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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

• If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
• If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
• If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
• Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion[edit]

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

• Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
• Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
• Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD[edit]

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• WP:RGUIDE

• The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
• Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
• If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
• Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
• RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
• Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
• In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?[edit]

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history)

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• WP:RFD#HARMFUL
• WP:RFD?

Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes and Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving over a redirect

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

• a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
• if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting[edit]

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• WP:RFD#DELETE

See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion § Redirects

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
10. Shortcut

    • WP:RETURNTORED
    If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting[edit]

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• WP:RFD#KEEP

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the ((R from misspelling)) template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects[edit]

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• WP:RNEUTRAL

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with ((R from non-neutral name)).

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes[edit]

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion[edit]

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• WP:RFDHOWTO

STEP I.	Tag the redirect(s).   Enter ((subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter )) at the very end of the page. Does this look too complicated? Try this semi-automated process instead: (note only confirmed users can use this) Enable Twinkle in the Gadgets tab of your preferences. Go back to the redirect page, and choose "XFD" from the new Twinkle menu. Fill in the form and submit it. Please do not mark the edit as minor (m). Please include in the edit summary the phrase: Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]. Save the page ("Publish changes"). If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page. If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated.
STEP II.	List the entry on RfD.  Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries. Enter this text below the date heading: ((subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.)) ~~~~ For this template: Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=. Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=). Please use an edit summary such as: Nominating [[RedirectName]] (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating). To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects: ((subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1)) ((subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2)) ((subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.)) ~~~~ If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add ((Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD)) directly after the rfd2 template. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a ((subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>)) template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.	Notify users.   It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template ((subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName)) ~~~~ may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

• Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes. Please purge this page to view the most recent changes.

June 18

Epsilon Eridani c

• Epsilon Eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Epsilon eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target section does not mention Epsilon Eridani c. Also, the former section named "Planet c" was removed from the target article in Special:Diff/1154409029 (as shown in the "Broken anchors" note at Talk:List of nearest stars). GTrang (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Papa Emeritus 2

• Papa Emeritus 2 → Tobias Forge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Papa Emeritus redirects to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus section and already covers Papa Emeritus II.

I wonder if the initially capitalized redirect contradicts with Papa emeritus (Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus. Either way, the use of "2" makes it seem as though it does not/could not refer to Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus per Steel1943. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• If this is retargeted, Papa Emeritus II and Papa Emeritus III should probably also be retargeted. Might be worth adding both these (and possibly Papa Emeritus) to this discussion. Alternatively, if it seems to be uncontroversial where these should all point, they can be retargeted without any RFD discussion. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that both targets (Tobias Forge#Ghost, which is what this should be refined to if Kept, and Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus) discuss Tobias's role as the Papa Emeritus character in *all* incarnations of the character-- Papa Emeritus I, II, III, 0, and IV. That said, I'm leaning towards Refine for this specific redirect; the incarnation Papa Emeritus II does get a little more discussion in Tobias's article compared to Ghost's article.

Either way, I do think the two sections need to be hatnoted together-- they talk about the same thing, so they should get a "See also" connecting them. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Botswanan

• Botswanan → Botswana  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It should redirect to Motswana. Not sure why this got reverted, the authority is wikitionary or however you spell it. Botswanan is not a proper word. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] OK I think I’ve made my point. 48JCL 01:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oops wrong place 48JCL 01:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @48JCL: I have reverted your bold retarget and restored the redirect with the RfD tag as nominated to allow for proper consensus to be reached on where to target this. As stated at WP:RFD, please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT in Russia

• LGBT in Russia → LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Shouldn't it target to a specific page and then use a template to indicate "For other uses, see LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)"? Also, this disambiguation feels strange to me, LGBT in Brazil points to LGBT rights in Brazil. LGBT in the United States points to LGBT people in the United States, but we don't have a LGBT people in Russia. So retarget to LGBT rights in Russia? If the target is kept, we should start disambiguating countries that have history, rights, people, and culture with "LGBT in [country]". --MikutoH ^talk! 00:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sdn Bhd

• Sdn Bhd → Private company limited by shares  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Sendirian Berhad → Private company limited by shares  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in article Isla🏳️‍⚧ 00:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment added Sendirian Berhad to this nomination (the expansion of the abbreviation sdn bhd, which points to the same target). Best course of action here might be to add a mention at some existing Malaysia-specific article (e.g. Companies Commission of Malaysia) where it could fit as a subtopic, and retarget there temporarily as a ((R with possibilities)). The current target is extremely UK-specific. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD

• Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD → Wikipedia:WikiProject Open/Open access task force/Open Access File of the Day  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Cross namespace redirect that existed for 22 minutes. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Template → Wikipedia CNRs are uncommon but only problematic if transcluding the target would be harmful in some way (or it conflicts with something else). In this case it's not harmful (transclusion works fine) and it doesn't appear to be in the way of anything else. That said it isn't transcluded anywhere and I can't think of a reason why it would be transcluded (unlike ((OAFD))). Ultimately I think I'm neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)

• Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale) → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Since this is redirects for discussion and not deletion, when was the last time Frank Blackmore was mentioned here or in List of former Emmerdale characters? (in other words, not currently mentioned at target) Not only that, it was also a section link and now its broken. I wondered what had happened to it. Could this be retargeted to Daniel Coll where Frank Blackmore is mentioned?

I am also nominating DI Frank Blackmore for the exact same reason. (As a side note, I can't believe most of my edits today are to do with Emmerdale, where you normally sea me being involved with UK railways and video game related topics) JuniperChill (talk) 22:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emmerdale Character list (NEW)

• Emmerdale Character list (NEW) → List of Emmerdale characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A very unlikely search/link term considering that it clearly violates the capitalization rules. I have (or will have) just created the proper 'Emmerdale character list (new)' redirect. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LGBTZ

• LGBTZ → LGBT  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article, did not find any reliable sources using the term. मल्ल (talk) 20:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The Z, according to edit history and hinted at by the non-neutral tag, is meant to signify "Zoophilia". This was apparently made as a redirect with the excuse that the redirect LGBTP (similarly lumping pedophilia in with the LGBT) existed at the time. That redirect just got deleted, and unlike that one-- where the needle swung between outright deletion and retargeting-- there's no handy redirect target like LGBT grooming conspiracy theory or Anti-LGBT rhetoric#Conflation with pedophilia that it could hypothetically be retargeted to. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per Lunamann. Raladic (talk) 21:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - Per above. The LGBT community doesn't tolerate beastiality. Ahri Boy (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I thought it was part of the intentional/joke misspelling LGBTXYZ, which would have no meaning, however this is supposed to be about zoophilia, which is an anti-LGBT rhetoric. But even then, XYZ is also used by anti-LGBT. --MikutoH ^talk! 00:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per above arguments. BugGhost🪲👻 08:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, perhaps even speedy. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

unlike p, which someone blessed with innocence could mistake for standing for "pansexual", there's just no excuse for z. speedy delete, and do not daftify cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emigration from North Korea

• Emigration from North Korea → North Korean defectors  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This may refer to multiple topics. I propose to retarget it to Category:North Korean diaspora. GZWDer (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. The pages included in the category more throughly covers the topic. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget, but to Korean diaspora, instead, to avoid creating an unnecessary WP:CNR. - Eureka Lott 10:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Historic church

• Historic church → Historic church of Cúcuta  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Anyone using this term is likely looking for the general topic of historic church buildings rather than this specific church. Historic building is itself a redirect to List of heritage registers. I'm ambivalent regarding whether this redirect should also point there or just be deleted. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 17:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't keep as is This is a ((R from move)), the target article was created at this title and stayed there for 7 weeks but that was back in 2006. While it will surprised nobody to learn that "historic church" appears in many, many articles it surprised me to learn that the redirect and its target are the only times it appears in the title of pages in the article namespace. I'm honestly torn between retargetting to the list of heritage registers (on the grounds that it's better to keep the revision history where we can, and that is a better target than the current one) or deleted (on the basis that it's too generic a title to be a good disambig and the heritage registers list is two steps removed from the search term so not the most helpful). I don't support keeping it as it is, but that's about the only thing I'm sure of. Thryduulf (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment -- History of the church exists (as a redirect to History of the Church). Historical church does not exist. Church history and Church History both exist, but as separate pages! — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 19:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Agree with Thryduulf that this is too vague to be kept as is. Delete or retarget to List of oldest church buildings, which is the target of Oldest church. Jay 💬 14:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)

• The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album) → The Hollies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I can't find anything in Enwiki about a 1968 album, here, or at The Hollies discography (which in any case would be a better target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Hollies' Greatest, a 1968 Greatest Hits album by The Hollies that was released in Germany. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per Thryduulf - looks like that's the intended article BugGhost🪲👻 09:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Hollies' Greatest is a British album released by Parlophone. Per the edit history, the West German album was released by Hansa Records. The track listings are also different, which all but confirms these are different pressings. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I can't find any non–user generated sources, but I'm fairly certain that the West German album and Hollies' Greatest are in fact separate (they seem to have separate covers for one), so that is not a good retargeting option. Retargeting to the discography would be a good option if it was on there, but it's not, and I know too little about the area to properly search for sources to add it to the discography. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GWR network

• GWR network → Great Western Railway  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Where could this possibly lead to? The original GWR (current target), the modern one, GWR (disambiguation), Great Western Railway (disambiguation). Who knows... Otherwise, it can be deleted since its too ambiguaious JuniperChill (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• This is a plausible search term that could refer to the network of multiple of the railway companies listed at Great Western Railway (disambiguation), possibly (but I don't know how likely) the network of flights operated by Aura Airlines and possibly the radio network of GWR Group. Either retargeting to the existing Great Western Railway (disambiguation) with a hatnote to one or both the other two, or a separate disambig page are the best for readers here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think we should include Aura Airlines as while that is the ICAO airline code, I don't think anyone refers it to that (and also a relatively obscure airline), just as the code for Greater Anglia is officially (de jure) LE, but it's most commonly (de facto) shortened to GA instead. Maybe retarget to GWR instead? Since idk what should happen, we should wait for other users to see. JuniperChill (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There are only two entries on the GWR page that could plausibly have networks and which do not appear on Great Western Railway (disambiguation) (the airline and the media group), but there are multiple railways that have networks which are listed on the longer-titled dab page but not at GWR. So if a separate dab page is not the chosen outcome, Great Western Railway (disambiguation) is, in my opinion, a better target than GWR. Obviously there is no need to take action before other people have had a chance to express their opinions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I (the nom) would Retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation) then. With a hatnote saying:

  ((redirect|GWR network|the airline with the ICAO code|Aura Airlines|the radio network|GWR Group)) JuniperChill (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@JuniperChill: We don't put hatnotes in disambiguation pages. Jay 💬 15:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean we don't, but don't we *do* have See Also sections? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing @Jay / @Lunamann if consensus is to retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation0. JuniperChill (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elephant population

• Elephant population → Elephant#Status  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Procedural nomination for speedy deletion candidate, as requested at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 17. jp×g🗯️ 03:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Simple search term leads to a section that has detailed information about the search term. This is textbook redirect usage. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Ca. Someone searching for "Elephant population" which is unquestionably something people will search Wikipedia for, will find the information at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• List of elephant species by population is a possible retarget. —Cryptic 14:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added a see-also link to that page at the current target as it's relevant wherever this targets. I'm happy with either target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as a very reasonable search term. Either the current target or List of elephant species by population is acceptable. Frank Anchor 22:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of elephant species by population, as redirects to more specific pages are usually preferable to redirects to sections of more general pages. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Retarget, Lean Keep - List of elephant species by population is in the section hatnote, which is why I'd lean towards just keeping it... but that link does provide more information than the section, so I can see the argument for just skipping straight to the point. Either way is fine by me, to be honest, and my preference for keep is VERY slight. Fieari (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: If it goes to the list, someone will see "populations of Proboscidean species" and could get very confused, whereas the prose and elephant pictures under the Status section are clearly relevant. Also I would add "R with possibilities" as I could see the section expanding and describing the individual populations with prose - the "notes" column in the list article is quite detailed. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed Proboscidean to elephant, which matches the title. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to List of elephant species by population, as per Chaotic Enby. If a user is searching for elephant population, give 'em elephant population BugGhost🪲👻 17:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of elephant species by population per Bugghost. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Long term, retargeting to List of elephant species by population is probably more helpful. There's currently little body text, but there probably should be more, and the only reason I see to prefer Elephant#Status at this moment is that it provides more information. The fix to that is adding information to the list article; I'd do it myself if I had any understanding of the subject, and I may tackle it anyway if nobody else does (no promises, though). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tom (programming language)

• Tom (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• TOM (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• TOM computer language → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• TOM programming language → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Tom and List of programming languages only lists one programming language called Tom or TOM – Tom (pattern matching language) – so I suggest retarget, delete, delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget 1 and 2. Delete 2 Delete 3: per WhatamIdoing. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom. Daask (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget 1 and 2. TOM was originally an acronym meaning To One Matching, so "TOM" was the original capitalization and should not be deleted.[10] WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• 1) Retarget, 2) Retarget, 3) Delete per WhatamIdoing. Good catch. Daask (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment TOM (programming language) should not be deleted. It contains the early history of the proposed target. I have added ((Copied)) to both talk pages to indicate that. I have also added the ur-redirects TOM computer language and TOM programming language to this nomination. Their fate should be considered, too—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • My !vote would be to delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and retarget the other four to the proposed target.—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 17:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation). Also, move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), and target the other redirects there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and TOM computer language, Move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), Redirect the rest to Tom (programming language) and create TOM (computer language). I know that this is somewhat of a clusterfuck of actions, but

• Delete redirects due to TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) having consensus against redirects with parenthetical disambiguation and (disambiguation) and TOM computer language per WP:CONSISTENT with redirs such as C (computer language) and per WP:PANDORA.
• Move per Steel1943.
• Redirect the rest per above.
• Create TOM (computer language) per my reasoning for deleting TOM computer language.

mwwv ^converse∫_edits 16:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PANDORA should not be used; see user:Lunamann/Please, put Pandora back in the box

That said, support these actions; save for the citing of WP:PANDORA, all of this seems correct to me. (WP:CONSISTENT can support the deletion of TOM computer language on its own.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to note that the last discussion on double disambiguation that I know of (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 14#INTDABLINK of redirects from incomplete disambiguation) ended in no consensus, so unless things have changed without my knowledge and none of those redirects have been deleted since, there is not a consensus against double disambiguation. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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International Networking Working Group

• International Networking Working Group → International Network Working Group  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This article, which I created, uses an incorrect title. I moved it to the correct title but the redirect is not a name ever used in sources for this topic, so it's not a plausible alternative name that could justify a redirect. No articles link here. Propose deleting it to avoid confusion or it becoming a Wikipedia reflection on the Internet Whizz40 (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi

• 'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi → Zayn al-Din Omar Savaji  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I am not good at Islamic naming or there about but I can find any clue with this particular redirect. It is also a near close and unlikely when searched on web browsers. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• This might be the same person. An expert in Persian might help with https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/ابن_سهلان_ساوجی Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Here's the internal link version of that external link, fa:ابن_سهلان_ساوجی, since we can do that. Steel1943 (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• A good place to check for these kinds of things is OCLC. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  
• Delete as confusing, since there's no evident connection between the redirect and its target, and we don't even know if both are the same person. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I do not know any Arabic nor Arabic naming conventions, but the two names might refer to the same person. Encyclopædia Iranica lists him as EBN SAHLĀN SĀVAJĪ, Qāżī ZAYN-AL-DĪN ʿOMAR. The two names identify the same father and have similar first names (Omar and ʿUmar). Ca ^{talk to me!} 07:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It isn't Arabic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    My mistake, I got tripped up by the Arabic script, which apparently Persian uses. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia

• Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia → Battle of Donbas (2022)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Editor-coined term for a since-merged series of events. Not in usage anywhere outside of Wikipedia mirrors. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 21:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support This is not a named event nor are the events that the former article referred to independently notable. No good reason to keep this. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note that this has prior article history and is a ((R from merge)). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep to preserve history, as content from the page continues to exist at the current target. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic

• User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic → Template:Userbox Yuri fanatic  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Same as Gay Communist Anime Userbox redirect Ahri Boy (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime

• User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime → Template:User Global Gay Communist Anime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unused user subpage Ahri Boy (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magburn

• Magburn → List of generation IV Pokémon#Magmortar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

fan speculation for its english name, on the same vein as laxbe which i nominated a little under (or was it over?) a month ago. unlike laxbe, i found a few results, but they pretty solidly established this as a fan name that was dropped in favor of its admittedly inferior official name cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep if a reference to this as a fan-name is added. If it has a few results it seems to be a decently plausible search target, however niche. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Science Update

• Science Update → American Association for the Advancement of Science  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be related to a website called Science Update. Their about page states that they are an "re-incarnation" of an AAAS-produced radio show of the same name. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Few minutes of searching around on old newspapers in newspapers.com did not give anything substantial, though I did find a Boston Globe Issue. With the Common Sense Media source, a mention might be able to be added. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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P♯

• P♯ → P  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous target P Sharp was PRODded. No mention of anything related to P♯ in the current target. Either delete or retarget to ♯P. Nickps (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The redirect should have been ((Db-redirnone))-ed after its original target was deleted ... if it weren't for a bot retargeting the redirect after the deleted article was converted to a redirect prior to being restored and deleted anyways. Steel1943 (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Also, do not retarget to ♯P. For what it's worth, I do not believe this is a likely or helpful misspelling of "♯P", given that the nominated redirect has already been proven to mean something specific, given the nominated redirect had a valid target with a title match previously. Steel1943 (talk) 12:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to #P as, at the very least, a plausible typo. Frank Anchor 10:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to neutral based on analysis by Nickps below showing much more difference between P# and #P that I had previously thought. Frank Anchor 20:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I'm changing my !vote to delete per Steel. P♯ and ♯P are different things and P_♯ and P^♯ have some uses in math as well. Any potential for confusion is not worth it. Nickps (talk) 13:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Glory Hallelujah

• Glory Hallelujah → England Keep My Bones  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Fairly common phrase (I thought of Battle Hymn of the Republic); redirect to this relatively obscure song would likely be surprising. May merit a disambig page instead. Rusalkii (talk) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate per nom. There appear to be several songs with this title in addition to those songs which simply include the phrase in their lyrics. Several uses of this phrase on enwiki. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Battle Hymn of the Republic (most likely the primary topic), or disambiguate if there are other well-known songs I'm missing. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Battle Hymn of the Republic as WP:PTOPIC. Many things may use the phrase, but few have the notability or association that this one does. Fieari (talk) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget as per Fieari and Chaotic Enby. BugGhost🪲👻 16:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION. Searches show that there are a bunch of other songs with this title. See Danny Brooks, Hi-Fi Revival, Darrel Petties, Rico Rodriguez discography, Polly Scattergood, West Coast vs. Wessex, and possibly others. - Eureka Lott 18:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate per the above. Cremastra (talk) 12:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Druisk

• Druisk → Kaunas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect is simply incorrect. It stems from a misinterpretation of a redirect in a paper encyclopedia printed over 100 years ago. Druysk is an agrotown in Vitebsk Oblast, Belarus, near Braslaw. It is situated over 200 km away from Kaunas, Lithuania. The mixup arose because the Jewish Encyclopedia (1906) contains the following entry:

DRUISK. See Kovno.

However, this just refers to the fact that Druysk belonged to the Kovno Governorate of the Russian Empire, an administrative division which covered a fairly large area, including Braslaw and its environs. For confirmation of this fact, one may consult this 1864 map of Kovno Governorate. Druysk (Друйскъ) is in fact the easternmost labelled locality on the whole map, found within the yellow-green (i.e., primarily Orthodox) region centered around Braslaw (Браславъ).

The Jewish Encyclopedia does this with other localities as well. For example, the entries for Dusyaty (Dusetos; Russian: Дусяты Dusyaty) and Eiragoly (Ariogala; Yiddish: אייראַגאָלע Eyragole) also redirect the reader to Kovno, and the entry for Eishishki (Eišiškės) points to Wilna.

What's even more confusing is the online version of the Jewish Encyclopedia hosted on StudyLight.org, cited in the previous RfD discussion, which includes full entries for these redirect entries that just transclude the content of the redirect target, without any indication that this is what's happening. Thus, the entry for Druisk is identical to the entry for Kovno, except for the header; the same applies to Eishishki and Wilna, and so forth.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, I would like to solidify the argument for deletion by showing that other written sources that talk about “Druisk” are in fact referring to the city in present-day Belarus and not using it as a synonym for Kaunas.

• Cholawsky, Shalom (1998). The Jews of Bielorussia During World War II. Routledge. ISBN 9057021935.

  "Druisk" is mentioned alongside other towns in Belarus (e.g. Braslav, Glebokie, Dolhinov) and eastern Lithuania near the Belarusian border (e.g. Swienciany, Podbrodzh). None of these locations are near Kaunas.

• Petronis, Vytautas (2007). Constructing Lithuania: Ethnic Mapping in Tsarist Russia, Ca. 1800-1914. Stockholm University. ISBN 978-91-89315-78-5.

  “Druisk” is described as being on the Dvina River, in the Vitebsk province. Mostly accurate, but the author (or I) might be slightly confused. Druysk is not directly on the Dvina, which actually forms the border between the nearby towns of Druya, Belarus and Piedruja, Latvia. The Dvina is approximately 10 km from Druysk. In fact, the place-names Druya, Druysk, and Piedruja all refer to the Druya/Druyka tributary of the Dvina. In any case, nothing to do with the city of Kaunas.

• Lokotko, Aleksandr; et al. (2013). Tourist Mosaic of Belarus. Belaruskaya navuka. ISBN 978-5-457-63663-7.

  “Druisk” is described as being in the region of Braslaw, listed alongside other nearby Belarusian localities such as Opsa and Ukolsk. Again, this description definitely does not apply to Kaunas.

By the way, in the course of researching this, I also noticed that Eiragoly → Eiguliai is probably another incorrect redirect. As mentioned above, this refers to Ariogala (here's a source to support the identification), not the Eiguliai neighborhood of Kaunas whose name is pretty different anyway. I hypothesize that the author of this redirect also created it based on the Jewish Encyclopedia, but in that case tried to make sense of it by finding a part of Kaunas with a somewhat similar name.

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• Very thorough, I'm certainly convinced. Druisk should ideally redirect to an article about Druysk if/when created. – Ploni^💬  00:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discrimination in Nova Scotia

• Discrimination in Nova Scotia → Medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from the general to the specific, the redirect is a much wider topic than the target. Fram (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, was just about to nominate them for deletion myself. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I made a mistake then feel free to delete, I'm not contesting the redirect deletion. --MrHaligonian (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, nothing to do with medical misconduct scandals implied from title BugGhost🪲👻 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bullying in Nova Scotia

• Bullying in Nova Scotia → Medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from the general to the specific, the redirect is a much wider topic than the target. Fram (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I made a mistake then feel free to delete, I'm not contesting the redirect deletion. --MrHaligonian (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harassment in Nova Scotia

• Harassment in Nova Scotia → Medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from the general to the specific, the redirect is a much wider topic than the target. Fram (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I made a mistake then feel free to delete, I'm not contesting the redirect deletion. --MrHaligonian (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S.K. Umesh (Retired SP)

• S.K. Umesh (Retired SP) → SK Umesh  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Retired SP" is not a reasonable unnecessary disambiguator. —Alalch E. 10:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English Constitution Party

• English Constitution Party → 2022 Southend West by-election#Results  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target has no information about this organisation Kevin McE (talk) 07:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It has the information that it has stood in at least one UK Parliamentary election. JASpencer (talk) 07:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the link can only be found in other places where it has stood/is standing in an election. One learns absolutely nothing about the party, its history, its policies or its leadership by following the link: it is an apparent link to details that are not provided. JASpencer is the user who created the redirect. Kevin McE (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per WP:RETURNTORED - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. BugGhost🪲👻 13:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per BugGhost, better to keep it as a red link for an article to be written in the future. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

google.bb

• Google.bb → Google Search  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Google.co.bb → Google Search  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Tagged by CaribDigita in May but not correctly nominated. According to him, Can be deleted, site not online.. --MikutoH ^talk! 00:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Were these ever domains used by Google? If so, keep, if not, delete. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No mention of those links in Google/DDG, and bb isn't even a valid top-level domain. Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment .bb is the real ccTLD for Barbados, so if these domains have existed (they don't now anyway), they must have been Google's mirrors for that country. google.ca (for Canada), google.de (for Germany) and many other parallel sites exist and follow the same pattern. Glades12 (talk) 06:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres

• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 800 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 1500 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 5000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 10,000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 3000 metres steeplechase → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 4 × 100 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 4 × 400 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 100 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 200 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 400 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 800 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 1500 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 5000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 10,000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 3000 metres steeplechase → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 4 × 100 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's marathon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 110 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 20 kilometres walk → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's high jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's pole vault → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's long jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's triple jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's shot put → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's discus throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's hammer throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's javelin throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's decathlon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's marathon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 100 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 400 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 20 kilometres walk → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's high jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's pole vault → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's long jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's shot put → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's discus throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's hammer throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's javelin throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's heptathlon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete to encourage article creation, similar to all other individual event redirects created by a now-blocked user Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 00:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, valid article topic. Star Mississippi 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

Double Disc Album

• Double Disc Album → Double album  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Technically not useful as the redirect Double disc album (the correct spelling) already exists and MediaWiki isn't case sensitive. Killarnee (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ...what? I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place. Keep as MediaWiki is case-sensitive, and I'd recommend withdrawing unless you want to go against the precedent of the entirety of Category:Redirects from miscapitalisations. (WP:RCAPS is also worth mentioning). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place.
  Here's a tip: While the URL bar is case sensitive (and has to be; we have plenty of articles where case is relevant; see MAVEN vs Maven), the Search bar isn't, unless there are extant separate articles for each capitalization. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know that much, but it's a habit that's hard to break. I do it while knowing the search function is better; who's to say there's not people that do it while not knowing much about the search function? Besides, this excerpt from WP:RCAPS shows some other areas where case-sensitivity is important: While Wikipedia's search function is generally case-insensitive, these redirects aid linking from other articles and external sites. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horror-Core

• Horror-Core → Horrorcore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Was created as a duplicate of article Horrorcore but couldn't find any sources (checked Ngram and Scholar too) for this spelling. Killarnee (talk) 22:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - redirects are cheap, unambigious where it's intending to go. If the redirect existed in the first place then the user wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to create a duplicate article. BugGhost🪲👻 13:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, plausible spelling variant that a reader could search for. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as plausible spelling variant. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022 United Kingdom government formation

• 2022 United Kingdom government formation → Truss ministry  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The page to which this page redirects mentions nothing about any formation. So this redirect is at this moment misleading. Dajasj (talk) 15:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: also ambiguous with the formation of the Sunak ministry. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Ambiguous between the Truss and Sunak ministries but not worth a disambig page. The search engine is well equipped to handle phrases like this. Glades12 (talk) 06:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per arguments above BugGhost🪲👻 13:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Men in the Philippines

• Men in the Philippines → Filipinos  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Doesn't look like a good redirect. Could not find other countries redirecting "Men in (country)" to their respective citizens and/or nationals. Sanglahi86 (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Several pageviews per month (600+ in the last year), and I can't find a better target. Appears to be useful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Actually, Ca makes a good point about the current target. Delete. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete to encourage article creation. Per WP:R#DELETE #10, the current target provides no information about men in philippines in particular, only as a people. Deleting would encourage article creation for the counterpart of Women in the Philippines.

Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ca. The topic is relevant and likely notable, so having a red link is better than sending the reader to a much wider topic that doesn't mention it in detail. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:REDLINK --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pituophis melanoleucus melanoleucus

• Pituophis melanoleucus melanoleucus → Pituophis melanoleucus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The subspecies of P. m. melanoleucus is distinct from P. melanoleucus; for example, see P. melanoleucus's range vs. P. m. melanoleucus's range. As a result it is harmful to have a redirect from one to the other; this would imply that they are the same. ReadItAlready (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as the Pituophis melanoleucus article is currently the best place to direct readers for information on P. melanoleucus ssp. melanoleucus. It distinguishes the subspecies of this snake and even describes differences in the ranges of the subspecies. ― Synpath 03:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a redirect from a subspecies. P. m. melanoleucus is included in P. melanoleucus, therefore it makes sense to redirect the former to the latter. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zine Tseng

• Zine Tseng → 3 Body Problem (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:RDEL#10. This redirect was created by an indef blocked user, and does not link to any article. The subject person has already landed a main role in a high-profile Netflix series and had multiple personal interviews, which suggests the article currently meets GNG on the borderline and once they receive another notable role, they will likely pass NACTOR as well. The subject person is very likely to warrant an independent article, while 3 Body Problem (TV series), a project they were involved in, has zero coverage of their life or career. Therefore, I think this redirect does not have a reason to exist and should be deleted per WP:RDEL. Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 10:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vllatava River

• Vllatava River → Vltava  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Multiple typos, implausible typo of plausible misspelling "Vlatava", unused, nonsense for native speaker, also "Vllatava" not found by global search. Should be deleted. —Mykhal (talk) 09:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Well, nonsense for native speaker subreason might be somewhat misleading, as the word Vltava itself does not have (other) meaning in current Czech, too.) —Mykhal (talk) 09:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, per nom. BugGhost🪲👻 13:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie

• BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie → BoBoiBoy Galaxy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's no movie titled "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie". M S Hassan (talk) 08:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to BoBoiBoy: The Movie BugGhost🪲👻 13:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie", redirecting it to BoBoiBoy: The Movie is pointless. M S Hassan (talk) 09:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie" - I am aware - I am not suggesting creating an article with that title. I am suggesting a redirect to a different article because it is very likely where the user is attempting to go to - it is not pointless. BugGhost🪲👻 13:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to BoBoiBoy Movie 2. The BoBoiBoy franchise is split between the first TV series, simply titled BoBoiBoy, and the second series, titled BoBoiBoy Galaxy. While the first BoBoiBoy movie-- BoBoiBoy: The Movie-- came out right between and was meant to be a chronological bridge between the two series (and notably has a logo quite similar to the Galaxy logo, which does lend the idea that someone could slap the Galaxy moniker on it), BoBoiBoy Movie 2 came out during BoBoiBoy Galaxy, between its first and second seasons. If any movie gets to be "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie", I believe it's BoBoiBoy Movie 2. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 15

Islamic Salvation Party

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: the page is no longer a redirect

Draft:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering

• Draft:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering → User:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Useless WP:XNR. The page obviously should have never been moved to draftspace in the first place as it is not a draft. No need to leave a redirect after moving it back to the correct namespace. (I wasn't sure if WP:G6 applied so here we are.) Nickps (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Yeah I'm fine with deletion here. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I see no reason for this redirect to stick around. If the page didn't belong in draftspace, then this redirect shouldn't exist either. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There's at least tens of similar redirects. Assuming that this redirect gets deleted (for other reasons than G7), the other ones should presumably be deleted too, though I haven't individually checked each of them for substantial page history or pageview oddities. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaza death camp

• Gaza death camp → Gaza Strip  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete for obvious severe neutrality concerns. There's also "Gaza concentration camp" and "Gaza extermination camp" which I'm too lazy to include at the moment. Anonymous 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). We have lots of non-neutral redirects, and some of them are indeed quite offensive. But I don't see how these ones in particular do any harm. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 21:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for NPOV, per nom. Longhornsg (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. The term has seen some use [11][12], however I am not sure if it qualifies as common use. However my suggested retarget contains more information about deaths in Gaza strip. Ca ^{talk to me!} 08:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good points, I've updated my vote. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 08:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget as per Ca. As mentioned, WP:RNEUTRAL dictates that redirects do not need to be neutral; not only are redirects much harder to see (your average reader isn't going to use the "what links here" tool), but also, if someone were to use a non-neutral search term for whatever reason (for example, "hey, I've heard this term being batted around, what the heck are people talking about?"), we shouldn't keep them from reaching the information we have on the topic.

I agree that the Gaza Humanitarian Crisis article is a better target than Gaza Strip. However, barring the retarget, I would prefer keep over deletion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, Lunamann, in your example, the person would not actually learn anything about the term and simply be redirected to a vaguely relevant article. You are certainly right that being useful is more important than neutrality when it comes to redirects, but the fact that the redirect has had exactly one view barring yesterday, having been around for about a month, does not help its case on that end either. Anonymous 18:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget as per Ca. BugGhost🪲👻 12:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, at most this is a flowery epithet. It may not even be a single term, "death camp" serves as a descriptor for Gaza [13][14][15]. The term serves no navigational use as a redirect, anyone who knows about the Gaza strip would be searching for that, and anyone who is genuinely seeking it out as a term will only be obliquely helped by redirecting to the humanitarian crisis. Another consideration is that searching Gaza death camp without quotes on google brings up actual specific camps, such as the Sde Teiman detention camp, and it does seem a plausible descriptor for that too. CMD (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skymont (microarchitecture)

• Skymont (microarchitecture) → Cannon Lake (microprocessor)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Skymont → Cannon Lake (microprocessor)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete, deprecated, WP:CBALL, check the talk pages for the complete rationale Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete – this redirect is definitely 'obsolete' as "Skymont" now officially refers to the E-core architecture used in Lunar Lake, see sources here: [16], [17], which is completely different to the Cannon Lake processor series. The "Skymont (microarchitecture)" redirect is especially misleading, as Cannon Lake is a microprocessor series, not a microarchitecture, which are two highly different things. Though, I should mention that this redirect doesn't need to be deleted per se for someone to create an article about the Skymont E-core architecture; you can just simply overwrite the redirect with an article. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

Partisan movement

• Partisan movement → Yugoslav Partisans  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Partisan or Partisan (military). My impression is that "Partisan movement" is a generic concept that does not imply Yugoslavia. For example, it could refer to Italian partisans, among others. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but add a hatnote. Searches indicate that the current target is the clear primary topic for this term, but there should be a hatnote either to an existing dab page or a new specific one. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cat poison

• Cat poison → Cat#Poisoning  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's no content about cat poisons in the article, and very little about toxicity of foods to cats in either this article or Cat food. There's a couple sentence stub in the article history, but I doubt it would survive AFD in its current form, so I think this can just be deleted, because I don't see a good retargeting option that I can think of. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could potentially redirect to Cat health#Toxic substances Traumnovelle (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I just missed that. Redirect to Cat health#Toxic substances. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 22:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget as per Traumnovelle and Skarmory. Anyone looking for what might be poisonous to cats via searching "cat poison" would be well served by this new target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per above, straightforward retarget. Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per the above. Glades12 (talk) 06:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The target is obvious as above, but I just want to raise the point that it's possible this redirect is unethical. Someone searching this specific phrase is likely looking for the analog to "rat poison", as in, a substance to deliberately put out to kill cats... and it sits wrong with me that we would so quickly provide that information. I know, I know, wikipedia is not censored... just want to raise the concern here. Fieari (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Cat health#Toxic substances per above. Fieari's concern is appreciated although my GSearch seems to show that this term's result is mostly about what to do if you suspect you're cat has been poisoned. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pkiro Wrokestling

• Pkiro Wrokestling → Professional wrestling  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This title is not a plausible error for "professional wrestling", to put it mildly. My searches for "Pkiro Wrokestling" didn't turn up any meaningful results, though weirdly a Facebook account mentions it.

However, it would appear that this redirect has "non-trivial page history". Its original content is identical to a past version of the main article (01:06, 12 April 2008). My guess is that the user who created it was upset that their "professional wrestling is fake" version of the article had been reverted and decided to surreptitiously create a fork by messing up with the title. Anyway, while I agree that pro wrestling is not a genuine sport, delete this redirect for being patently implausible and for not having page history worth preserving. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Any substantial page history it has is, as noted, already preserved in the history of Professional wrestling. It's not a genuine sport because it's a theatre performance. Full-contact, no-holds barred, theatre. Calling it fake is like going to a stage play and calling Macbeth fake, like yeah, it is, but is that really the point?? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stone Temple Pilots (1994 album)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn.

List of celebrities in The Simpsons

• List of celebrities in The Simpsons → List of recurring The Simpsons characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The title seems ambiguous over whether it should refer to guest stars in the series (in which case it would redirect to List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 21–present)) or in-universe fictional characters who are celebrities (the current purpose of the redirect). Xeroctic (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambig no clear primary topic and at least three targets (the two listed above and List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 1–20)). Thryduulf (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Football at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's CAF qualification

• Football at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's CAF qualification → 2015 CAF Women's Olympic qualifying tournament  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I call for a deletion of this title as it isn't/wasn't its proper name for it. Created by now-inactive user who was at first unsure about a proper titling of this article. Intrisit (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• If this is unambiguous it seems harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 17:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - the redirect is in a standard form and therefore likely searchable. GiantSnowman 18:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per GiantSnowman's response. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Megabucks (slot machine)

• Megabucks (slot machine) → Slot machine#Linked machines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "Megabucks" at the target, meaning that this redirect is confusing or unnecessary. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to International Game Technology (1975–2015)#1975–1990. There are a few mentions of a Megabucks slot machines but this is the only one that contains any detail (albeit not a lot). Thryduulf (talk) 17:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kelvin Lim

• Kelvin Lim → Kelvin Lim Hock Hin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect should be deleted, as all it serves is to redirect the Singaporean Basketball player Kelvin Lim to the completely unrelated criminal Kelvin Lim Hock Hin. There is no relation mentioned anywhere online or on Kelvin Lim Hock Hin's page. JubaTuba (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, this is a WP:PTM and nom clearly lays out how it could be harmful. I will note that unless someone makes an actual page for Kelvin Lim, this issue will still persist in a form-- the search results pulled up by searching Kelvin Lim will still likely have Kelvin Lim Hock Hin at the very top of the list due to it being a partial title match. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nom has not established notability of the basketball player. There's no case for REDLINK, since this is a valid alternate spelling of the name for the criminal. It is his "English name" in the Singaporean context. If the basketball player gets an article, then this can be revisited. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for safety. If someone is named Kelvin Lim, it could be devastating if someone googled their name and got this page. This is a WP:BLP-adjacent issue. Fieari (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The current target article's person is named "Kelvin Lim", it's right there in the infobox. Does that mean we need to delete all redirects to all criminals? Make criminal biographies impossible to find? What if there's some other person who is named "Kelvin Lim Hock Hin without an article somewhere in the world? Does that mean we need to hide this biography? There are many people in the world who share names with criminals. That's just life. People get harrassed at airports all the time because they have the same name as someone on the no-fly list. These incidents sometimes show up on local news. WP:NOTCENSORED Wikipedia is not censored. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep because practically there was no other person on a Wikipedia article with the same name by the way. But I still understand your reasons (all of them are valid) to nominate this for deletion or something, and I accept it even if the result is delete. Alternatively if in the future, another Kelvin Lim made his way into Wikipedia as another unrelated article, I suggest we can still revive the redirect to include the same Kelvin Lims into a sort of disambiguation page. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Besides, I checked the Wikipedia and search on Google, but I did not find a Wikipedia page about the Singaporean basketball player who got the same name. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • From the Team Singapore webpage [18] it appears the basketball player's name is Kelvin Lim Hong Da -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC) [fixed typo] -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC) [reply]
• Keep This person has an English given name "Kelvin" and a surname "Lim" and a Chinese given name "Hock Hin", thus this is a valid redirect from the "English name" rendering of his name "Kelvin Lim". It is a valid redirect. There is no other topic article on Wikipedia who uses this name. Alternately, disambiguate with Kelvin Lim Yong Sheng, a Singaporean field hockey player and silver medalist at the Field hockey at the 2007 SEA Games. Kelvin Lim Leong Keat, a sailor who won gold for Malaysia at the 2001 SEA Games, Kelvin Lim Kok Peng, a Singaporean zoologist, for which the species Tioman Island rock gecko (Cnemaspis limi) is named for. Kelvin Lim, the defence lawyer in the Orchard Towers double murders case and Koh Swee Beng case and Yishun triple murders and Murder of William Tiah Hung Wai case. Clearly the basketball player isn't more notable. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Is this basketball player also called Kelvin Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Kelvin Lim / Kelvin Hong Da Lim / Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Lim ? [19][20]. Because, that should be the name of the basketball player's article then, and not just "Kelvin Lim" -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per 64.229.90.32 and NelsonLee20042020. "Kelvin Lim" is a name that Kelvin Lim Hock Hin used - it's listed in "Other names" in the infobox, and he is referred to as just "Kelvin Lim" 5 times in the body of the article. Whether or not there's also a basketball player who has a similar name the redirect is valid and correct. If the basketball player ever becomes notable enough to get an article and it's also asserted that they are recognised by the name "Kelvin Lim", then maybe a disambiguation page can be created - but for now it's fine as-is. BugGhost🪲👻 11:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 13

Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus

• Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus → Talk:COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a useful redirect Wow (talk) 23:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Useful page history. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Rhododendrites. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore and mark historical per Tavix and Steel below is a much better idea. Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Until very recently the page looked like this, but I redirected it to preserve history (not sure if WP:MFD is better, but the ones sent there were never used IIRC), and then Wow sent it here. I redirected it because (1) it has not been transcluded at Talk:COVID-19 for quite some time (not sure when it was removed), and (2) all three points are clearly outdated. Point 1 mandates using text that is not used anymore, including the long-disproven claim that COVID-19 is not airborne. Point 2 is about not using the "current" template; this is obviously pointless now. Point 3 refers to a gif that appears nowhere in the present version of the article; it was clearly superseded at some point. All 3 points are from March and April 2020, hence over four years old. Crossroads ^-talk- 17:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I'm good with restoring and marking as historical. I just didn't know what else to do in this unusual situation. Crossroads ^-talk- 00:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• If a redirect is unwanted, how about just slapping a ((historical)) template on the page and call it a day? -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, restore and mark historical was my vote, but then the edit got lost with a real life interruption. Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore and mark as Historical as per Tavix and Steel. Seems like a better method of preserving history while still making it clear that the points presented are outdated and unused. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore and mark historical per above. I prefer that the 04:00, 3 May 2021 revision of Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus be restored since that is what the page looked like when it was removed from Talk:COVID-19 on 06:19, 21 April 2020 as part of an automatic archive. --Wow (talk) 01:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kazakh Guide Association

• Kazakh Guide Association → Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bear with me. This was originally an article by the now-blocked editor User:Kintetsubuffalo, which was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kazakh Guide Association. After deletion it became a redirect to Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan, pretty much a disambiguation page with only one blue link, to Organization of the Scout Movement of Kazakhstan. That Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan would be a redirect to the Organization article is fair--but the rest of that content is just not of encyclopedic value, and the "Guide Association" material has only this as sourcing, a primary Girl Scout document which doesn't even mention the association. So I have turned Scouting and Guiding into a redirect (in three steps, explaining why), but this is not a valid search term/redirect. The very existence of the term is already questionable: Google offers nothing but things derived from Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this as per WP:REDLINK and WP:2R. Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan being pruned down to a redirect is valid; Kazakh Guide Association then becoming a redirect to Organization of the Scout Movement of Kazakhstan isn't, given they're presumably two different organizations. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matriotism

• British matriotism → Patriotism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Matriotism → Cindy Sheehan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Matriotism" not mentioned in target, let alone the British flavour. Matriotism itself redirects to Cindy Sheehan, where it is also not mentioned. This article claims she "founded a movement" called matriotism, but redirecting to her (American) article would not be appropriate for this redirect in any case.

Possibly Matriotism should be retargeted to Frances Payne Adler, the coiner of the term, and then British matriotism retargeted there as well? But that's a bit of a stretch. Overall, in favor of deletion of this redirect (and retargeting Matriotism). Rusalkii (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rusalkii: I have taken the liberty of adding Matriotism to this nomination. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Adler's claim is dubious at best. See this 1894 publication. Perhaps wikt:matriotism (uncapitalized) is the way to go (for 'matriotism'), as it also lists 1894 as the origin. Matriot does not exist. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete British matriotism as we have no good target. Crosswiki Matriotism to wiktionary, which was a very interesting read actually; the diverse cited meanings and dates for those citations kinda tell a story in and of themselves! Fieari (talk) 23:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Fieari: I prefer wikt:matriotism to wikt:Matriotism; I missed the former on my first look (good catch!). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Agreed, the lower case one is better. Fieari (talk) 01:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peanut butter burger

• Peanut butter burger → Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I cannot find any references referring to the target as such. However, on third party search engines, I did find recipes for burger sandwiches containing peanut butter and a ground beef patty, which is not what the target article is about. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean. It's the Elvis sandwich. The article is about that. They sold peanut butter burgers at Sonic Drive-In for a while there. It was just a variant of the Elvis sandwich. Here is where the article discusses peanut butter burgers. Noah Tall (talk) 05:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about you but around here peanut butter burgers have nothing to do with Elvis. It's your standard burger, but you replace the sauce/mayonaise/condiments with peanut butter. E.g. [21] "PEANUT BUTTER BURGER: Fresh beef patty, peanut butter (on both buns), lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles, cheddar cheese, and bacon."

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure, Noah. Here's an article about the Sonic peanut butter burger, and it clearly has a ground beef patty and no bananas in sight. Also, the "discussion" in the article regarding peanut butter burgers is a single sentence, which could be easily removed from the article without breaking the flow of the article, only states that "burgers done Elvis style have become increasingly popular in the United States", and whose only source given is this recipe for an Elvis burger. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth mode of transport

• Fourth mode of transport → Mode of transport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of modes of transport being numbered on the target page. the phrase "fourth mode of transport" doesn't appear to have a common specific referent, though there do seem to be four common modes of transport generally talked about. google gives lots of quizzes about "what are the four modes of transport", but they don't seem to have any particular canonical order. "Fourth mode of transport" has only 3 hits, all of which talk about adding a fourth mode to some existing network. Rusalkii (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as vague. I'm getting GSearch hits ranging from the hyperloop and mobility as a service to walking as the fourth mode of transport. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep "4th mode" is a generic term to refer to a non-traditional form of transport that is supposedly to take the world by storm, and become the next regular transport mode. As such the target covers various modes of transport, so people should be able to look for some unusual or non-traditional form of transport from those listed at the target. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 22:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as unmentioned. If the IP is correct, and "fourth mode of transport" is a term for "the next great currently-nontraditional form of transport that WILL take the world by storm, I promise, don't look at all the failures before us", then this being redirected to Modes of transport is a bad idea-- someone searching for "fourth mode of transport" would be ill-served by being given an article about modes of transport in general, with zero information on the term in question. WP:REDLINKing would be better help-- inviting someone to write an article about, say, the history of the term, what forms of transport have attempted to use the term as their claim to fame, et cetera. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Intruder alert

• Intruder alert → Trespasser  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Well, giving this some thought, I do not think this is correct. The phrase is not mentioned in the target article, and most likely readers searching this term are intending to either find some topic related to Alarm or a quote from some media ... which the latter can be difficult to pinpoint since there is apparently a lot of media that reference an "intruder alert" either in context or a quote. Steel1943 (talk) 19:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

insert berzerk joke here per the discussion three entries below this one. also delete as too widespread for a primary topic but too unremarkable on its own for a disambig cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Worth noting that Intruder is a DAB page, and probably wouldn't be a good target for this redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ruby and Sapphire

• Ruby and Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ruby / Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ruby and sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

it pains me to say this, but the pokémon games don't seem to be the primary topic for mentions of those two specific minerals together. torn on retargeting to garnet (steven universe) as she's a fusion of the characters known as ruby and sapphire, to the list of steven universe characters as it includes ruby and sapphire, or just deleting, but will lean towards retargeting to the list cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep Ruby and Sapphire as marginally the primary tropic for that capitalization (over the Steven character{s}). Retarget Ruby and sapphire to Corundum as the primary topic for that capitalization. Delete Ruby / Sapphire due to ill-formatting and ambiguity. Hatnote as appropriate. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Ruby / Sapphire and Retarget Ruby and sapphire as per Godsy; his argument as per Ruby / Sapphire being ambiguous and poorly formatted is sound, and the lowercase "sapphire" means that it shouldn't be taken to be a proper name. Keep with hatnote Ruby and Sapphire; while Garnet is and remains my favorite ship (and ship name) in all of media, I find the idea that she's Primary here (over the best-selling GBA title) to be a case of WP:RECENTISM. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate Ruby and Sapphire as there are multiple possible meanings. Retarget Ruby and sapphire to the disambiguation and delete the third one as oddly formatted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Dublin Bay North by-election

• 2024 Dublin Bay North by-election → Dublin Bay North (Dáil constituency)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Under WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTALBALL. As Spleodrach said, this by-election may never happen. Until it does, we don't need a page for this, or for the other vacancies which may be confirmed by this evening. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 19:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!

• Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert! → Berzerk (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"intruder alert" currently redirects to trespasser. don't think this line is or can feasibly be primarily associated with berzerk quite like... all the other lines. google's results are confusing, but mostly seem to point to assorted movie lines and an achievement in a lego batman game. a little torn on voting for retargeting or deletion, but will lean towards retargeting cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. A quote used in several media sources that would be improper to redirect to Trespasser since it's probably most famous as a quote. (Hmm ... I wonder if this quote is on Wikiquote ... haven't checked yet, not sure if I will.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  ...Okay, so I searched Wikiquote, and this phrase appears in several places. Yeah, best to delete as vague. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  how confusing would it be if all those instances coincidentally happened to be references to berzerk? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I was thinking the same thing ... but then I would assume that the phrase was a notable topic, which means WP:REDYES would apply. I mean, our princess is in another castle! Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Way too vague for anything, search function would be most helpful here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technical music

• Technical music → Progressive music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article. The target article mentions used of technology, but the use of the word "technical" is not exclusive to technology. In addition, if the word "technical" is meant to refer to technology, then arguably the most technological-heavy music genre is Electronic music. Probably best to delete this vague redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete as vague, as this could refer to techno, electronic music, literally any song more complex in structure or production than a nursery rhyme, and jazz cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - cogsan sums it up well BugGhost🪲👻 16:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as vague per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bienver metal

• Bienver metal → Heavy metal music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Bienver Metal → Heavy metal music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer. Third party search engines do not seem to know what this means either ... given the top results I receive when looking up this phrase relate to Justin Bieber. Steel1943 (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per OP — Czello ^(music) 18:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nonsensical topic. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 18:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Telling google I really do mean "Bienver metal" when I put it in quotes finds only this redirect and derivatives. Thryduulf (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I can confirm the above. I also checked out what "Bienver" on its own went to, and it seems this is a common name in some part of the world. My bet is that someone with this name, or a fan of someone with this name, wanted wikipedia to say that their name was synonymous with heavy metal. Fieari (talk) 00:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above editors' findings --Lenticel ^(talk) 08:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Under the influence of alcohol

• Under the influence of alcohol → Alcohol intoxication  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search query Mondtaler (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Redirects are cheap, and this is unambiguous. Also, it doesn't seem like an unlikely search term IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Under the influence. It got 15 views last year, not sure whether that is low or high but at least it is not zero. The name seems based on shortening driving under the influence of alcohol, so under the influence is a better target. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 17:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Under the influence (a dab page) per Mathnerd314159. Someone using this is equally likely to be looking for Alcohol intoxication or Driving under the influence, both of which are listed there. Thryduulf (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to DAB page as per Mathnerd and Thryduulf, while also tagging as Incomplete Disambiguation. I will admit, I was about to recommend that the redirect be kept as per Presidentman before I saw Thryduulf note that Under the influence was a DAB page. That said, even if you take "...of alcohol" as a disambiguator, that still leaves Alcohol intoxication and Driving under the influence as potential hits, both of which are near the top of the DAB page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I normally like DABs as redirect targets, but this one has so many entries for unrelated albums and intoxication by means other than alcohol that I feel being targeted here might cause WP:SURPRISE. The trouble is that this really does have two potential targets: Alcohol intoxication or Driving under the influence, both of which are located at that DAB amidst everything else... but again, I'm worried that the weight of the "everything else" could cause confusion. Does anyone else think a mini-DAB with just those two links would be okay, or am I impugning the intelligence of potential wikipedia users by thinking they'd get confused here? Fieari (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I mean, the thing is, both of the potential targets here are at the very top of the Under the influence DAB, separated by exactly one non-alcohol result (Altered state of consciousness, and even that DOES have information pertaining to alcohol-- after all, ethanol itself IS a drug). Add on the fact that I'm fairly certain most of the music/media links are using "Under the Influence" as a shorthand for "Under the Influence of Alcohol", and I'd say that it shouldn't cause too much confusion or surprise. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree with your reasoning in opposing simply retargeting, but I still feel this term is unambiguous enough to warrant keeping as BugGhost elaborates on below. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - if a user searches "Under the influence of alcohol", its extremely likely they want Alcohol intoxication. There's no implication they're searching for anything related to driving (you can do anything "under the influence of alcohol") and the inclusion of "of alcohol" in the term means they weren't searching for drug-based intoxication, or any of the various topics that are simply called "Under the influence" listed on the Under the influence disambig page. BugGhost🪲👻 07:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The reason someone might be looking for Driving under the influence is that "under the influence" is specifically the term used within a DUI, whereas it's not common to speak about intoxication in those terms outside the context of the law about "no drunk driving". But you're right that someone searching the term might be interested in general alcohol intoxication as well since they expressly dropped the "driving" part of the search... which is why we've been suggesting disambiguation. Both possibilities are there for what the searcher wants. Fieari (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Electric Turbo

• Electric Turbo → Porsche Taycan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what ((R from incorrect name)) is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambig between electrically-assisted turbocharger and electric supercharger. The term seems to be used for both. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger - most logical destination for someone searching the term. --Sable232 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate the term can also refer to electric-motor-assist power boost (ie. hybrid vehicle with electric assist drive mode, to add power to the gasoline engine's power output) as "turbo" can just refer to a power boost. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Szökés

• Szökés → Prison Break  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Szoekes → Prison Break  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Szokes → Prison Break  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

For some reason, the Hungarian name of a TV show was redirected there in 2007, without explanation. It's obviously unused, nor are other language names for the same TV show redirected, and there is practically no reader traffic. Diacriticless variants were created next year by bots as well. Joy (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conjunctival pallor

• Conjunctival pallor → Anemia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

while this is a key symptom of anemia, this redirect does not lead to the actual topic, rather a cause of the symptom Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete Is there another disease that causes conjunctival pallor? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's only really observed in anemia, but this is because it is mostly looked for when diagnosing anemia. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 14:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anaemia isn't a disease, it's a symptom of many diseases. I am not aware of any condition that causes it aside from anaemia but I still see it as a bad redirect. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anagrams as establishment of priority

• Aaaaaaacccccdeeeeeghiiiiiiillllmmnnnnnnnnnooooppqrrstttttuuuuu → Anagram#Establishment of priority  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Smaismrmilmepoetaleumibunenugttauiras → Anagram#Establishment of priority  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Ceiiinosssttuv → Hooke's law  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Scientists of the early modern period often encoded key discoveries as anagrams to establish priority before publication. These should all target Anagram#Establishment of priority, or they should all target the relevant topics they encode: Rings of Saturn#History for the first two, and Hooke's law for the latter. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep 1 and 2, neutral 3** – This is fascinating. I think this article describes the anagram itself the best. It's not a particularly useful redirect, but you can imagine someone hiding this specific anagram as an easter egg in some work, in which case this redirect would serve very well. The third one is only explained in a note, which makes me more happy to delete. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit confused. You created Aaaaaaacccccdeeeeeghiiiiiiillllmmnnnnnnnnnooooppqrrstttttuuuuu only to immediately RfD it? Tercer (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing nom's thought process was, "Well, I made this redirect, but I'm not sure if it should point where Smaismrmilmepoetaleumibunenugttauiras points or if it should point analogously to where Ceiiinosssttuv points (which would be Rings of Saturn#History), so I'll just bundle my new redirect in with these two confused redirects as an RfD". 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the target seemed to be the biggest question. I think we should simply make the target wherever the nature of the anagram is best explained. Further needed wikilinks are there. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• All should point to the Anagram article. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget/keep all three to Anagram#Establishment of priority, where the purpose of these anagrams-- how they're constructed, what they mean, and why they were made- are discussed at length. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget/Keep all three to Anagram#Establishment of priority, which also links to the articles about the actual discovery as well, so all needs are covered. The primary topic is definitely the anagram itself, however, which is why they should target the anagram article section where it is discussed in detail. Fieari (talk) 23:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurt (Witt Lowry song)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete