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Vivienne Westwood[edit]

Hello,

It is an established fact that Vivienne Westwood AND Malcolm McLaren designed Bondage Trousers.

'Established facts'[edit]

It should be easy to cite references foe 'established facts'. User:Pedant 22:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

BOY and picture[edit]

The tighter bondage trousers, with lots of zips, and straps attached to d-rings with dog clips were designed by the Punk Boutique BOY; owned by Stephan Raynor. BOY also took over the production of Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLarens bondage suits in the early 80's when Seditionaries changed its name to Worlds End. Is it against Wikipedias policy to put up a picture of Malcolm McLaren wearing the red tartan bondage suit in The Great Rock n Roll Swindle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.207.145 (talk) 02:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus for move. Ucucha 18:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bondage pants → Bondage trousers — British concept, article is in British English, references are all to British version of the term: all suggest moving to the British version of the title. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose They are not a British concept and these pants are used in other regions of the world. So Oppose per ENGVAR. TJ Spyke 21:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's not what the article says: Westwood was a British designer and the trousers were initially only available in one shop, in London. But since the article is in British English, ENGVAR supports the move. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 21:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is not a subject strongly tied to UK, so ENGVAR opposes the move. Bondage pants are not mainly UK, the article is in poor shape and needs to be globalized. TJ Spyke 01:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support. Based on the article saying it is a British concept and TJ Spyke failing to prove otherwise, I cannot say that it seems to be specifically biased towards Britain. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment In any case, regardless of whether they are a British concept or not, ENGVAR states that if an article is written in British English, it stays in British English, unless it is an article about something with specifically un-British connections. In other words, if an article about turnip greens had been written in British English, it would be permissable to convert to American English, as turnip greens are tied up specifically with American culture and cuisine. Bondage trousers/pants are not a specifically American piece of clothing. Having said all that, I am English, have lived in the United Kingdom all my life, am old enough to remember when punks were on every street corner, and have always known them as bondage pants. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment. In case no one has noticed, the article is in American English and not British as is being argued above. If you need proof, look at the spelling in the first paragraph. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose. Article is written in American English. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Actual BDSM use?[edit]

I've looked at a fair number of BDSM shops online and read a few books thereon and so on, but I have found nary a mention of bondage pants anywhere. The baggy sort (the only sort that I am familiar with) also seem much too loose to be any use in securing a person. Especially as this article is categorized as BDSM equipment as well as fetish wear, can someone please clarify what relation, if any, bondage pants have with actual bondage?

IsaacSapphire (talk) 08:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Homeless?[edit]

I'm a bit confused about the statement regarding the possible origins being homeless people. The straps are there so they could hold onto a train? What the heck does that mean? They strapped their pants to a train? What possible good does that do? Could someone who know what this is all about please rewrite that sentence so it makes some sense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.65.130 (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]