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Reviewer: Cocobb8 (talk · contribs) 16:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Last updated: 20:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC) by Cocobb8
100% reviewed
See what the criteria are and what they are not
1) Well-written
2) Verifiable with no original research
3) Broad in its coverage
4) Neutral:
5) Stable:
6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio
Overall:
@CommunityNotesContributor: @CodemWiki: I am starting this review. It shouldn't take too long! Feel free to let me know if you have any questions during the review process.
First reading the article, it reads very easily, and summarizes very well the subject and is also understandable to a broad audience.
@CommunityNotesContributor: Please consider moving the sources in the lead somewhere else in the article to avoid sources repetition, see WP:LEADCITE.
Excellent, thank you. Here's me doing a couple random sources spot-checks:
By September 2022, the program had expanded to 15,000 users. Verified with source.
As of October 2023, a source is attached to the note so the information can be verified, in a similar manner to Wikipedia, (...) Verified with source.
As of November 2023, it has expanded to over 50 countries, with approximately 133,000 contributors. Verified with source.
The Community Notes algorithm publishes notes based on agreement from contributors who have a history of disagreeing. Verified with source.
The list of references is excellently formatted. Citation Bot and IABot didn't find anything to complain about, so full marks there .
Earwig's Copyvio Detector did not find any copy-violations (as I had expected). I like how the article makes an excellent use of a neutral-point of view, and gives due weight to every side, including criticism of the X function.
@CommunityNotesContributor: That is the point of a criticism section, so that the negative POVs have a chance to be addressed, and both "sides" don't necessarily have to be balanced as long as they reflect what has been mentioned in other sources.
In any case, spelling and grammar in the article are excellent, and my Autocorrector didn't fins anything to fix. Everyhting seems to be according the Manual of Style, including section titles, etc...
Checking the article's history and talk page, there isn't any edit war going on at this time, and there isn't a content dispute either. I strongly disagree on that point with the previous reviewer: stability simply means that a content dispute isn't making an article change all the time, not the subject being recent. The previous reviewer failed the article because the sources were released recently, which is not what is implied by stability in the Good Article Criteria.
Relevant images to the topic are included in the article, and their captions are written in accordance to WP:CAP. The images are tagged with valid copyright tags.
I am now mostly done reviewing, and will be finalizing by tomorrow, Saturday.
Re: Feel free to let me know if you have any questions during the review process.
Thought I'd ask for your opinion about the following content that was previously removed in GA1. I was told The Verge was not a top tier source, despite broad consensus that The Verge is a reliable source for use in articles relating to technology, science, and automobiles
, so am confused as to how you can get more reliable than that. The overall reasoning for issues with this paragraph was: We can take them as a reliable source for their reporting but a reliable source choosing to publish an unreliable one does not make the unreliable one reliable
, which overall I completely disagree with, despite removing for convenience of progress.
My reasoning: a reliable source may have the ability to verify information from a source not considered reliable, and that an "unreliable" source, doesn't necessarily mean the content they publish is always unreliable. Notably, NewsGuard published their research publicly (with spreadsheet linked in the Verge article), so clearly in this case it was verifiable. Likewise, publishing content from a reliable source does not imply that the original "unreliable" source of content they are reporting on is necessary a reliable source, as an entity, if that makes sense? Generally speaking, reliable sources are considered reliable, there is no caveat that I know of that says "unless they report on findings from a source not considered reliable".
I can otherwise understand the concern with the WP:MASHABLE source, but given it's not outside their remit of "tech news and pop culture"
, and clearly not sponsored (written by Mashable journalist Matt Binder), I believe in this case the content to be reliable, as per "case-by-case"
assessment. I agree that the mashable content requires heavy refining (example provided with strikethrough, but otherwise believe it adds useful context for NPOV regarding "notes reportedly received tens of millions of views per day"
, when in fact, sometimes notes are seen less than 1-5% of users viewing the content, which is otherwise the other side of this impressive sounding statistical argument, not forgetting that WP:CONTEXTMATTERS.
A NewsGuard report found advertising appearing on 15 posts with a Community Note attached in the week of November 13, 2023, indicating that "misinformation super-spreaders" may still be eligible for ad revenue, despite posts with notes attached being ineligible according to Musk.[1][2] On November 30, a Mashable investigation found most users never see published notes, with examples highlighting notes seen by less than 1% and 5% of users who viewed misinformation content.
Overall, a large disparity was found between the number of views on posts and the notes that attach themselves, with only 3 of 50 notes from the study receiving half as many views as the post they were attached to. Posts with misinformation were often found to receive 5 to 10 times more views than the fact-checking note, proving the approved note wasn't removed but remained attached.[3]
The other "odd" aspect of this review was that the following paragraph, that is another NewsGuard study documented by The Verge, was not considered an issue: Analysis from NewsGuard of 250 of the most-engaged posts, spreading the most common unsubstantiated claims about the Israel-Hamas war and viewed more than 100 million times, failed to receive notes 68% of the time. The report found Community Notes were "inconsistently applied to top myths relating to the conflict."
. So I got the impression it was a content issue, rather than a source issue personally. In hindsight, had I had known I could of asked for a second opinion with GA1, I would of done so.
Thanks in advance, apologies for the length question, but I think all information is relevant here in order to have an informed opinion.
tech news and pop culture, is generally fine. So unless you or others consider the content as sponsored, or outside that niche, I'll run with the idea that it's reliable in this case, as I don't see an argument for the reference in question being unreliable. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)