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I think we need dates to be a standard format, and links to the day and year are appropriate. Hopefully we can get the template to handle such links. Bytebear 23:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the number of ordinance rooms should also reflect whether they are progressive or freestanding. Bytebear 23:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I added sortable columns - this creates an issue regarding the use of headings every 10 entries since these get sorted as regular rows. We can remove them - I think that this would be acceptable since the sorting is such a useful feature. --Trödel 19:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Name | ... | Announcement Groundbreaking and Dedication |
... |
---|---|---|---|
Kirtland | ... | 27 MAR 1836 (D) | ... |
Nauvoo | ... | 30 APR 1846 (D) | ... |
St. George Utah | ... | 9 NOV 1871 (A) 9 NOV 1871 (G) 6 APR 1877 (D) 11 NOV 1975 (D)[2] |
... |
I've talked with several users - and the utility of this list is so that one can sort and compare different temples. Thus the intention is to not include mutliple fields of information in the same cell.
Additionally, After some experimenting I've discovered that use of ISO 8601 dates will allow correct sorting. And use of numbers without seperating commas or spaces for area and height will allow correct sorting. Thus the format will look something like this:
Name | Region | Country | Announcement | Dedication | Floor Area |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Nauvoo | Illinois | USA | 1836-03-27 | 54000 | |
St. George Utah | Utah | USA | 1871-11-09 | 1877-04-06 | 110000 |
São Paulo Brazil | Brazil | 1975-03-01 | 1978-10-30 | 59246 | |
Mexico City Mexico | Distrito Federal | Mexico | 1976-03-03 | 1983-12-02 | 116642 |
Comments? --Trödel 15:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
(Copied from User_talk:Bhludzin)
As a contributor to the different lists of temples, I was wondering if you could give some feedback concerning the addition several columns to the Comparison of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints page. thx --Trödel 22:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
What about a days from announcement to dedication and/or days from groundbreaking to dedication as additional colunms (I am getting more adept at the math parser functions and think this may be doable). --Trödel 15:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I setup a page to outline the standards for the data going into the temple here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Temples
It will effect this page in the following way:
Please comment on the standardization WikiProject talk page, and please edit the proposed standars where appropriate. --Trödel 00:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
The standards that are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Temples have been implemented for the first 10 temples and the new templates are used on this page.
The are also used for the Infoboxes on the individual article pages for the first 10 temples (see Salt Lake Temple for example). Please register any bugs/concerns on the talk page. Thank you --Trödel 06:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
am trying to spell out numerals 5 and 8 (after 127) (being numbers below 10) but am not able to see them after i hit 'edit' - b - betswiki (talk) 01:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
There's an article on the Far West Temple. Far West is not a community anymore and does not have a population. The LDS owns the grounds where the temple is and the COJC owns a church across the street. I'm not familiar with this table format so can't link it directly for you. Americasroof (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The index (far left column) does not sort correctly; seems ISO 8601 suggests leading zeroes are needed.DanB 23:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I have the 2011 Church Almanac in front of me with the most up-to-date information on many of the temples. Even much older temples have some clear problems like some with listed heights of no feet, so I wanted to edit this, but it does not appear the normal edit function works, how do you edit the table?John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Wow, folks, great work on this list. I have a few ideas for improvement that I want to run by the regular editors of this list.
1) There are way too many columns, way more (21!!) than any other table I've seen on the 'pedia and I've been editing here for 11 years. As a dataholic, I'm all in favor of exhaustive data, but how about we trim a few of the columns so we can, for example, see all of them without spanning two monitors? I don't know about the rest of you, but my browser (Firefox) doesn't even let me scroll over and see all the columns unless I scroll all the way to the bottom of the list. I suggest trimming these columns:
Next, I see you tried to save space by using abbreviations (e.g. "Rms (1)", "Rms (2)"), but, even though I'm an active Mormon, I have no idea what rooms these numbers are referring to. Endowment rooms? Sealing rooms? Baptism rooms? And I likewise have no idea what "Center (3)" is. The table needs a Legend somewhere with an explanation of all the cryptic abbreviations.
Lastly, how about breaking out the last seven rows into a seperate table? They don't have numbers (first column) and clash with the rest of the content. The table could exist in the same article, but could omit information that just doesn't apply to temples that don't exist. Putting them in a seperate list would also make them more prominent.
Just some suggestions, folks. I don't want to be too bold and stomp on other people's hard work. Thoughts? — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 15:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
I think groundbreaking and rededication data is interesting, and not commonly available in some other lists of temples. Groundbreakings are often performed by members of the Twelve or Seventy, and I found it interesting to note who had or had not presided at a groundbreaking. It was also interesting to note which temple groundbreakings had been presided at by a President of the Church, since that has been relatively uncommon. It helps to justify the inclusion of this list beyond the List of Temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints page. Designer is also significant. Whether food is available might not be that notable--you could also include the presence of laundry facilities, which would probably match up. That may be helpful for some for planning purposes, however. The scrolling isn't that bad, and the most traditionally significant details tend to be on the left side anyway. I would vote to not remove any of the columns. Ryan Reeder (talk) 15:25, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
The usage of templates in this article has lead to a pretty bad formatting disaster. Many of the referenced templates aren't correctly formatted and don't participate in this page constructively. Is there a centralized project or working group which has been coordinating work on the templates and their cleanup? -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:19, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
I think the metric units should be added in parenthesis in the table. This is standard on wikipedia (see for example List of tallest towers or List of tallest church buildings). OnchePower (talk) 20:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
I just finished updating the table with all temples that have been announced. But in doing so, I received the following message when editing the page:
"Warning: Post-expand include size is too large. Some templates will not be included."
Upon saving the page, many templates did not display correctly. (Specifically, the last several rows of the table, all the templates in the footnotes section, and all other templates that followed such as the portal box and navbox.) This can be seen here. I made a temporary fix here by simply adding arrows around the last several rows of the table and the navbox so that everything that does display actually displays correctly.
But that makes 22 rows in the table that are not displayed at all, and this is clearly an issue that will only get worse as the number of temples increases.
Either the table will have to be broken up (which defeats the purpose of having a sortable table with all the temples listed in it), or the amount of data included in the table will have to be reduced (meaning the number of fields/columns will have to be reduced).
Or perhaps there are other possible solutions.
Thoughts, anyone? Jdaloner (talk) 10:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Great news! I found a fix to solve the issue for this page. This may also fix the memory issue the page was having and allow navboxes, etc. More formatting is needed & label headers. Documentation for the template will need to be added with use/editing instructions.
Draft Page: Draft:Comparison of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Draft Template: Template:LDS Temple compare/sandbox2
Improvements with this new formatting include:
Feel free to do additional formatting/labeling to these draft pages.
Thanks-Dmm1169 (talk) 09:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Reference newsroom article: Temple Cafeterias Will Permanently Close in Early 2022
Remove temple cafeterias from table? -Dmm1169 (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
As you may have noticed, the original wide table was split so to get the width of the table can be seen on an average size screen (ie. midsize laptop/desktop). Because of the length of each table, I made both tables collapsible. There's a number of ways to present it. Is the arrangement of the fields sufficient or is there a better order? Was 2 tables sufficient or should it have been divided into three (ie. stats; milestones; location and design)? Because of the format of the tables, reconfiguring of these tables is relatively easy. --Dmm1169 (talk) 20:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Proposal to add rededication/open house fields and merge/remove unnecessary fields in the process. These fields may be used in infobox templates, the extended list template shown in LDS in [Country]/[State] pages, possibly the temple comparison pages, and potentially future pages. The fields cannot be added until all LDS Temple templates have it included, otherwise it will cause an error in the display. See Template talk:LDS Temple#New fields, removing unnecessary fields for discussion. -- Dmm1169 (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)