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There is a discussion about the naming convention to use for articles about British locomotive and multiple unit classes at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (British railway locomotive and multiple unit classes). Your comments are more than welcome. Thryduulf 22:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The British Rail Class 168 article has some good material describing the mechanical and construction details of Turbostars (in relation to their similarity to the 168); I am not certain that it is fully applicable to 170/171 so I didn't want to copy it here but I'd be glad if somebody with a clearer grasp on the facts would raise an objection or otherwise I'll append the relevant paras to this article in a few weeks. I think it would be a helpful addition to this article.
And another thing: according to The Railway Magazine May 2007, Bombardier upgraded many Turbostars free-of-charge after taking over Adtranz. I didn't want to shove that straight into the article either but it's a juicy story worth mentioning, so I'll stick it in here in a couple of weeks if nobody objects.
All those in favour? Nankai 05:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Anyone got a date for when the last one is transfered ? Pickle 12:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Should Class 172 also be incorporated into the title on this page? Or should it have a new article of its own? Maybe Class 170, Class 171 and Class 172 should all have different articles. The Class 220 and Class 221 both have their own articles despite being very similar trains. The same system will then be the same on all train class articles on wikipedia. User:Year1989 14:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I’d say to cover all three on one page and, ideally, call that article ‘Turbostar’. David Arthur 19:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
We will have to wait until the units are built until we decide whether to create a new article or change the title. However, why is there an article titled Electrostar on Wikipedia if there is not "Turbostar" etc. I am leaning towards supporting different articles about "Turbostar," "Desiro," etc, because it is more useful to readers than British Rail X (In any case, shouln't the articles be called "National Rail Class X" now, or even "Pendelino Class XXX?").
By the way, the Class 172s will be operated by London Midland instead of Class 170/171s, because they have better acceleration (for the Snow Hill Lines which have stops very close). Dewarw 17:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
This is my idea: An article called "Turbostar" should be made. In the "Turbostar" article there will be all the technical descriptions and details. From this article there should be links to the Class 170, Class 171 and Class 172 articles. These specific articles will describe the operators which use them and all the specifics about that certain class and the trains in it. My view on the British Rail Class XXX is that the articles should be called Class 170 Turbostar and anything in front of the Class XXX should be scrapped. Year1989 19:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
The debate over ‘British Rail Class X’ has happened on multiple occasions, and the general consensus seems to be that while it is unquestionably bad, every alternative that has been proposed is worse. If it makes you feel any better, you can think of ‘British Rail’ in this context as referring simply to the British rail system, not the former state-owned enterprise. Year1989’s proposal for the article layouts seems reasonable, though, as long as the ‘Turbostar’ article contains all of the information common to all the classes involved, and the individual class articles cover only the features that distinguish them, and their fleet lists. David Arthur 21:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I think every class deserves it's own page, including sub-classes. --Dennisman (talk) 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Having made an FOI request to the Department for Transport in regards to the distribution of Class 170s among TOCs, I received a reply detailing the following:
I think therefore that thejunction.org.uk, as it has been recommended as a legitimate source by the DfT, should be accepted here. Hammersfan 14/01/09, 09.28 GMT
I rearannged operations by region, with the subsections dealing with the workings in historical order (oldest first).
I added/created a 'tech' section
Removed livery images as per the reasons given here Talk:British Rail Class 168#tidy
The table I have also removed (possibly temporary) - it doesn't give the past operators/original buyer as given here http://www.therailwaycentre.com/New%20DMU%20Tech%20Data%20/DMU_170.html.
It's worth noting that there is practically no difference between the subclasses except the colour/number of seats - so maybe it's not even notable.
Hopefully no mistakes slipped in whilst I was doing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FengRail (talk • contribs) 20:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Just to let you know, the Commons category for Class 170s is now completely sorted by operator and livery. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
The Info box states 122 built. The Fleet list at the bottom totals 132. Seven of Southern's class 171 fleet were initially numbered as 170s before conversion (couplers). Should the number built be in fact 139, with 132 in service as 170s? Or is one of the number sources badly wrong?--Cambridge al (talk) 14:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
This article is currently named in accordance the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways naming conventions for British rolling stock allocated a TOPS number. A proposal to change this convention and/or its scope is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Naming convention, where your comments would be welcome.
I suspect that this is true for many British train pages, but the page does not mention anywhere who owns the units, which is what I can looking for.Talltim (talk) 14:47, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Why has Southern been removed as an operator?
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(Past operations ---> Southern)
"At the end of the First ScotRail franchise in March 2015, 170416 to 170424 were returned to Eversholt Rail Group. The first five units then remained on hire to Abellio ScotRail via a sublease arrangement until March 2020, while 170421 to 170424 moved to Wolverton railway works in April 2015. They were overhauled and converted to Class 171s intended for Southern. Following issues with the conversion and reliability issues, the remaining units were then handed back to Eversholt Rail Group where they were then re-leased to East Midlands Railway. Two became two-car 171/2s and two four-car Class 171/4s."
Issues...? Handed back...? They're still with Southern though, yes...? I don't get the bit in bold, it's confusing. 143.159.50.70 (talk) 03:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
There are a number of inaccuracies on this page. They need to be addressed ASAP, with a source supplied.
170270-170272 are now with EMR. 170270 and 170272 are even in service. 170271 is at Barrow Hill.
170422-170424 are actually numbered 170922-170924.
Thank you. ScotRail02 (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
"According to Rolling Stock Review: 2019-2020" (ISBN: 9781912205981), the Cross-Country units have the Motor Standards 56397-56398 re0inserted to form 3-car formations. I'll try to find a citeable source. E6Bruz6R (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)