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Hi,
Just noticed the Fixed wing aircraft vs. Aeroplane/Airplane controversy, and the several proposals to move this article to one of these. I'm not going to get into the British vs. American English debate, but rather to propose that we split off some of the present content to one of them.
I'd say that the current focus is not quite right: the treatment of powered types is too dominant, with insufficient attention paid to unpowered types. For example most of the propulsion section would be better split off from the general discussion, while other areas focus on the "typical" fixed wing aircraft as a euphemism for the typical powered type - the controls and instruments described are certainly not typical of hang gliders or kites. Rather, quite a few of them do apply to the typical powered rotorcraft - as does much of the section on structure (rotorcraft have a fuselage while, flying wings, hang gliders and kites do not). And I can see other areas with an uncomfortable amount of focus on the typical powered type. The inclusion of all this biased material noticeably distorts the focus of the article.
Also it is clear, from the recurring efforts over recent years by a significant number of contributors to move this article, that the status quo is not satisfactory and something needs to be done.
So I'd suggest we resurrect one of the Aeroplane/Airplane articles as the more appropriate home for the relevant details. There have been at least two attempts over recent years to move this article - and plenty of folks have disagreed. Many of those "no" votes have been based on the need for an article with the present title, but that argument does not prohibit a second one with a different focus.
There would inevitably be some duplication of subject matter between articles, but that is fine as long as each article holds up as well constructed in its own right.
Further improvement can also be made by moving other bits to existing articles, for example much of the discussion on structure rightly belongs in the Airframe article, and in any case Aircraft structures should redirect there rather than here. Biut I don't think that kind of thing needs the heavy proposal/voting treatment, so here I am focusing on the principle of how best to present material focusing on the popular terms "Aeroplane" and "Airplane".
I am not "up" enough in wikiquette to know exactly how to make such a proposal, so I apologise if have done it the wrong way or in the wrong place. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 11:37, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
OK, over the last month this article has been reorganised and tidied up to create a more logical structure. As a result the material dedicated to aeroplanes now takes up about 80% of it, with the core subject matter split between top and bottom of an excessively long article. I think this amply illustrates the need to split off an aeroplane article (as opposed to the move already voted down twice). So I should now like to push this proposal forward.
I vote for a split. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 11:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Aeroplane/Airplane need a separate article with the current article being overhauled to have equal focus on all types of fixed wing aircraft, the new article should be called 'Aeroplane/Airplane' to keep both sides of the Atlantic happy! I would prefer aeroplane (youv'e got aero engine, aerospace engineering, aerodrome and aeronatical engineering) but as long as both terms are equally represented it is fine (Fdsdh1 (talk) 14:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC))
I can honestly not see why aeroplane/airplane was renamed to this in the first place. They are two related but distinct concepts for starters. The only way I can describe this situation is that by desperately trying to not offend half the world's population, we ended up confusing everybody. A split is definitely in order. A great article on aero/airplane was deleted (okay, the article was technically redirected but the content was essentially deleted), and I for one think it should be brought back.--Coin945 (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Discussion moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft#Airplane
I would be very grateful for more insights (descriptions, sections, 3D-graphics) into modern structural solutions for fuselages, wings and steering elements, including joining techniques!!! how are forces delt with und how is the main transversal bending force of wings conducted through the fuselage? a major problem of any aircraft-design! so please dedicate not just a little space to this topic! people want to learn how to construct airplanes and inspire themselves (not just the model-builders)! thanx a lot in advance! --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 19:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The two early aviation pioneers, were excluded by somebody for no reason. Together with Santos-Dumont, the two performed short flights in the interval March - September 1906. Santos made a 4-7 meters flight on September 13, 1906 which was described in detail by French scientific journal L'Aerophile as a great achievement and epochal event. I see no reason to hide the other two inventors. It would be unfair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.160.23 (talk) 01:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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