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The result was Delete. Some info may be useful some somewhere, not clear from the discussion. So I'll move it under Star Fleet Universe/Lyran and keep it there for a week or so before actuallly deleting. (similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Interstellar Concordium (2nd nomination)) - Nabla (talk) 13:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lyran[edit]

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This is technically the second nomination, as there was a vfd in october 2004. The result of that debate was "keep, or maybe merge somewhere". The article is about a fictional felinoid race in the Star Fleet Universe, which in turn is some sort of offshoot from the Star Trek fictional universe. This race is in control of the "Lyran Star Empire", which was deleted in another afd, and an offshoot of this Star Empire called the "Lyran Democratic Republic", which too was deleted in yet another afd. I think that while Star Fleet Universe may be notable, a race within it is certainly not - and unsurprisingly, there are no significant coverage in reliable third party sources that are independent of the subject to be found. If it has to exist, it would probably be better off with a deletion anyways. Jobjörn (talk) 16:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I nominated another similar article in the same fictional universe: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Interstellar Concordium (2nd nomination) Jobjörn (talk) 22:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge it and it's fellow SFB races into one article. Use in both SFB and Starfleet Command probably makes it notable. A number of fairly trivial mentions here and 11,000 Ghits here imply notability, but not enough for a single article on the race IMO (unless someone can find something more). Hobit (talk) 20:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge OR redirect to Alpha Octant which contains information on the races/factions in the Star Fleet universe. -- saberwyn 22:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, Alpha Octant contains information on the races/factions in the Alpha Octant. I'd rather see the creation of List of races and factions in the Star Fleet Universe and the deletion of both Alpha Octant and Omega Octant (but I will wait with proposing the deletion of these two until this afd and this one are closed (and of course I'll only proceed if the result is delete/merge/redirect)). Jobjörn (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Cool. I know nothing about the Star Fleet Universe (Star Trek yes, Star Fleet no) and don't actually care what happens to this. I just thought Alpha Octant was a suitable redirect target. -- saberwyn 22:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletion discussions. —Gavin Collins (talk) 10:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as this article's content is almost exclusively made up of in universe plot summary, and has no primary or reliable secondary sources to demonstrate the notability outside the role playing game from which this fictional confederation is derived. This article belongs on a fansite, not Wikipedia. --Gavin Collins (talk) 10:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete; no secondary sources, so fails to meet WP:N. Indeed, there are sources at all, so it's not verifiable and as such the content is not even suitable for a spinout. Percy Snoodle (talk) 11:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please recall that _topics_ need to meet WP:N, not articles. There seem to be sources (see above), just not very good ones. But probably enough between all the different races.... Hobit (talk) 03:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I do recall that. The topic of this article is "Lyrans", and that fails WP:N and so the article on that topic should be deleted. There are no sources in the article, so the content all fails WP:V and shouldn't be merged. Percy Snoodle (talk) 06:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete — do not merge; even a merge would necessitate some degree of notability which has not been demonstrated. Maybe include in a List of fictional felinoid races in fictional Star Trek-derived universes. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete We don't need an article on fictional Star Fleet Universe! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 13:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]