readers learn and unquestionably belongs in the lede as demonstrated in nearly every existing article about a US college or university. ElKevbo (talk) 01:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your interpretation of MOS:SEAOFBLUE has been explicitly discussed and rejected by multiple editors. If you strongly believe that the previous discussion came to an erroneous conclusion or doesn't represent a consensus, you're welcome to open another discussion. But until then your edits are in clear violation of documented consensus and are thus disruptive so please stop. ElKevbo (talk) 03:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi ElKevbo, the discussion I believe you're referring to was specific to the infobox template, not the text - please correct me if you're thinking of a different conversation. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's the conversation I'm recalling. The context is a bit different but the rationale is the same.
Thanks ElKevbo, that's appreciated. Given the specificity of that context, I wouldn't agree the rationales given there make sense here - there are so many more options for different ways to present information when you have the flexibility of extended text in which to do so. Is there an approach that would be more acceptable to you? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's absolutely critical that governance and basic institutional type be included and linked in the lede sentence of an encyclopedia article about a US college or university. Those facts are as foundational and fundamental as they get for a sentence that introduces readers to the institution.
As always, you're welcome to open a discussion in a different venue to get opinions from other editors. WT:UNI would be particularly appropriate. ElKevbo (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Historically black university" and "historically black college" are phrases similar to "liberal arts college" which aren't typically preceded by a conjunction when another adjective is also used in the same sentence. I'm not a linguist so I can't explain exactly why formal (American?) English does this. ElKevbo (talk) 02:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't say for certain without having seen all other possible formulations but probably not. The current formulation certainly seems like the most straight-forward way to go. ElKevbo (talk) 02:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there is anything you think I can do to overcome the lack of movement at FAR please let me know what this might be. Thanks for your good work there. BenMacDui13:39, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ben MacDui, I've left a talk-page note for the most recent commenter to revisit. Other than that, you can try reaching out to WikiProjects/active editors in the area, as long as your messaging is neutral. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi SafariScribe, unfortunately it may be archived anyway since it hasn't yet picked up any general support. Wrt to the image review, could you clarify where specifically that mural is located? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:52, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it will be easily archived. I have invited more editors who can help out. However, the image (mural) has been removed by me for the sake the review. I believe other images are good to go, and the review needs you support. Since they say, when a problem is somewhat blocking others, remove it speedily; that I have done. Safari ScribeEdits!Talk!15:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a question about Haruma Miura and I know we briefly talked about this before. The infobox template states "Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability; It should not be filled in for unremarkable deaths such as those from old age or routine illness." He did not die from old age or routine illness. His death was compared to Kim Jong-hyun, Sulli, and Goo Hara as stated in this article due to all of them being around the same age dying from the same cause within a span of a few years of one another, as well as discussions as to why this was so. Also, those three I mentioned also have a cause of death listed (as well as several other celebrities like Sayaka Kanda, so I'm not sure why Miura can't have it too. lullabying (talk) 17:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi lullabying, while it was not related to old age or routine illness, it also does not appear to be significant for his notability. I have no objection to looking at removing it elsewhere, but its existence elsewhere does not support inclusion here per WP:OTHERCONTENT. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]