Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

Information on the process[edit]

What may be nominated for deletion here:

  • Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText: and the various Talk: namespaces
  • Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
  • Pages in the File namespace that have a local description page but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue)
  • Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion[edit]

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace
  • If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with ((db-userreq)) or ((db-u1)). If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?
  • Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace
  • Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding ((subst:Uw-userpage)) ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using ((db-userreq)).
  • Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the ((subst:welcome)) or ((subst:welcomeg)) template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first.
  • Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion.
  • User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion.
  • Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages
  • Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as ((historical)) or redirecting it somewhere.
  • Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages
  • It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as ((WikiProject status|inactive)), redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable.
  • WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as ((historical)); reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication.
  • Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion
  • Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems.
  • Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using ((db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move)). Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD
  • Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit]

How to list pages for deletion[edit]

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

I.
Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

((mfd|1=((subst:FULLPAGENAME))))
for a second or subsequent nomination use ((mfdx|2nd))

or

((mfd|GroupName))
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.
If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use ((subst:mfd-inline)) so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.
Use ((subst:mfd-inline|GroupName)) for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages.
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase
    Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
  • Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
  • Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
  • Save the page
II.
Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

  • Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
  • Insert this text:
((subst:mfd2| pg=((subst:#titleparts:((subst:PAGENAME))||2))| text=Reason why the page should be deleted)) ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.
  • Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
  • Please use an edit summary such as
    Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a ((subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>)) template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
  • Save the page.
III.
Add a line to MfD.

Follow   this edit link   and at the top of the list add a line:

((subst:mfd3| pg=PageName))
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".
  • Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
    Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
  • If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add
((priorxfd|PageName))
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.
  • If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
    For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add

    ((subst:mfd notice|PageName)) ~~~~

    to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as

    Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
  • If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
  • If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions[edit]

XFD backlog
V Mar Apr May Jun Total
CfD 0 6 17 61 84
TfD 0 0 2 4 6
MfD 0 0 1 4 5
FfD 0 0 0 2 2
RfD 0 0 10 28 38
AfD 0 0 0 0 0

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Archived discussions[edit]

A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions[edit]

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

June 15, 2024

Draft:Barbara Rosemary Grant

Draft:Barbara Rosemary Grant (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Subject is already covered under Peter and Rosemary Grant. As they worked together, it seems unlikely that there would be much to add to a separate article that couldn't be added to their joint article. Snowman304|talk 18:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 14, 2024

User:Dull bull/sandbox

User:Dull bull/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This is a non-obvious hoax. A naïve Google search finds no evidence that Gatorade was invented by Sean Simms. Our article shows that it was invented by Robert Cade and others. There is a Sean Simms who played American football and became an actor, and does not appear to have been associated with Gatorade. There is no evidence that any Sean Simms played for the New York Yankees. If this were not invented, it would be an unreferenced biography of a living person, which is not permitted but could be ignored in a sandbox. As it is, this is a non-obvious hoax. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Piccadilly

Wikipedia:Piccadilly (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:NOTSOCIALMEDIA. WikiProjects are "advertised" at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals, and there's already places for discussing the topics listed, such as WP:TH, WP:HD, and WP:VP. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 10:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, WPPicadilly is NOT a help desk. As i stated, its a place to advertise pages and wikiprojects. and you said advertised in quotation, thus it is not really that elligble to be deleted. WPPicadilly is only in its early stages too. Snipertron12 Talk 11:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would advertising pages be needed? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 12:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some pages dont get enough attention and sometimes are even overlooked by wikiprojects. Snipertron12 Talk 12:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You know what. Im changing the premise of WPPicadilly. Snipertron12 Talk 12:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't that what Wikipedia:Articles for improvement is for? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 12:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will look at the article when im at home because im on a school computer that gets filtered alot. Snipertron12 Talk 12:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. The diffrence from Articles for improvement and Picadilly is that AFI is focusing on ranked articles which are lengthy. Piccadilly aims on new pages/stubs/drafts. Snipertron12 Talk 16:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added a notice to prevent confusion. Snipertron12 Talk 12:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think User:Snipertron12 is trying to make Wikipedia:Piccadilly a Wikiproject. Ned1a Wanna talk? 14:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please read Wikipedia:Piccadilly#EXPLANATION. - Snipertron12 Talk 18:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So my understanding of WPPicadilly is that it's meant to bring attention to brand-new, especially small articles for the purpose of.... Jumpstarting their growth?
My understanding of Wikipedia is that articles are not meant to grow progressively in perpetuity, but only until all the information about their topic has been covered. So articles where there isn't much to say about the topic are classified as "stubs" because that is the maximum amount of information that is available, verifiable, notable, etc.
Also, if someone has taken it upon themselves to create an article (and "raise" it until it's a full article, so to speak), then why couldn't they just ask for advice on Teahouse or have it listed in other areas of Wikipedia for improvement? It seems like there's already systems in place for people to help jumpstart growth in their article. Teahouse gets plenty of exposure, so if people are generally unable or unwilling to help, it is likely due to a lack of knowledge or of interest, neither of which is solvable through the mechanisms of Wikipedia. The only real way to get around this is by reaching out to individuals you already know are interested, whether they're on wikipedia or not. If it's for general formatting, etc. then posing it as specific questions is more likely to get people interested in helping as opposed to asking for "general feedback/help". Specific questions generally win out over general questions in most situations.
So while this could be useful for a very small number of people just getting started on articles about very in-depth topics with a lot of information to cover, but which not many people are interested in (which likely doesn't happen very often I believe), and I think it's commendable to try and help out people in any context, it seems that WPPicadilly is ultimately useless.
WPPicadilly also seems like a user trying to take things into their own hands because they felt slighted. While an understandable feeling, actions taken for this reason are usually not productive.
To be quite honest, this entire situation just reminds me of this meme. Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 04:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 13, 2024

User:Wesalius/model

User:Wesalius/model (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

The predicted date for reaching 7 million articles will likely be inaccurate. Also, it will just keep changing every day, so we will never know exactly when Wikipedia will reach 7 million articles. So, such predictions are pointless and this user subpage (transcluded at User:Wbm1058) should be deleted. GTrang (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 12, 2024

Draft:2020 Carolina Panthers Schedule With Time And Date

Draft:2020 Carolina Panthers Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 4 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:2020 Appalachian State Mountaineers Schedule With Time And Date

Draft:2020 Appalachian State Mountaineers Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 3 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:2020 All Teams Schedule With Time And Date

Draft:2020 All Teams Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 2 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:2020 Charlotte 49ers Schedule With Time And Date

Draft:2020 Charlotte 49ers Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 1 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 9, 2024

Draft:Colourblocks

Draft:Colourblocks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Fails WP:GNG, has been draftified for like a couple years and there is no sign in improving the article to be put back in mainspace. 48JCL TALK 00:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. None of that is a reason for deletion. Standard AfC processes suffice. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old business[edit]


June 8, 2024

Wikipedia:Don't dive thinking that the referee won't notice

Wikipedia:Don't dive thinking that the referee won't notice (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

I'm not sure this is something we need; I'm not even sure this is something I understand, and I don't see how this is really relevant to Wikipedia editing. The basic setup is already difficult: what does diving have to do with whether you tackled someone earlier on or not? Drmies (talk) 20:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 6, 2024

User:Freavene

User:Freavene (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

I think this is quite possibly attack-esque, although I don't feel it's bad enough for csd. Gaismagorm (talk) 21:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok the attack text was removed, so honestly withdrawn Gaismagorm (talk) 23:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note to admin or oversight if possible, remove page history due to kind of being a personal attack 48JCL TALK 02:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Revdel. seems like a personal attack. Per my understanding of WP:RD5, MfD has the authority to Revdel, so let's do it. I'm not opposed to oversight if a functionary thinks it's necessary but, to me, it seems a bit excessive. Nickps (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:9t5 User Page Contest

Wikipedia:9t5 User Page Contest (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Because of WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK, and because the page does not meet any of the criteria listed as appropriate under Wikipedia:Project namespace#Pages within project namespace. Possibly also because of WP:NOTHERE, as it seems to provide monetary incentives for users to do something else using Wikipedia's platform other than improve the encyclopedia. Maybe a request at some central forum to create something like this and demonstrate community support for it might overcome some of these objections, but I don't know that this is supportable coming from an individual initiative. If this were commonly replicated by other users, or even if this one initiative attracted wide participation it seems like it could hurt the goal of the encyclopedia. Mathglot (talk) 15:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 3, 2024

User:Rawen Ab/Userboxes/Google Maps Local Guide

User:Rawen Ab/Userboxes/Google Maps Local Guide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This is not a userbox, and it is not serving any purpose in userspace. I will remove it from its listing at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Internet/Websites. Are there grounds for uncontroversial deletion? TNstingray (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 6, 2024

Draft:Amina Hassan Sheikh

Draft:Amina Hassan Sheikh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

The BLP is already in the main NS at Amina Hassan. This draft lacks citations and contains WP:OR. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History merge. User:Saqib mistates the history. The draft was already there first. Awesimf (talk · contribs) gets the new article credit, and should not have their contribution history deleted. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about which page was created first, it's about which one aligns with WP:V. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. Failing WP:V is not a deletion reason, especially not now that you have found sources. You should have improved the draft, not create a content fork. Which page was created first is important. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only found out about this draft yesterday. If I'd known earlier, I would've definitely worked on improving it. Further, there's WP:OR and WP:PROMO content in there which it's a clear violation of WP:BLP. Anyway, I don't have strong feelings about it. The closing admin can do whatever they want with it. I'm not concerned about getting credit for merely creating a BLP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 09:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t see a justification to revdelete anything if it was already in the history. So I support a history merge to fix the accidental fork, even if it is a small thing. Redirecting the draft to the article is a middle solution. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
History merge the first 5 revisions, from 17 March 2024. Delete the later revisions. There is then no overlapping history problem. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closed discussions[edit]

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates