The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. overrulling the relistingas thi has been around two weeks already and we stilll don't have any reliable evidence what or where this place is. Spartaz ^Humbug! 11:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maf, Shamkir

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Contents of article: Maf is a village in the Shamkir Rayon of Azerbaijan. It is suspected that this village has undergone a name change or no longer exists, as no Azerbaijani website mentions it under this name. No sources given other than this, nor could I find any in Google (granted, I don't understand Azerbaijani so that doesn't necessarily mean anything). Unless there's a policy that anything found on GEOnet Names Server is considered verified and notable by default, I'd say let's delete this. Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 18:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC) Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 18:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~redirect per nom. UltraMagnus^speak 20:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 21:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the air photos, it looks like the settlement at the coordinates given in the article could more accurately be described as a district or neighbourhood of Şəmkir (spelled "Sämkir" on some maps). The usual practice for these types of places is to incorporate them in the article about the main settlement unless and until there is more than a stub amount of encyclopaedic coverage about them. So normally I would say to merge, but there is no content to merge and a question mark over the verifiability of the name, so this would not be appropriate. I am going to recommend therefore redirect to Şəmkir if the name can be verified, otherwise delete. Thryduulf (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

just opened it on google earth, I agree --UltraMagnus^speak 12:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@all: Just to be clear, when nominating this, I didn't mean to imply that no settlement exists at the coordinates given in the article (although I admit I didn't look it up on Google Earth). My point was that if the name doesn't exist, it shouldn't be used, not even for a redirect. Of course, if someone can come up with a good source for the name, that's another matter completely. But so far, no one has, so redirect is not an alternative. Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 16:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Şəmkir per Thryduulf. GlassCobra 16:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- GlassCobra, note that Thryduulf's vote for the article in its current state is "delete", not "redirect". Musing about what to do with the article if it was expanded and properly sourced is a waste of time. Of course, if it was verified, expanded and well-written, we might even say "keep" or "nominate for FA". But this simply doesn't belong in an AfD discussion. Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 09:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: I've relisted this debate because none of the participants voting "keep" have verified that Maf, Shamkir exists and should be redirected to Şəmkir. Cunard (talk) 22:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep listed at GEOnames name server shows a reliable source indicating its (perhaps, now former) existence, what source indicates that it never did exist under this name as per nom? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:11, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Per my nom, I can't judge the reliability of GEOnames - if it's considered infallible by default, I stand corrected. Other than that, your statement is absurd: Sources have to be provided to demonstrate the existence, not the non-existence, of something. What source indicates that "Gjdflsvnsdftykvndriweol" never did exist? Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 09:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment searching for "Maf, Sämkir" and "Maf, Şəmkir" produces many hundreds of google hits. Most of these are auto-generated listings and so do not provide any information about the place, but repeating the same searches with "Maf" replaced with a string that is not the name of a settlement in Shamkir (e.g. "Präf") does not give the same results. I don't know where these sites get their database of names and coordinates from, but it is not impossible that it is also GEOnames. Thryduulf (talk) 12:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - "many hundreds of google hits"? Strange. I get exactly 14 for "Maf, Şəmkir" (all, without a single exception, on tixik.com) and 15 for "Maf, Sämkir" (all with automatically generated contents, like weather, prayer times and "Find Maf Samkir Azerbaijan Employment"). Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 14:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisted for the final time to generate discussion about whether the existence of Maf, Shamkir can be verified. Cunard (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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