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Is "challenge" in this sense an Americanism? I'm British and had never heard of it used like this before I came across it in the US. 86.154.8.32 (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
"Challenge" is a word used to describe a book that has been singled out for removal from a classroom, library, reading list, or other public place. A book is "challenged" when the complaint is registered, "banned" if the book is removed, "restricted" if the book is kept avalible, but now requires special access, and "retained" if the book is left where it was originally located. I'm not sure if "challenge" used in this way is strictly American, but it is used often in American to describe this type of complaint against a book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.25.12 (talk) 18:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
This page is full of POV. Normally, one lays out in the Talk section what's the POV. But seeing this is a relatively new article and that it appears someone is trying to get it started, I'll leave out any specific criticisms for now. But I will add a POV|date=September 2008 tag to put people on notice this article needs serious attention.
Indeed, I have questions whether it belongs here at all--others pages might be better. It might be merged into other pages, or it already exists in other pages and should just be deleted. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 01:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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"A successful challenge would result in a banning and removal of those materials, a form of censorship." That is a POV. If a book is "challenged" and removed, it may be for reasons having nothing to do with "banning." For example, the book may be removed legally under Bd of Educ v. Pico. Or the book did not meet the library's selection policy in the first place.
Further, if a book is being "challenged," that necessarily means the book is freely available or it would not have been available to "challenge" in the first place. And if it is removed from a school, for example, the book is still available in the library, the bookstore, online, etc. It is simply not banned in the real sense of the word. The POV comes in when for political reasons or to sell newspapers, "banned" becomes the word to use to effectuate the goals of those with the POV by making it sound more ominous than it really is. As one former American Library Association [ALA] Councilor put it, "It also highlights the thing we know about Banned Books Week that we don't talk about much — the bulk of these books are challenged by parents for being age-inappropriate for children. While I think this is still a formidable thing for librarians to deal with, it's totally different from people trying to block a book from being sold at all."
"Challenges are often brought by parents wishing to protect their children from content that they deem to be inappropriate or offensive. However, under an interpretation of the Library Bill of Rights, 'Librarians and governing bodies should maintain that parents — and only parents — have the right and the responsibility to restrict the access of their children — and only their children — to library resources.' " The Library Bills of Rights represents the POV of the ALA. It is, by definition, a POV. The ALA's POV is that it is age discrimination for a librarian to keep a child from inappropriate material. That is not what most people think, and yes, that's my OR. But this isn't: in the case the ALA lost and lost big, US v. ALA, the US Supreme Court said in 2003, "The interest in protecting young library users from material inappropriate for minors is legitimate, and even compelling, as all Members of the Court appear to agree." The Court went on to approve Internet filters on public library computers. The ALA's POV, on the other hand, is that librarians must not take part in effectuating that interest. And now that same ALA POV appears four square in this article, directly in the text and in the references as well.
"The American Library Association believe that it is important to monitor challenges made to books as well as actual bannings since a challenge may lead to self-censorship by those seeking to avoid controversy." Again, this is ALA POV sitting naked in a Wikipedia article. No books have been banned in the USA for many decades, but the ALA would have us believe it is an everyday occurrence, and people trying to keep inappropriate materials from children are book banners. Given what the US Supreme Court said, the Court too falls under the ALA's definition of book banners. Well this is a Wikipedia article and ALA POV or any POV at all, should not be here. "Actual bannings," for example, is POV.
"Self-censorship by those seeking to avoid controversy"? Not only is that POV, but it is also baloney not backed up by any reliable source.
Okay, that's detailed enough. I'm adding back in the POV tag, and it should not be removed until this matter is worked out. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I've re-added it since the article still seems to be about "challenge" within the context of American literature as defined by the American Library Association instead of book challenges in general. I've added the one source, globalize and missing information tags for the same reason. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 09:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hello Wikipedians,
I propose merging the "List of most commonly challenged books in the United States" page into this one as I feel as though these two come hand in hand and it would present the reader with a better understanding of challenged literature in the United States as they would see the types of books being challenged. Merging these two articles also makes sense as it checks out two of Wikipedia's reasons for merging. The first reason being this page provides context to the list of challenged books as the reader would have background knowledge on the matter before looking at the list allowing a better understanding of why these books are banned. This is evident as Wikipedia states "If a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it." Secondly, the text is really short with no intentions of expanding it within a reasonable amount of time and this extra information will only improve the page.
Abdullahdabbagh (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I will be editing the intro as it is very repetitive with the ALA definition that follows and attempt to align it with Wikipedia's guidelines on how to write an introduction. There guideline states "The lead section should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable and briefly describing its notable controversies if there are any. The emphasis given to material in the lead section should roughly reflect its importance to the topic." Clearly, This articles introduction does not do this and I will be attempting to do so.
Abdullahdabbagh (talk) 22:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I will be adding a section that looks into Deborah Brandt's theory and discussing how 'sponsors' play a lead role when it comes to challenged books in the US. I feel this section would elevate the quality of the page as it will help the reader understand why the challenging and banning of books is occurring in the first place due to our perception of children.
bibliography:
Brandt, Deborah. "Sponsors of Literacy." College Composition and Communication 49.2 (1998): 165-85.Print.
Abdullahdabbagh (talk) 22:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedians,
I am going to add a section about the background of challenges made against books in the US. This background will include several subsections. These subsections will be: history of book challenges in the US, Who challenge books in the US most of the time, common reasons why books are challenged. I will talk about a famous case surrounding a book challenge: the Arizona controversy. There are plenty of reasons why books are challenged in the US, including but not limited to religious, political, social, sexual, violence, and age appropriateness.. and I think it is important to talk about them in this page. By doing so, I believe that viewers of this page will better understand the meaning of a challenge made against a book, and will get a better idea of why and when it occurs.
Here are some of the articles I will use: - Sova, Dawn B. Literature Suppressed on Sexual Grounds. New York, NY: Facts on File, 1998a. /z-wcorg/. Web. - Karolides, Nicholas J. Literature Suppressed on Political Grounds. New York, NY: Facts on File, 1998. /z-wcorg/. Web. - Palos, Ari L, Eren McGinnis, Sally J. Fifer, Jacob Bricca, and Naïm Amor. Precious Knowledge. , 2011. - Akers, Carly Grace. "Which Books Are Challenged More â Classics or Contemporary?" New Library World 113.7/8 (2012): 385-95. Web. - Bald, Margaret. Literature Suppressed on Religious Grounds. New York: Facts On File, Inc., 2011. /z-wcorg/. Web. - "Butler university reasons for banning books." http://libguides.butler.edu/bannedbooks?p=217686. Web. -"Challenged and Banned Books." ALA | Challenged and Banned Books. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 Apr. 2018. - Smith, Mychal Denzel. "White Millennials Are Products of a Failed Lesson in Colorblindness." PBS. Public Broadcasting Service, 26 Mar. 2015. Web. 12 Apr. 2018.
--Mna58 (talk) 23:18, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello all,
I am going to add the links to pages that address censorship in multiple countries in order to make this page more international focusing less on The United States alone.
Abdullahdabbagh (talk) 17:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Drmies your note that it has limited global perspectives is correct, and hence why there is a long standing globalize tag. While it does have essay elements I disagree that it's fundamentally encyclopedic. I don't think either would be a good reason for deletion. However the redundancy with Book censorship in the United States is compelling. As there are a handful of pages which link here is there a good way via some script that you're aware of to move those links to Book censorship? I'm happy to help do it but as I don't do AWB I am unfamiliar with any sort of assisted way to do so and figured given your experience you might know. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)